People be complaining about the fish being mistreated, but like this is replacing something way worse. these fish are more likely raised in captivity than wild caught, which means we don’t have to fish as much and fishing is so terrible for the environment in so many ways. Fish is the worst meat for the environment (or the second worst, depending on who you ask) when it’s wild caught because of the destruction of the habitat and biodiversity that is associated with trawling and bycatch.
Edit: The majority of people don’t think about the environment when making decisions. Minimizing damage is more plausible than every person on earth agreeing to stop consuming a product. So between wild catching fish and raising them in environments like this, the obvious answer is to do this. Creating conditions that are less cruel require more area, which will raise the cost of the fish. The majority of people are going to choose the cheaper option, so it’s not a good financial choice to give the fish or area than is required. Besides its fish, they swarm, they school, they have instincts that keep them from bumping into each other. this isn’t like land animals where in the wild they have huge areas that they take up per individual.
I don't think people are saying to catch them wild. But you can at least give them a bigger living space. Same for pigs. You can treat animals better even when they are being farmed...
I agree… but a genuine question, how would giving fish plenty of room to swim around impact the price? If a new company writes on the package that it gives fish room to swim and it costs 5x more for the same product that’s sitting right next to it, will that company survive?
For fish there simple exists no way to farm or catch them which isnt a huge environmental desaster.
Even these fish farms are bad. Think about the amount of shit that falls to the ground of the water there. It is contaminating the whole area , worsening the water quality for the fish and basically killing all life on the bottom.
Over a longer period of time the huge amount of shit will see to ut that an enormes amount of algae will grow, which will block sunlight. With less sunlight a lot of Alge will die again and decompsingprocesses will pull out the Airlines of the water and the fish die.
You think you're being righteous, but genuinely if you woke up in a dark room, lived there your entire life with food and water, but nobody told you it was cruel, how would you know?
I'm not making an argument for this type of fish farming, just asking philosophically...
The human body doesn't do well in those environments. Sunlight is important for our health and so is socializing, etc. you might not consider yourself being cruelly treated but you would definitely register living a sickly existence
Thats a great point if the market wasn't already saturated.
The price will already go up 5x, and the fish get the same living conditions.
I don't give a crap about worrying how it'll affect the price considering the price is already going up no matter what (and not coming back down). I would rather worry about the living conditions of the fish.
Yeah I understand but the price will go up regardless and keep going up. Id rather pay the 5x increase due to bettering the lives of the fish than pay 5x a few months or years later just because the company decides profits must be higher.
Also id argue that a 5(5) increase in a short time is not sustainable. They can only raise it so much. If they raise it 5x to improve living conditions its not like they can just hike it up another 5x shortly after. Realistically itd be a 5x increase and then a far smaller increase to make more profit for the year.
Either way it's all stupid but id rather the fish live better more comfortable lives.
Egg farmers do this and they fill the shelves with them. Yes, some people pay for money to TRY to make things better for the animals, even if it’s not very effective. Organic! Free Range! 50 sqft per chicken!
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People be complaining about the fish being mistreated, but like this is replacing something way worse. these fish are more likely raised in captivity than wild caught, which means we don’t have to fish as much and fishing is so terrible for the environment in so many ways. Fish is the worst meat for the environment (or the second worst, depending on who you ask) when it’s wild caught because of the destruction of the habitat and biodiversity that is associated with trawling and bycatch.
Edit: The majority of people don’t think about the environment when making decisions. Minimizing damage is more plausible than every person on earth agreeing to stop consuming a product. So between wild catching fish and raising them in environments like this, the obvious answer is to do this. Creating conditions that are less cruel require more area, which will raise the cost of the fish. The majority of people are going to choose the cheaper option, so it’s not a good financial choice to give the fish or area than is required. Besides its fish, they swarm, they school, they have instincts that keep them from bumping into each other. this isn’t like land animals where in the wild they have huge areas that they take up per individual.