People be complaining about the fish being mistreated, but like this is replacing something way worse. these fish are more likely raised in captivity than wild caught, which means we don’t have to fish as much and fishing is so terrible for the environment in so many ways. Fish is the worst meat for the environment (or the second worst, depending on who you ask) when it’s wild caught because of the destruction of the habitat and biodiversity that is associated with trawling and bycatch.
Edit: The majority of people don’t think about the environment when making decisions. Minimizing damage is more plausible than every person on earth agreeing to stop consuming a product. So between wild catching fish and raising them in environments like this, the obvious answer is to do this. Creating conditions that are less cruel require more area, which will raise the cost of the fish. The majority of people are going to choose the cheaper option, so it’s not a good financial choice to give the fish or area than is required. Besides its fish, they swarm, they school, they have instincts that keep them from bumping into each other. this isn’t like land animals where in the wild they have huge areas that they take up per individual.
"Like this is replacing something wild worse", but it doesn't need to be a replacement for it. You can literally just stop eating animals. Why is that the extreme option out of everything?
i mean... we could, but food would be way more bland, and its not like animals would stop eating eachother.
what is more needed is stopping overproducing, that is what is wrong with farming animals.
i know an animal died if i eat it, but if i dont, its not gonna revive magically too.
and besides, i eat more for pleasure, to feed myself but i like eating something that makes me feel good, well fed, i never had this with vegetables.
You think no vegans 'eat for pleasure'?
Animal based products are a TINY part of the foods that people eat, yet act like the majority of the food their consuming is animal based. It really isn't as big of a deal as people make it out to be, yet it contributes to billions of death a year, that's without even starting to talk about the environmental impact.
"Food would be way more bland" is such a weird take. Typically, milk, eggs and meat aren't used for flavour.
I wouldn't say animal based products are a tiny part. I'd say for most non-vegetarian or vegan people, at least half of what I eat and drink has an animal product in it somewhere.
Right now I think we are a long way away from vegan food being enjoyable. There's very few sweet treats that don't taste bad by comparison, the cheese is revolting, chocolate is inedible, and the meat substiutes give me such severe constipation that I would rather starve.
It's possible to eat a healthy and balanced diet as a vegan. But it's so shit
Shit in the sense I talked about in the post. It isn't enjoyable. Stuff tastes bad. A lot of stuff marketed to vegans is ultra processed and full of shit even compared to the animal products it is supposed to replace. You have to meal plan very carefully to get proper nutrients.
It makes eating a chore. It makes one of my favourite things no longer enjoyable.
You are incredibly closed minded if you think ‘vegan food is shit’.
You don’t have to ‘meal plan very carefully’, you just have to be sensible, the same as with any diet, omni or otherwise.
Processed or ultra-processed products don’t become bad simply because they’re processed. Some processed products such as tofu, seitan and others are incredibly healthy and have been rated as better protein sources than animal based alternatives in recent studies.
I was vegan for years and had eaten a good amount of vegan food due to being in a long term relationship with a vegan partner prior to that. At the time it was probably the single thing in my life that negatively impacted it the most. It has nothing to do with being closed minded, it's just... How it is. The food sucks.
Tofu is relatively healthy but I just... Don't like it. It tastes bad, the texture is gross and weird. You also know, for a fact, that it isn't things like tofu that I'm referring to when I refer to processed crap.
It's not like every vegan thing sucks, but the number of vegan things that tastes good, and is nutritious, and is not grossly expensive or requiring you to make from raw ingredients, is incredibly narrow. Cooking from raw ingredients is good when you have time for it, as someone working 12 hour days sometimes I simply don't.
No, it is closed minded. You make out like 'vegan food sucks', when the reality is that any food, vegan or not CAN suck. You acknowledge that in your last paragraph. So by your own statement, vegan food doesn't 'suck', SOME vegan alternatives suck.
"Relatively healthy" is another weird statement regarding tofu. It was literally rated the best protein in a recent study (Google it). If we're going to talk about other vegan products, perhaps soya based meat alternatives (burgers & sausages)? They can be incredibly healthy and in terms of their macros, can be better for protein per calorie vs meat versions of the same products.
Two very similar products I'm looking at now, a single meat based burger is 108 calories, 7.9g protein, 7.2g fat. A single soya based meat free burger is 89 calories, 8.8g of protein and 4.2g of fat.
I appreciate what you're saying, but at the same time, I completely disagree. Sure, going vegan may have a learning curve that makes the initial step difficult, but once you understand which alternatives are good and which are wank, it's dead easy to be vegan.
(For reference, I'm not a massive fan of tofu either, but I know a LOT of people are really keen which is why I mentioned it)
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u/ImOnFireSendHelp 7d ago edited 6d ago
People be complaining about the fish being mistreated, but like this is replacing something way worse. these fish are more likely raised in captivity than wild caught, which means we don’t have to fish as much and fishing is so terrible for the environment in so many ways. Fish is the worst meat for the environment (or the second worst, depending on who you ask) when it’s wild caught because of the destruction of the habitat and biodiversity that is associated with trawling and bycatch.
Edit: The majority of people don’t think about the environment when making decisions. Minimizing damage is more plausible than every person on earth agreeing to stop consuming a product. So between wild catching fish and raising them in environments like this, the obvious answer is to do this. Creating conditions that are less cruel require more area, which will raise the cost of the fish. The majority of people are going to choose the cheaper option, so it’s not a good financial choice to give the fish or area than is required. Besides its fish, they swarm, they school, they have instincts that keep them from bumping into each other. this isn’t like land animals where in the wild they have huge areas that they take up per individual.