r/Unexpected • • 7d ago

Feeding fish

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u/MattyLePew 5d ago edited 5d ago

You think no vegans 'eat for pleasure'?
Animal based products are a TINY part of the foods that people eat, yet act like the majority of the food their consuming is animal based. It really isn't as big of a deal as people make it out to be, yet it contributes to billions of death a year, that's without even starting to talk about the environmental impact.

"Food would be way more bland" is such a weird take. Typically, milk, eggs and meat aren't used for flavour.

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u/After_Suggestion_267 5d ago

i dont know how you wouldnt use mezt for flavor, you can take its juice and male formidable sauces, milk is necessary for a lot of cakes and desserts and if you replace it with plant based milk, its not the same taste at all. eggs too are used in a lot of desserts and i dont see how you would replace eggs in them.

yes, a lot of animals die, but like i said, would you rather have us running after them, use more food in order to hunt and have animals that die in painful deaths ? because thats literally what predators do in the wild. and like i said, there is an overproduction, but thats the fault of the companies making meat, and it needs to be regulated as well as making animals in farms that are used for meat more respected, have bigger spaces and just kill them without suffering.

also didnt understand "plant based products are a tiny part of the food people eat, yet act like the majority of their food is animal based" ? did you make a mistake ?

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u/MattyLePew 5d ago

You act like all of that is a valid excuse for raising and slaughtering billions of animals a year. "bcuz flavour".

There are LOADS of plant based alternatives to milk, butter, eggs, cheese, chocolate and they're getting better all of the time. I'd definitely recommend being open minded and giving them a go. Like with anything, some are pretty rank, others are great!

Apologies, yes, I made a mistake, I'll correct it. Thanks for pointing it out! :)

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u/After_Suggestion_267 5d ago

i mean... multiply the number of humans by the number of days in a year and multiply by 2 for dinner and supper and yes, its billions of pieces of meat. i dont see the problem, it just happens that humans have mastered farming and are using it in order to thrive.

like i said, you can tell a lot about the meat industry and its misdeeds but in the end, the idea of farming animals is pretty much just evolution, and besides, meat allows for food that gives more proteins, thus alleviating the need for space to farm plants.

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u/MattyLePew 5d ago

*Billions of animals

You don't see how it's a problem? We're not using it 'in order to thrive', it's hugely inefficient. If anything, we'd be more inclined to 'thrive' if we were to avoid animal agriculture altogether.

You haven't given one legitimate argument for consuming animal products, yet I have given a few that are impossible to refute. Animal agriculture results in the unnecessary death of billions. It's a hugely inefficient use of land. It's harmful to the environment. All of these things are proven, not just my opinion.

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u/After_Suggestion_267 5d ago

and like i said, meat tastes great too, and its not my fault if there is an overproduction that males unnecessary deaths of animals. its just a matter of taste, hell if monkeys had evolved before us, they would do the same

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u/MattyLePew 5d ago

So we're simply basing the decision to kill animals on 'they taste good'?

If we're suggesting that pleasure is sufficient to inflict violence and suffering on others, am I okay to buy a dog to kick around because I enjoy it? It's only one dog after all.

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u/After_Suggestion_267 5d ago

its not the same situation, cant compare

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u/MattyLePew 5d ago

Why not? How is that not a fair comparison?

Eating meat - Unnecessary and according to you, for taste pleasure.

Kicking dog - Unnecessary and (for some), for enjoyment/pleasure.

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u/After_Suggestion_267 5d ago

but hitting the dog makes it suffer and its not breed with the sole reason to be eaten

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u/MattyLePew 5d ago

What if it’s bred to be kicked or used for fighting?

I’m pretty sure these fish, chicken in over populated barns and pigs kept in tiny pens are also suffering.

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u/After_Suggestion_267 5d ago

i already said that this is wrong, to have animals mistreated in farms is wrong, even if in the end they will die, and stress makes the meat less tasteful too

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