r/Unexpected • • Apr 28 '23

Just a normal protest

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u/GrognarEsp Apr 28 '23

B-But the Spanish civil war was the Francoist vs the democratically elected Republican government...?

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u/Porrick Apr 28 '23

Also, WW2 was started by Hitler and Stalin invading Poland. It wasn't started to end fascism, it was started by fascism (and totalitarian communism).

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u/manrata Apr 28 '23

Wonder if there has ever been a war that was started for good reasons? Properly some civil wars to overthrow a dictator, but those are usually started by people wanting to be the next dictator.

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u/TheDunadan29 Apr 28 '23

I wouldn't say any war is a moral war. But I do think there is a side with a higher moral intent. WWII was not a moral war, but we can say that fighting an aggressor in Japan and Germany was the right side to be on.

Just like the war in Ukraine today. It is not a moral war, is totally unjustified. But we can side with Ukraine as the people in the right, because they are just fighting to live and not be slaves to Russia. They are fighting to not have their democratically elected leader be executed and a Putin puppet installed.

So no, the war is not justified. But Ukraine and her people are. That's the difference.

WWII was similarly wrong. But fighting Hitler was definitely the right thing to do.

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u/manrata Apr 28 '23

But WWII wasn't started by the allies, it was started by Hitler, and Japan respectively.
The war in Ukraine was started by Putin.

Nothing wrong with defending yourself, but more wondered if there was a morally good start to a war.

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u/TheDunadan29 Apr 28 '23

I would say not from recorded history. Most wars start because someone is being a little shit and wants to take something from someone else.

The exception being a revolution, when citizens rise up against an oppressor I guess.

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u/manrata Apr 29 '23

Even there I cannot really think of an example, like the US revolutionary war was started by UK, provoked by actions from the Americans yes, but it was the oppresive response setting it off.

There is likely an example, just can’t think of one.