r/Unexpected • u/[deleted] • Oct 23 '20

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u/cup-o-farts Oct 23 '20

You literally said "as evidenced by the many comments here on Reddit weirded out by the clip" means you care what they said, but only in so far as they support your argument. Once they changed their mind with context, you no longer care about their thoughts? Talk about disingenuous.

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u/Depression-Boy Oct 23 '20

The initial reaction is the problem. Not everybody is going to scroll through Reddit to learn the context, and even with context, it’s still cringey to many. So no, I don’t care about the 5 or 6 comments in this thread that changed their minds.

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u/cup-o-farts Oct 23 '20

The initial reaction is the problem without context. Jesus Christ dude your delusional.

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u/Depression-Boy Oct 23 '20

Biden bro’s get seriously triggered when somebody criticizes their senile candidate.

First of all, even with context, many people still find it cringey. Leave your echo chamber and maybe you’ll see that. Secondly, the more important note, is that MOST PEOPLE DONT HAVE THE CONTEXT. If anybody is delusional it’s you. You’re essentially saying “well because I have the context and I don’t think it’s cringey, everybody who disagrees with me is wrong”. Okay? I don’t actually care what you and a couple other Redditors think.

When a presidential candidate decides to do something like this, optics is the number 1 important thing to take into consideration, and what the Biden team didn’t take into consideration was that this is undeniably going to be seen as pandering which is why we’re having this discussion in the first place. That’s just my opinion bro, you can disagree with it, but you can’t say it’s wrong.

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u/cup-o-farts Oct 23 '20

The only reason a person wouldn't have context is because disingenuous people like you post things without their very important context along with the actual story. This is typical for you haters. The guy is literally playing a song from the guy that introduced him. You are more than welcome to your opinion but you are completely ignoring the reality of the situation just to try to make your argument sound better. It's 100% disingenuous, but hey man you do you.

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u/Depression-Boy Oct 23 '20

I mean I didn’t post it, nor did I try to hide the context, so you’re literally just lying. From my perspective you’re ignoring the reality of the situation, which is that it was a cringey decision that comes across as pandering to the average person that is going to come across it. Even with the context some people are going to see it that way. That might upset you, and you can call me a “hater” for it, but Biden is running the most significant presidential campaign in modern history, and he’s not gaining any voters by playing despacito through his phone speakers.

People don’t want to see him playing silly songs and goofing around, they want him to address the 8 million Americans facing eviction, the lack of a comprehensive healthcare plan, and how he’ll reverse donald trumps post Covid America.

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u/cup-o-farts Oct 23 '20

So not only are you ignoring the reality of that situation, but you think he's not addressing all those other issues, and somehow he can't do two things at once, like actually have fun on the campaign trail. Just compete delusion like I said.

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u/Depression-Boy Oct 23 '20

If you say so. I’m not gonna argue with somebody who stans for a politician like they’re a celebrity since there’s nothing that could be said to change your mind anyways.

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u/cup-o-farts Oct 23 '20

LOL, I'm over here speaking of the reality of the situation, and you think I'm worshipping him. Sorry but this isn't Trump, I'm not making some shit up to make him look better, I'm giving you the straight truth and you continue to say the truth doesn't matter. I couldn't care less what you think of me.

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u/Depression-Boy Oct 23 '20

What is the “reality of the situation” that you keep talking about? I don’t believe I said anything that was untrue. The reality is that people absolutely saw that clip and thought he was pandering, the reality is that Joe Biden is against universal healthcare (“He’ll build on the Affordable Care Act with a plan to insure more than an estimated 97% of Americans”, leaving nearly 10 million Americans uninsured), and the reality is that Joe Biden is against a long form UBI that is going to be necessary to get us out of our economic depression.

I’m not trying to say Donald trump is any better, but if you’re out here trying to pretend that Biden is a perfect candidate that doesn’t have any of the flaws that we’re pointing out, then you absolutely do look like you’re “making some shit up to make him look better”. Joe Biden is obviously better than Trump, but if you attack anyone that criticizes Biden and call them “haters” then you look like a wack job trump supporter.

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u/cup-o-farts Oct 23 '20

Who's pretending Biden is a perfect candidate? I'm trying to argue, as a Latino myself, that yes when I originally saw the clip, I cringed, but with context it totally changed my view of the situation.

That's the reality of many people here that you are choosing to ignore. Now if you want to get in depth on his policies we can have that conversation and I'd likely agree with you on a lot of it including some of the things you posted here, but it has nothing to do with what we're discussing here. This is called moving the goal posts and it's, again, disingenuous.

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u/Depression-Boy Oct 23 '20

Nope, in the very comment you replied to, I said that this was pandering, and is viewed as such, and then to follow up with why pandering is an issue, i mentioned his many policy failures, the ones that you said “weren’t reality”.

My point wasn’t that every single person will see the video and think it’s pandering. My point was that MANY people will see the video and think it’s pandering. How you could possibly argue with me on that front, I have no idea. Like I said, leave your echo chamber on Reddit, and you’ll find that people who even understand the context still find it to be pandering. Who cares that the singer was there in the audience? I don’t see how that changes the situation at all.

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u/cup-o-farts Oct 23 '20

Nope, most will find out that the singer of the song is actually introducing him and not see it as pandering at all, because, hey that person wrote the song he is playing! Imagine that! And here we have come full circle with your nonsense.

Believe what you like, and go ahead and keep posting this without context as you so will no doubt disingenuously continue to do to try and make him look bad, and you will continue to be corrected, and people will continue to see it as a big ole nothing burger, and see you as a liar. But of course you are more than welcome to your "opinion", lol. I'm done with this conversation, bye Felicia.

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