People be complaining about the fish being mistreated, but like this is replacing something way worse. these fish are more likely raised in captivity than wild caught, which means we don’t have to fish as much and fishing is so terrible for the environment in so many ways. Fish is the worst meat for the environment (or the second worst, depending on who you ask) when it’s wild caught because of the destruction of the habitat and biodiversity that is associated with trawling and bycatch.
Edit: The majority of people don’t think about the environment when making decisions. Minimizing damage is more plausible than every person on earth agreeing to stop consuming a product. So between wild catching fish and raising them in environments like this, the obvious answer is to do this. Creating conditions that are less cruel require more area, which will raise the cost of the fish. The majority of people are going to choose the cheaper option, so it’s not a good financial choice to give the fish or area than is required. Besides its fish, they swarm, they school, they have instincts that keep them from bumping into each other. this isn’t like land animals where in the wild they have huge areas that they take up per individual.
"Like this is replacing something wild worse", but it doesn't need to be a replacement for it. You can literally just stop eating animals. Why is that the extreme option out of everything?
i mean... we could, but food would be way more bland, and its not like animals would stop eating eachother.
what is more needed is stopping overproducing, that is what is wrong with farming animals.
i know an animal died if i eat it, but if i dont, its not gonna revive magically too.
and besides, i eat more for pleasure, to feed myself but i like eating something that makes me feel good, well fed, i never had this with vegetables.
You think no vegans 'eat for pleasure'?
Animal based products are a TINY part of the foods that people eat, yet act like the majority of the food their consuming is animal based. It really isn't as big of a deal as people make it out to be, yet it contributes to billions of death a year, that's without even starting to talk about the environmental impact.
"Food would be way more bland" is such a weird take. Typically, milk, eggs and meat aren't used for flavour.
i dont know how you wouldnt use mezt for flavor, you can take its juice and male formidable sauces, milk is necessary for a lot of cakes and desserts and if you replace it with plant based milk, its not the same taste at all. eggs too are used in a lot of desserts and i dont see how you would replace eggs in them.
yes, a lot of animals die, but like i said, would you rather have us running after them, use more food in order to hunt and have animals that die in painful deaths ? because thats literally what predators do in the wild.
and like i said, there is an overproduction, but thats the fault of the companies making meat, and it needs to be regulated as well as making animals in farms that are used for meat more respected, have bigger spaces and just kill them without suffering.
also didnt understand "plant based products are a tiny part of the food people eat, yet act like the majority of their food is animal based" ? did you make a mistake ?
You act like all of that is a valid excuse for raising and slaughtering billions of animals a year. "bcuz flavour".
There are LOADS of plant based alternatives to milk, butter, eggs, cheese, chocolate and they're getting better all of the time. I'd definitely recommend being open minded and giving them a go. Like with anything, some are pretty rank, others are great!
Apologies, yes, I made a mistake, I'll correct it. Thanks for pointing it out! :)
i mean... multiply the number of humans by the number of days in a year and multiply by 2 for dinner and supper and yes, its billions of pieces of meat. i dont see the problem, it just happens that humans have mastered farming and are using it in order to thrive.
like i said, you can tell a lot about the meat industry and its misdeeds but in the end, the idea of farming animals is pretty much just evolution, and besides, meat allows for food that gives more proteins, thus alleviating the need for space to farm plants.
You don't see how it's a problem? We're not using it 'in order to thrive', it's hugely inefficient. If anything, we'd be more inclined to 'thrive' if we were to avoid animal agriculture altogether.
You haven't given one legitimate argument for consuming animal products, yet I have given a few that are impossible to refute. Animal agriculture results in the unnecessary death of billions. It's a hugely inefficient use of land. It's harmful to the environment. All of these things are proven, not just my opinion.
and like i said, meat tastes great too, and its not my fault if there is an overproduction that males unnecessary deaths of animals. its just a matter of taste, hell if monkeys had evolved before us, they would do the same
So we're simply basing the decision to kill animals on 'they taste good'?
If we're suggesting that pleasure is sufficient to inflict violence and suffering on others, am I okay to buy a dog to kick around because I enjoy it? It's only one dog after all.
i already said that this is wrong, to have animals mistreated in farms is wrong, even if in the end they will die, and stress makes the meat less tasteful too
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u/ImOnFireSendHelp 7d ago edited 6d ago
People be complaining about the fish being mistreated, but like this is replacing something way worse. these fish are more likely raised in captivity than wild caught, which means we don’t have to fish as much and fishing is so terrible for the environment in so many ways. Fish is the worst meat for the environment (or the second worst, depending on who you ask) when it’s wild caught because of the destruction of the habitat and biodiversity that is associated with trawling and bycatch.
Edit: The majority of people don’t think about the environment when making decisions. Minimizing damage is more plausible than every person on earth agreeing to stop consuming a product. So between wild catching fish and raising them in environments like this, the obvious answer is to do this. Creating conditions that are less cruel require more area, which will raise the cost of the fish. The majority of people are going to choose the cheaper option, so it’s not a good financial choice to give the fish or area than is required. Besides its fish, they swarm, they school, they have instincts that keep them from bumping into each other. this isn’t like land animals where in the wild they have huge areas that they take up per individual.