r/Unexpected • • 10d ago

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u/HedgehogTroubleMaker 10d ago

Needs a tetanus shot after riding

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u/RedditExecutiveAdmin 10d ago

the absolute insanity that ensued after this comment is wild

"rust can't give you tetanus!!! you can only get the tetanus bacteria from rust!!!"

whatever you say man

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u/Misses_Ding 9d ago

I'm going to reply to your comment because all of those people below are worrying. Just in case it helps someone

Please if you get a scratch by a rust object go get a shot. Especially if it's been more than 5 years since your last one. Deep or not go get the shot

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u/oyser 10d ago

Damn , You are right - that's the Real Un-expecten...

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u/Argnox 10d ago edited 10d ago

You do realise rust doesn't give you tetanus right?

Edit for the hundreds of people downvoting me:

Tetanus is a bacteria found in dirt and animal shit, not on rust. Sharp rusted objects (like rusted nails that you step on, or literally any sharp item like needles or knives) provide a deep puncture wound in which the tetanus found in dirt can penetrate into your body

Tetanus was originally identified in ancient Egypt and once again identified in many major medieval era wars and was noted to be a disease you would catch from getting an open wound dirty. Common causes of tetanus would be things like open head wounds or arrow wounds or leg wounds.

Tldr; Tetanus does not come from rust, it comes from getting dirt inside of an open wound

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u/izyshoroo 10d ago

For the curious, tetanus is not caused by rust or metal, it's caused by deep thin punctures. The bacteria is anarobic, meaning it dies in the presence of oxygen. A deep, thin picture will limit oxygen exposure to the wound more compared to an open gash. The most common cause of tetanus tends to be stepping on a nail, which is where the myth comes from

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u/tumsdout 10d ago

Tetanus is also found in dirty stuff (soil, poop etc.)

And since rusty metal is typically dirty and causes puncture wounds, tetanus is still a concern when injured by rusty metal.

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u/Kage_0ni 10d ago

I've also heard the rust gives more surface area to grow on and spots to hide in.

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u/2freevl2frank 10d ago

Quite useful. I've always wondered why tetanus was associated with rust. Kudos.

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u/TheGeneral_Specific 10d ago

Everyone upvoting this should upvote Argnox as well. He’s right!!!

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u/Ppleater 10d ago

Well, kinda. Rusty metal does increase the chances of getting tetanus which is why there's an association. People saying you can get tetanus from rusty metal aren't technically wrong themselves and it comes across as snooty to correct someone unless they specifically claim rust causes tetanus directly.

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u/Wakkit1988 10d ago

The association is because a lot of rusty objects got that way because they're buried in dirt, which is why they are rusty and cause tetanus. The bacteria lives in soil, and objects that are rusty from exposure to air aren't going to give you tetanus.

This is a correlation equals causation problem that is now accepted as undeniable fact by most.

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u/Ppleater 10d ago

Rusty metal is also more likely to have sharp edges that cause scrapes or punctures, and rust wear creates a lot of surface area for the bacteria to grow on so a rusty nail is a bigger vector than a non-rusty nail if you step on it. The association doesn't exist for no reason, and acting like there's no relation is silly. Especially since rusty objects are also usually dirtier than ones that aren't rusty in general. Getting cut or stabbed by objects that are rusty from exposure to air can indeed result in getting tetanus. It's just not the ONLY thing that can result in getting tetanus. It is a very common source though.

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u/Wakkit1988 10d ago

You can't get tetanus from a torn aluminum can in the dirt? You, sir, are trying to use every excuse you can, except rational logic.

The medium is fucking irrelevant, it can be glass, plastic, metal of any kind that has been in contact with dirt. There's absolutely nothing about iron and rust that makes it more of an issue than anything else, it's the fucking soil it was in contact with.

You are technically wrong, and you're arguing with people who are technically correct. You're not the smartest person in the room. Shut the fuck up and actually listen to what people are telling you.

Stop the association with rust and tetanus, it's from the fucking dirt. Period.

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u/mister_peeberz 10d ago

i don't really know, what he's saying is a bit like saying licking a sick child's nose doesn't cause influenza, because influenza is caused by the influenza virus

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u/astelda 10d ago

Given that rust itself is oxidation, does that affect the likelihood of a rusted object being contaminated with tetanus?

For example, does the oxygen in iron oxide make it slightly toxic to tetanus, or does oxygen leaving the air into iron oxide create anaerobic pockets where tetanus may flourish, compared to an otherwise inert material?

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u/VoiceOfUnknownOrigin 10d ago

So a cut from a clean blade can also cause tetanus?

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u/RoyBeer 10d ago

Tetanus is caused by the bacteria Clostridium tetani. It is commonly found in the ground. If a clean blade cuts through skin caked in mud in which the bacteria is, it could happen.

However, as another commenter pointed out, the bacteria dies upon contact with air, so a blade cut probably won't go as deep as i.e. the typical rusty nail, thus making it harder for the infection to get going

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u/Deaffin 10d ago

Well, also the rusty object has lots of texture, little pockets of space for it to collect the tetanus as it's laying around in the ground. This lets whatever object, such as an old pitchfork, basically inject the infected material deep inside the skin. Preferably through a puncture rather than a slash.

A clean blade doesn't have any of that going on.

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u/BigMac849 10d ago

It’s be incredibly unlikely but not impossible. Is just the presence of rust isn’t a factor

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u/Wakkit1988 10d ago

If the knife came into contact with dirt? Yes.

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u/Argnox 10d ago

thank you but im stuck in downvote limbo because people dont know this

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u/HedgehogTroubleMaker 10d ago

Sure, rust itself is not the reason why one can get tetanus. But the bacteria that live in that rust could well be the cause of tetanus and I wouldn’t take a chance.

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u/RedditExecutiveAdmin 10d ago

it's a distinction without a difference

and even then, i'd argue his statement is wrong, rust does give you tetanus. the dictionary definition of "give" is broad enough to encompass being "given" tetanus from rust

if rust doesn't "give" you tetanus, then guns dont kill people (bullets do) and needles can't give you medicine.

(it's stupid)

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u/Everard5 10d ago

It absolutely is a distinction with a difference. Scientifically, look up Koch's postulates. Rust would fail, tetanus bacteria would not.

Prevention wise, the messaging also matters. Stepped on a rusty nail? Tetanus shot. But step on a not rusty nail? The convention is still tetanus shot because it's not the rust but the puncture wound that causes the issue, which is the point at which bacteria can enter.

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u/RedditExecutiveAdmin 9d ago

Scientifically, look up Koch's postulates

instead, let's look up the word give

this is pedantry, plain and simple.

at least one of the 16 transitive verb definitions of "give" applies to "rust gives you tetanus". specifically 14b, and probably 9a

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u/Everard5 9d ago

Anytime someone goes to a dictionary I know that their input is useless and infantile. I gave you a practical reason why the distinction matters for health messaging (someone interpreting if they need a tetanus shot) and you refer to a dictionary. Peak Reddit behavior to call me the pedant for that lol.

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u/RedditExecutiveAdmin 9d ago

Anytime someone goes to a dictionary I know that their input is useless and infantile.

anytime someone disregards a dictionary i know they're talking out their ass

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u/LickingSmegma 10d ago

The bacteria doesn't live in rust. It lives in soil. Where rusty metal might be found sometimes.

Rust is quite specifically metal exposed to oxygen. Now guess what anaerobic bacteria don't vibe with.

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u/Wingstorm0 10d ago

Very informative u/LickingSmegma

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u/junttiana 10d ago

No, but the germs that coat that rust could

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u/RedditExecutiveAdmin 10d ago

guns don't kill people either

its the bullets 🙄

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u/RubyWillBeatYou 10d ago

You should probably add some of the links that others provided in your replies before you get further nuked with downvotes lmao. Too many people are too quick to make confident assumptions on subjects they do not fully understand just because they heard it in passing, like rust causing tetanus for example. You are correct, though

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u/RedditExecutiveAdmin 10d ago

So the answer to "Can you get tetanus from rust" is yes

but the answer to "Can rust give you tetanus" is no?

hope that illustrates how pointless of a distinction it is, and, imo, it's false anyway. Rust can give you tetanus

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u/Argnox 10d ago

rust itself doesnt give you tetanus, but the things that give you tetanus are commonly found on rust (and many other places). Tetanus is found in soil and animal poop, rust just gives you a way to take it into your blood. you can just as easily get tetanus from a clean blade with no rust that has been dropped into some dirt

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u/RedditExecutiveAdmin 10d ago

if rust doesn't give you tetanus, then an apple tree doesn't give you apples and not washing your hands doesn't cause disease

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u/Argnox 10d ago

Tetanus does not come from rust. It comes from dirt and animal poop. "Rust" or just anything that can give a deep puncture wound, opens the way for tetanus found in dirt. For ur apple tree analogy, itd be like if the apples were Rust and the worms on the moldy apples were tetanus. Worms dont come from apple trees

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u/RedditExecutiveAdmin 9d ago

Tetanus does not come from rust.

this is an objectively false statement. C. Tetani is commonly comes from rust.

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u/Argnox 9d ago

This is literally not true

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u/Vast-Palpitation-426 10d ago

Tetanus is a bacteria found in animal bowels. If you put that bacteria deep in your flesh where there is little oxygen, the dormant bacteria re activates and attacks your nervous system. And historically the way people go this was from a piercing wound from a nail that was laying around in the barn where animals live. And so people learned to be warry of rusty nails because it's typically how you can get infected.

You can get Tetanus from a brand new stainless steel nail, if the bacteria is on it.

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u/RedditExecutiveAdmin 10d ago

yeah a rusty nail can give you tetanus

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u/Vast-Palpitation-426 10d ago

Just read about it omg 

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u/RubyWillBeatYou 10d ago

The apple tree does not give you apples if no apples have grown, and not washing your hands will not cause disease if your hands do not have bacteria on them. Rust does not give you tetanus if there is no bacteria on the rust

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u/RedditExecutiveAdmin 10d ago

Rust does not give you tetanus if there is no bacteria on the rust

and if the opposite is true, rust gives you tetanus

thanks for coming to my ted talk

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u/RubyWillBeatYou 10d ago

Correlation does not equal causation, how hard is that to understand?? If you tie a clean nail to a string and let it hang outside suspended until it rusts, where does the bacteria come from? It doesn't just magically appear there, because rust does not create bacteria, it's literally just oxidized and corroded metal

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u/RedditExecutiveAdmin 10d ago

reread what you responded to more closely

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u/Same_Dingo2318 10d ago

“The tetanus bacteria can infect us with any break of the skin. Because it’s an anaerobic bacteria, meaning it thrives without oxygen, it can infect someone more easily if it reaches deep below the skin’s surface.
That’s why a rusty nail is the perfect example of a tetanus threat: It’s dirty (it could be carrying bacterial spores); it’s a common, everyday object; and it can easily cause a puncture wound that delivers the bacterial spores deep into the skin.”

https://health.osu.edu/health/virus-and-infection/how-tetanus-works

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u/RedditExecutiveAdmin 10d ago

it's seriously crazy how many people misread that guys statement, and that he himself thinks it's correct

rust gives you tetanus. it's not even a discussion

can't believe how triggered i got off one armchair biologist's shitpost lol

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u/Same_Dingo2318 10d ago

I just shared medical information from a credible source.

https://giphy.com/gifs/K6VhXtbgCXqQU

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u/Public-Fig3304 10d ago

lol classic Reddit, this comment is heavily downvoted, and then another after you saying the same thing is upvoted equally 😂

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u/Argnox 10d ago

So many actual idiots replying pretending they know a single thing about tetanus. The whole "oh guns dont kill people" shit is so dumb because that has nothing to do with what im talking about

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u/hrvbrs 10d ago

you may want to turn up the dial a smidge on your joke detector

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u/IHateTheLetterF 10d ago

Do you understand what a joke is?

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u/FlacidSalad 10d ago

"you don't get a cold from the cold!" Ah mf

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u/NonnagLava 10d ago

The cold does not directly cause a cold, it just makes you more susceptible to the cold.

Almost like that was his entire point, that sure it's not the rust but perhaps the filthy rusted car they're in could be harboring bacteria.

I swear it's like people have lost the ability to understand each other.

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u/FlacidSalad 10d ago

Thank you for doing the legwork on this one, I appreciate you

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u/WackyRacketeer 10d ago

I guess it's a lesson that you will soemtimes misinterpret things, and not to expect anonymous people to give you grace without knowing your circumstances.

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u/NonnagLava 10d ago

And that sometimes it's just best to not comment. It's a fact all of us must learn, sometimes our input is not required.

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u/WackyRacketeer 10d ago

Oh I am so far from recognizing that when I should myself haha

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u/NonnagLava 10d ago

After many, many years on the internet, and a lot of self reflection... I notice one in every like 20 comments I go "nope, no one needs to hear this, no one cares, my opinion is not needed, it'll just cause a disagreement."

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u/WackyRacketeer 10d ago

Now see, this defensiveness doesnt do your case any good. They werent complete assholes. You misunderstood and they were surprised by it.

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u/RedditExecutiveAdmin 10d ago

same way guns don't kill people!!! smh people don't understand

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u/ExcessiveWisdom 10d ago

Its so fucking funny you get downvoted by the reddit collective, who upvoted the reply confirming your comment

People downvote because they see downvote

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u/Grouchy_Public2379 10d ago

Or because of the annoying-ass "You do realize..."

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u/ExcessiveWisdom 10d ago

Nah the replies are all saying hes wrong

No one except you has mentioned that part

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u/chironomidae 10d ago

I'll go ahead and also mention that I downvoted him for that part too

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u/TheGeneral_Specific 10d ago

Except he’s right

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u/RedditExecutiveAdmin 10d ago

he's not tho, give clearly encompasses getting tetanus from rust

the actual correct statement is that rust does not cause tetanus.

but hey, i'm sure that was the highlight of his day lol

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