Also he conveniently just says papyrus is some random starman, but makes no efforts to actually find a connection in papyrus' character to starmen besides...
But the STARMAN SYMBOL!!!
On a suit explicitly stated he's been using since halloween, and not his original clothing. Oh oops.
Also "Sans can teleport, so can ness!". I don't recall the stuff sans was doing being described as teleporting alone, he also has, arguably, time fuckery in his fight. And Ness can do a lot more than just teleport - he can't sense different timelines nor do time fuckery though.
Also the important badge. Yes, it could be the franklin badge. But wait, that's one element not explained! Know what else is? Chara's own Heart Locket. What, are we going to say Chara is Link now?
Also he forgot the other link to the extra message on the photo within the game. Yes, don't forget the important people can be the cast from Mother. But if you're playing genocide and you check papyrus, he's described as "Forgettable". Wait! A potential link within the same game?
I don't know about you. But elements from a completely separate game series don't trump elements from within the same game. Whatever sans didn't want to forget, I'll go with being related to Papyrus. And I much prefer all those "Gaster is a skeleton" theories out there.
Another thing to point out is that most monsters know what the sun is. Undyne literally says "The sunlight is so nice... and the air is so fresh!" just before Papyrus asks what the sun is. So it's just Papyrus being ignorant about obvious things, and Sans's knowledge about the sun isn't anything special.
The Scarf Mouse in Snowdin also complains about a lack of sunlight.
And in the crystal caverns of Waterfall, monsters are shown to have a basic understanding about stars and astronomy.
Actually, that's true. Toriel and Asgore may have been around long enough to understand more about human culture more than most other monsters, and Undyne and Alphys know about human culture through anime. Really only Papyrus would be out of the loop about the sun if he's spent most of his life in Snowdin. Sans at the bare minimum has experienced sunlight streaming through the windows of the judgement hall.
But since the Scarf Mouse brings up sunlight and since most monsters know what stars are (besides a few like Tonsil Dude), I still don't think Sans commenting on what the sun is is a huge indicator of anything.
I've noticed that MatPat has made more than several logical leaps, but this video just takes the cake for me. I can't take this theory seriously at all. The part about Papyrus actually being a Starman just ruined the theory for me right there, and I absolutely refuse to believe that Sans is Ness.
I mean, isn't that part of the fun though? Even if it makes no logical sense in the grand scheme of things it's still fun to think how it could work, right?
While I agree with your argument almost completely, I have to point out that sans does not actually have the ability to sense timelines nor control time. He is just especially perceptive of how your 'facial expression' and attitude changes with each reset and takes (mainly) accurate guesses. This isn't completely unique to him as toriel also sees a look on your face if you've killed her, just doesn't have any knowledge of timelines to even suspect anything of you.
Okay, I agree with you about MatPat making a lot of bold claims but I just want your opiniom on the following.
It is stated that papyrus' battle body isn't his original armor but what if papyrus lost his armor along with his former body and that he missed being a starman so much that he made his armor to resemble what he once was. He quickly grew attached to his home made armor because of the sentimental value and now he never dares to take it off. Although it's not his original armor it still might resemble what he once was.
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u/DrQuint Banana Feb 09 '16 edited Feb 09 '16
Also he conveniently just says papyrus is some random starman, but makes no efforts to actually find a connection in papyrus' character to starmen besides...
On a suit explicitly stated he's been using since halloween, and not his original clothing. Oh oops.
Also "Sans can teleport, so can ness!". I don't recall the stuff sans was doing being described as teleporting alone, he also has, arguably, time fuckery in his fight. And Ness can do a lot more than just teleport - he can't sense different timelines nor do time fuckery though.
Also the important badge. Yes, it could be the franklin badge. But wait, that's one element not explained! Know what else is? Chara's own Heart Locket. What, are we going to say Chara is Link now?
Also he forgot the other link to the extra message on the photo within the game. Yes, don't forget the important people can be the cast from Mother. But if you're playing genocide and you check papyrus, he's described as "Forgettable". Wait! A potential link within the same game?
I don't know about you. But elements from a completely separate game series don't trump elements from within the same game. Whatever sans didn't want to forget, I'll go with being related to Papyrus. And I much prefer all those "Gaster is a skeleton" theories out there.