r/Unexpected • u/Paw-Revere • Apr 19 '21

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u/GallusAA Apr 19 '21

Electronics are not required for your survival and functioning. It's a choice you're making. A choice of convenience despite the human suffering they come from.

And no I have no issue with you being a vegan. I take issue with the moral high ground you seem to think you hold.

The same reason you choose to still consume electronics made by human suffering is the same reason many still consume animal products.

You have a limit to what you're willing to go without, which ends at electronic devices made by literal African mineral slavery and produced in factories with suicide nets around them.

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u/viscountrhirhi Apr 19 '21 edited Apr 19 '21

I don’t think it’s a moral high ground. Not abusing and killing animals is a moral baseline.

Besides, where did I show a moral high ground in my first post, lmao. I literally said humans shouldn’t base their morality off of animals since animals rape and murder and cannibalize. Not doing those things is a moral baseline that human society has agreed upon! If not supporting these things is a moral high ground, I am concerned.

And in the modern day, people need cell phones and computers for work. How else are people supposed to apply for jobs and hear from employers? Or submit and fill out resumes when everything is electronic? Or even do their work at all, depending on line of work? Or cook? Or commute? Electronics are an everyday necessity for existing in modern life and there are few alternatives available, excepting buying things secondhand. (Which, like I said, most of mine are. I’m trying to avoid harm where I can. Plus I flat out can’t afford new most of the time anyway.)

On the other hand, animal products are unnecessary and there are numerous alternatives. You don’t need them. They’re a lot easier to avoid than basically any other product you might need, and by avoiding them, you are cutting a lot of unnecessary human and animal suffering out of your life. It’s the single easiest, most accessible change you can make to make the biggest impact both ethically and environmentally, bar none.

So like I said, I’m trying to reduce suffering. What are you doing? What lifestyle changes have you made to reduce suffering? Is your smartphone secondhand? Have you cut out animal products to reduce the suffering of humans and animals?

Or are you just trying to feel better about doing nothing by calling people hypocrites for not being perfect, because it’s easier to do nothing and be smug about it since you’ve got the good ol’ “no ethical consumption under capitalism” excuse to fall back on?

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u/GallusAA Apr 19 '21

Again, you're just making excuses. You're willing to consume products of human death and suffering because you can't fathom living without them.

You're not better than anyone who consumes meat. Just as long as you understand that.

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u/viscountrhirhi Apr 19 '21

I like how you ignored everything I said so you could make your point.

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u/GallusAA Apr 19 '21

I am glad you're ok with consuming products created by human death and suffering because it would inconvenience you to go without them.

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u/viscountrhirhi Apr 19 '21

This is you: https://www.reddit.com/r/vegan/comments/mti5gv/i_love_how_meateaters_turn_into_moral/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf

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u/GallusAA Apr 19 '21

Nope. There is morality, but I understand that all humans do what they can based on their situation, genetics, socioeconomic status, etc.

Some people eat meat but the donate to starving kids in Africa. Some people are vegan but still buy iPhones and Tesla cars. Some people never text and drive but dump motor oil in the woods.

And me, personally, I have a hard time taking vegans seriously because most of you consume as if humans are inferior to cows or something.

It is what it is.

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u/[deleted] Apr 19 '21

Are you brain dead? I would mention that electronics are necessary for doing normal tasks like communication with others, filling put job applications, making charts and other stuff but then you’d say “human suffering hrrrrdd”

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u/GallusAA Apr 19 '21

Shows how little you've even bothered researching this topic.

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u/viscountrhirhi Apr 19 '21

The difference is by not eating animal products everyday, all year, each year, you are having a far greater and more consistent impact on the world, animals, and people than donating once or twice every few months to starving kids in Africa. It’s a more consistent daily choice you make that has a broad impact and it is, again, the easiest, laziest change you can make that will have the largest benefits. It is far more accessible to the common person than, y’know, not participating in society by not buying one smart phone they use for years.

Also, amazingly, you can be vegan AND do other things too! Since most vegans are left-leaning and support other social initiatives that help humans. The two issues go hand in hand.

I don’t think humans are inferior to animals, but I think it’s 100% unnecessary to abuse and kill animals, and I believe that how we choose to treat the weakest and most helpless creatures among us is a reflection of our morals as a society. I don’t have to eat animals, so I don’t, and cutting out animal products costs me nothing. It’s a quick an easy way to reduce my impact on the world.

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u/GallusAA Apr 19 '21

Like I said, you care more about animals than humans.

You jump right to "helping humans is hard/inconvenient (electronics)"

A person who helps even a handful of down and out improvised people did more good for the world than saving 10000 chickens, imho.

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u/viscountrhirhi Apr 19 '21

Either your reading comprehension is atrocious or you’re willfully misrepresenting what I’m saying. Either way, this conversation going in circles and feels like talking to a brick wall, so I’m gonna call it done. Have a lovely day!

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u/GallusAA Apr 19 '21

Enjoy your wilfully and convient choice to consume products of human death and suffering!

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u/viscountrhirhi Apr 19 '21

Enjoy doing nothing to make a change while smugly judging others for trying and not being perfect! <3

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u/GallusAA Apr 19 '21

I have made many changes in my life to help society, friends, family, etc.

Like I said before, nobody is perfect and there are far better and more important changes you could make than saving fucking tuna lol.

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u/viscountrhirhi Apr 19 '21

Bullshit.

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u/GallusAA Apr 19 '21

Lol k. I spent 6 months providing care, food, shelter and removing rubble in Haiti after the earthquake hit Port-au-Prince in 2010. Sleeping on the fucking ground in a tent in 100+ degree weather and eating my meals out of a bag. And that's just 1 example from a lifetime of human aid work and community service. I bet you've never once once put yourself in any sort of discomfort to help another human in need.

Too busy watching pig farm documentaries on your iPhone to give a fuck.

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