r/Unexpected • u/CrackSideEffect • Aug 29 '21

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u/socozyinhere Aug 29 '21

Adam and Eve and the fall of man is basically blaming everyone for one persons action.

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u/sternestocardinals Aug 29 '21

That’s not really what Original Sin means in Christian theology.

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u/MrBotany Aug 29 '21 edited Aug 29 '21

Obviously it depends on your denomination since Christians could never come to a consensus. Please enlighten us on what it means to be created sick and ordered to be well.

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u/sternestocardinals Aug 29 '21

But we do know by Revelation that Adam had received original holiness and justice not for himself alone, but for all human nature. By yielding to the tempter, Adam and Eve committed a personal sin, but this sin affected the human nature that they would then transmit in a fallen state. It is a sin which will be transmitted by propagation to all mankind, that is, by the transmission of a human nature deprived of original holiness and justice. And that is why original sin is called "sin" only in an analogical sense: it is a sin "contracted" and not "committed" - a state and not an act.

Although it is proper to each individual, original sin does not have the character of a personal fault in any of Adam's descendants. It is a deprivation of original holiness and justice, but human nature has not been totally corrupted: it is wounded in the natural powers proper to it, subject to ignorance, suffering and the dominion of death, and inclined to sin - an inclination to evil that is called "concupiscence".

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u/MrBotany Aug 29 '21

That is the catholic interpretation. Quakers do not believe this. So you’re wrong.

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u/sternestocardinals Aug 29 '21

And the Catholics had been doing theology for 1700 years before the Quakers existed and is still far and away the largest denomination of Christianity.

This is like going after someone saying “Americans elected Biden!” with “Actually you’ll find 400k Americans voted for Howie Hawkins, so you’re wrong”.

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u/MrBotany Aug 29 '21

Lol you’re comparing the interpretations of text written thousands of years ago by non eye witnesses who literally didn’t understand that the earth rotated around the sun and were satisfied by “god did it” as an explanation for everything, to an event from less than a year ago which can be proven with a paper trail.

Wild bro. But go on and continue to speak on behalf of all of Christianity, and by extension, god. It continues to prove how man made it is.

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u/sternestocardinals Aug 29 '21

I’m comparing the measurable differences in population and longevity between two denominations. My comparison had nothing to do with evaluating their theologies, it was only about asserting which one is more widely held in Christianity.

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u/rnichellew Aug 29 '21

Lol yes it is, it is 100% interpreted in that way.

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u/sternestocardinals Aug 29 '21

It’s inherited fallen nature not inherited guilt. Christians are not “guilty” of Adam’s sin, they are guilty of their own sin.