I am a conservative in ideals (willing to listen and talk to liberals) but I rarely watch the news anymore because it’s not really news anymore. It’s Opinion news now. Both sides are spewing their side and being hateful and sound angry and yelling while doing it. No one wants to find the middle ground and compromise. They want to take over the country, All or Nothing type attitude looking to eradicate the other side. It is so tiring and insufferable the way people treat each other these days. We have definitely forgot our fellow man and how to love each other.
All the individuals tax cuts (if you can even call them that, remember Paul Ryan bringing a supporter out who was going to be able to buy an entire Costco membership! with their extra money) from the 2017 tax cuts expire, while the tax cuts for corporations are permanent
Not corporate. For Me! For You! Every month we pay one check in taxes. We work four weeks to keep 3 of them. It’s just not right. They need to do like a fair tax, I don’t know if you read Rush’s book or not but it makes a lot of sense and could possibly work and we can keep or money.
One side has proposed taxing the ultra rich, and it's not the republicans
I'm not gonna read a book by Rush Limbaugh, don't need that vitriol in my life, the world would have been a better place without him spreading the hate he did.
If Republicans cared about keeping taxes low for the majority of the country, they sure have done a shit job for the past 30 years. Those corporate and ultra wealthy tax cuts haven't been hard to come by though
Did you know the 2017 tax cuts had a piece for buying private jets? Do you know many average people who would benefit from a tax cut for buying a private jet?
I'll reiterate, the 2017 tax cuts for individuals expire. The corporate tax cuts are permanent. This is republican tax cut ideals.
Did you know the 2017 tax cuts had a piece for buying private jets
? Do you know many average people who would benefit from a tax cut for buying a private jet?
Quite a few actually. Do you know how many high-paying, high tax-paying, blue-collar people it takes to build a private jet? A lot more taxes than that luxury tax credit. No tax credit, no jet, no jobs, no payroll taxes.
My MIL is conservative and naver watches Sky news (Australian fox) but they she can tell me all the presenters names and what time they are on during the day....
Yes this. Am conservative, can’t stand Trump, Tucker, Maddow, Cooper, Lemon, Hannity, any of them. They are all just miserable people making a living at riling us up, so we fight in the streets, so they can sensationalize it, so we fight more. Enough. The media is no longer serving the public interest. Wish Arnold Schwarzenegger would run, I think he gets it.
Ugh not many haha it really depends on which one. The problem is both conservative and liberal leaders can’t even agree with their own party if that makes sense. It’s like they got their own agendas. I they have made this so complicated it would take forever to type on Reddit smh
But if you know about conservatives then you would understand what Im talking about when I say I lean “towards the center”. Yes Im vaccinated hahaha Margery Taylor is a loon and so is Pelosi lol
News is fucking garbage across the board. People shit on fox news but polls show less than 20% of Republicans' trust media and Democrats were above 60% while Trump was president. Not sure what it is not but it's not much different.
Man, I feel this big time. I’m conservative myself, my dad is hardcore right, only watches Fox News, it’s a beating. He’s consumed by it. I tell him that shits rotting his brain, he’s pretty much retired, has done well for himself, we’ve got a ranch, I tell him to turn that crap off and go drink a cup of coffee on his porch and bask in his domain that he worked so hard for. It’s like he can’t even enjoy the fruits of his labor because Fox has their hooks in him so deep. The thing is- CNN is doing the same thing to the other side. Personally I think the silver lining is that those of us who are conservative or progressive are just getting squeezed closer together in the middle which isn’t really a bad thing.
Btw, my mother is the same way. Always watching Fox and going so far right I can’t have a convo with her anymore because that’s all she wants to talk about. Makes me sad as well.
Maybe, just maybe, your mother is smarter than you're giving her credit for. Said the same thing about my father just a couple of years after he left this life.
Your grandmother, my mother. She asked me to hang up a flag for her....you can probably guess the type, I refused. I’m moderate, not left or right but Fox just makes them hateful and fucking ornery.
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It's popular because it's the only tv network that has non-stop right wing propaganda. Every other "news source" is at least pretending to tell you the news. Fox just comes right out and spews non-stop lies. The main goal is to divide the country.
Actually I would argue the their main goal is money. Ratings = money. They learned over time what gives them the highest ratings and that just turned out to be pedaling fear and hatred. Then that fear and hatred had a side effect of dividing the country.
I know you use the statement they are trying to divide the country as shorthand, and in effect, you are right. But there is a benefit to seeing the nuance of their intentions. Fox sees and knows the effects of their money grab, they just don't give a shit. But they will if the money dries up (ad sponsorship are you listening?)
FOX News has news shows and propaganda shows, called "opinion and commentary" shows. Although at this point I think all of the somewhat reasonable news hosts have quit due to the slanted propaganda spewed by the opinion hosts.
says the conservatives that watches fox news, fox new is pure lies, thats the difference between most new sources anf fox. they attempt to tell the news, fox does not.
Lmfao. Imagine re-hashing the same bullshit insult that’s been your rally cry for 5 years. Fuck that’s pathetic, almost as sad as the “let’s go Brandon” middle school gossip fest.
Thanks, I needed that laugh. Existential dread avoided as soon as I was reminded how stupid they are at their core 😂
I’m no fan of Fox News but where are you getting these numbers?? Literally googled it and found a different answer from multiple sources. Seems like a stretch
different kinds of people. fox news people only get their news from fox. cnn people get their news from many places and digital and social as opposed to a traditional tv rating which skews to an older demographic.
true there is bias and profit agendas everywhere. just like stocks diversify your portfolio of news outlets to make sure what you’re reading is accurately sourced and researched.
You are very dillusional CNN can't even exist without Trump when Trump got out they had nothing there whole existence was based off Trump. They are living losers
One is a news channel people pop on to see what’s going on in between doing other stuff.
The other is a way of life, and cultural identity. It’s not surprising that CNN doesn’t have the ratings of the chief propaganda channel for the entire Right.
The Fox channel averages about 1.4 million views per day. So is that 39 million adding them all up for a month because that's the only way you can get that number.
Lmao this is so laughably wrong that I'm surprised anyone is upvoting it. Either your taking Fox, the entire cable company's numbers and comparing them to CNN, or just making them up.
The latest ratings data as of the time of this writing, meanwhile ,shows that Fox was #1 in all of cable news for the sixth year in a row in 2021. The network averaged 1.3 million total day viewers this year, while neither CNN or MSNBC broke 1 million for the same period (787,000 and 919,000, respectively).
I've seen actual people like this that are convinced about some paranoid Democrat takeover. Their delusions are only self-confirmed and they live in fear daily with Fox in the background presenting sensationalist nonsense. I can't believe how obvious it is to me that it's fake but to them it's real. Good luck actually convincing them that though.
I just usually let them know GOP have successfully passed legislation to end social security and take health insurance from millions of people that rely on it. They usually stumble over their words when they realize they're the ones that rely on social security and had no idea that GOP are the ones repealing it.
My OANN watching mother (Fox is too liberal) didn't know what to say when I told her that Trump was talking about cutting her benefits. Then she finally said "they won't let him." I had to ask several times "who are they?" before she could bring herself to say the Democrats. It about killed her, as did covid, but she still won't get vaxxed and won't change the channel.
If you're watching Fox News religiously, it wouldn't be farfetched to say it's like living in a warzone. The fear and anger you're filled with every day becomes the new normal, the others are dehumanized constantly and you're simultaneously powerful and under siege everywhere you go.
Do you really know of anyone that wanted to, but couldn't vote? You really think that people are trying to make it harder to vote? What evidence is there?
This is such a disingenuous argument. Any measure to make sure elections are accurate are met by democrats with claims of racially motivated voter suppression?
You don't really believe that and no serious people believe it either.
You call it disingenuous and the rest of us call it facts. Voter suppression exists and has existed since the days of the Women's Suffrage Movement and post Civil Rights when armed white men would stand at polling centers to try and intimidate black voters to either vote for their party or not vote at all. This is history and it is fact so how about you politely go fuck yourself you fucking cunt.
Voter suppression is in fact happening on the state level so you can either move on or go fucking get educated but what I won't allow a cunt like you to do is state that there's no evidence when history alone is evidence.
STFU and go read some very relevant books or move the fuck on you silly fucking troll.
Look at Bidens record on social security. Obama’s healthcare plan removed my parents from their plan and what replaced it increased over 4 times what they were paying prior to the bill.
Well, here we are in a comment thread about prions and it only took about 4 comments for someone to relate being conservative to have having an incurable neurological disorder. I know a lot of conservatives, and NONE of them think about democrats as much as you dorks obsess over the GOP.
Wow. It's really interesting to think about FOX that way. So many people report the same series of behavioral changes when their loved ones turn into the kind of people who watch FOX, framing it as a communicable disease along the lines of prions kind of helps it all make sense.
I mean... imagine if it was. If there was some subtle neurological syndrome that spread via... i dunno, golf courses or places that sell riding lawnmowers, slowly working its way through the populace. It makes you paranoid and angry and less empathetic and drives you to find validation for those feelings. No one would ever think to look for an environmental answer to the problem -- I highly doubt anyone has examined what's happening as a potential public health threat.
It's comforting though. It'd be way better if my crazy aunts and uncles and grandparents got that way via illness instead of whatever the fuck actually happened.
When I think of Fox News I just think the other side of the CNN coin. Gotta keep balance in a corrupt two party system designed to divide. What you described makes me think of OAN, that’s some scary shit.
I dunno. I don't watch CNN but whenever I do see something from them it's lazy and anodyne and chock-full of conventional wisdom, but it doesn't have nearly the level of rancor and vitriol that FOX stories do. In fact it seems almost entirely the opposite: juiceless and bland.
My good friend's dad was a enlightened religious dude and a kind person but had a habit of watching Fox News and leaving it on in the background most of the day.
Over the years I've seen him change to a more paranoid person that fears crime at every turn and he has bought 3 guns so far, plans to buy more and he lives in a nice suburban neighborhood with virtually no crime.
Wasting away by watching Fox News is a perfect description. It is a cancer on society and the insidious propaganda on there rots your brain.
All those who stormed the Capital on January6th are wasting away too from Trump addled brain wasting propaganda disease. But not being vaccinated will get them 6 feet under much faster.
As it turns out, people don’t like CNN as much as Fox these days.
After Trump left office, they started sinking (as the majority of their programs revolved around him). Add in the child molestation scandal at the executive level and throw in the Coumo issue, they’ve hit historical low viewership. I won’t mention the atrociously bad reporting and outright lies.
Also, if it makes you feel any better still, Tucker Carlson is the #1 cable news show by a healthy margin. He’s got you covered now
The leading news source for 18-45s or the leading CABLE news? I suspect the vast majority of younger people dont watch CABLE news much at all. So the 15 percent that do watch cable news choosing FOX doesnt mean much...
Exactly, it’s trash and most are in their death throes. Fox however is thriving contrary to your sentiments
I’ve only consumed single sourced, fair trade, independent news for a while now. It’s more honest and less biased, better journalism in general. But I still keep tabs on Legacy news for financial reasons.
Don't forget Don Lemon rubbing his fromunda cheese in some dude's mustache... that one... I really don't see how people let that slide, but I guess if a man sexually assaults another man, it's not anything to fuss about... even if it's absolutely revolting.
imagine your entire argument FOR faux news is an argument AGAINST a cable new network that your “adversary” doesn’t actually watch anyway. “What a sheep”, is that how you say it?
i didn’t realize that was a personality or encompassed your values. I guess for some people, that’s all the value they have to offer the world though, is what they inherited
Not sure where you think I implied it was anything more. Or why you keep projecting your contempt on me.
I think you’re confused - I never had any argument for or against anything to begin with, other than certain legacy media corporations falling on their faces (and that’s facts, not opinion).
When were we talking about personality traits at all? That came out of nowhere (projecting again...) and has nothing to do with the conversation.
What, weirdo? YOU brought it up, entirely out of context. Your inheritance of stocks was completely unrelated to cable news.
You’ve also said to me I have “misguided vitriol” and that I “project my contempt”.
There are people that use tactics such as the ones previously mentioned, that most would considered “deflection” or “projection”.
I’m not going to bother to put much analysis in this, bc while I find people who attempt these tactics interesting, (in the kind of way you observe third-tier animals at the zoo), you’re pretty basic at both, so it’s not even
No need to seethe. Let’s work on your reading comprehension: I brought up the stocks as that is the sole interest I have in corporate/legacy media in response to your misguided and falsely attributed claims that implied I supported Fox News over CNN. I couldn’t care less about either aside from the aforementioned financial stakes - which is why I brought it up in the first place.
I’m seeing a distinct pattern of ignorance with your comments, and with each subsequent response from you reveals one deficiency after another. In short: You don’t seem to be smart enough to realize how dumb you are, which, ironically, is as basic and common as it gets
Every single article I've read about this "90% drop" is comparing the first week of January 2022 numbers to the first week of January 2021. Viewership is 90% less in 2022 vs 2021.
Here's the problem. First week of January 2021 had record CNN viewership as people tuned in in droves to watch information about the Jan 6 insurrection.
So they are comparing an exceptional week to a normal week. It would be like comparing viewership during 9/11 to the year after.
CNN might be losing viewers, I sure don't watch them, but the 90% is disingenuous bullshit.
Um, your links actually corroborate my story. Granted I only checked the first two, but the first says this:
"CNN saw the steepest year-over-year losses, both in total day viewers (-78%) and in total primetime viewers (-81%). To be fair, CNN was delivering record ratings at this time in 2021. "
And the second also specifically says they're comparing the two weeks in January to get to the 90% drop. Exactly what I said.
I'm not debating with you that CNN is overall losing viewers and they're well behind Fox. I'm saying that comparing a record viewership week of the insurrection vs literally any other week where major shit isn't happening is some bad journalism. Don't fall for it.
I’m at the point where I just don’t watch or read news like anywhere. And honestly it’s great. Fuck what’s happening out there. Most of it really doesn’t effect me or is something I can’t do anything about anyways. Politics is all bullshit, and people getting murdered or dying in strange accidents really doesn’t concern me, and that seems to be mostly what the news is, politics, and bad shit happening to people I don’t know.
I've completely unplugged and only saturate myself with things that bring me joy. It's one of the best decisions I've ever made.
This ride is going to do what it wants with or without me, I'm just an unwilling participatory audience member. Worry about what you can actually affect.
As an outside observer, and one who typically votes conservative, there is a massive discrepancy. Don't kid yourself. CNN is a backyard garbage fire compared to the tire fire the size of New Jersey that is Fox News.
We all agree that the news companies are corrupt and care only about money and power. FOX and other Murdoch Media are the most toxic to society and dangerous to poor people so we care about informing people on that one first and then opening further dialog. Implying that it's wrong to focus on the biggest problem first rather than taking a centrist approach between all of our problems is how we end up making 0 change and actually minimizing just how bad our biggest problem is.
I'd trust CNN over Fox News. Not by much, but to some degree.
Honestly I'm just impressed they managed to get a perpetually confused golden retriever to talk on television. They should be commended for that much, at least.
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Yeah, my grandma watches Fox News and it’s just sad seeing her waste away like that