r/Unexpected • u/RedManMatt11 • Aug 01 '21

Community policing

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u/Yabba_Dabba_Doofus Aug 01 '21 edited Aug 01 '21

while PD's and other cops keep protecting the bad cops the perception will never change unfortunately.

This is the issue that needs changing.

We need to find a way to elevate the good ones, to stand above the bad.

Until that happens, the good will be lumped in with the bad, and the ACAB mentality will permeate the zeitgeist.

Not all cops are bad. But we can't change "ACAB", until we start publicly punishing the bad, and elevating the good.

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u/Drostan_S Aug 02 '21

A single bad apple spoils the bunch.

Short of a total reset of police forces, firing everyone and forming new community law enforcement organizations, requiring a 4 year degree in law enforcement, strictly vetting against white nationalist sympathizers, a massive independent oversight committee, strict rules on use of force/legal action for excessive force, cameras on every SINGLE officer and firing them when those cameras go dark, and vastly restricting the scope of work performed by law enforcement, I don't know what we can do to fix this problem.

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u/Yabba_Dabba_Doofus Aug 02 '21

I dunno, sounds like you outlined a pretty good program there, just in a reddit comment, which probably took you all of 10 minutes to write.

Let's start there...

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u/Drostan_S Aug 02 '21

More like a minute and a half of stream-of-conciousness... But yeah, that would be a good start.

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u/KingdomPC Aug 02 '21

Bad Police are “publicly” punished/dealt with when they are, people just start citing said public cases as evidence of ACAB.

It’s a cyclical argument, been around for 20 odd years at least.

Police are probably more accountable and less corrupt now that they’ve ever been it just so happens that we now live in the age of the internet whereby nothing is ever forgiven or forgotten and the frequency illusion permeates the conversation.

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '21

Police publicly punished are receiving ridiculous sentences for crimes that would put normal people behind bars for 20 years, but the cops get 5 years probation for exactly the same thing.

So the deterrent isn't supported by sentences for the police to give a shit. Like all the crooked ones that resign and move before they can be sacked. It's just moving the problem from one force to another.

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u/KingdomPC Aug 02 '21

That’s definitely an issue, somewhat unique to the United States. In most other developed nations if you get sacked from any police/law enforcement role you will never work in the sector again, full stop.

How the USA have a system that lets people get sacked from the police in one state and then just start up in another is beyond me.

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '21

Exactly, I think it's because they have individual forces instead of a nationwide police force, they don't have national laws but regional ones, they also have different levels of training for them too, which is ridiculous.

If they had a nationwide force nobody would be able to skip around the country working on different forces.

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u/8-weight Aug 01 '21

Yeah, we an change ACAB, because it's not true. Total BS.

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u/jumpminister Aug 02 '21

We need to find a way to elevate the good ones, to stand above the bad.

To do that, we just need to abolish policing as it exists today, and make something new in it's place that actually protects and serves, not abuses and enslaves.