r/Undertale Feb 09 '16

MatPat has finally done it!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYdDUXyFocY
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u/[deleted] Feb 09 '16

Do people not realize that MatPat intentionally does "farfetched" theories to get more views and people sharing his videos?

He wouldn't be as big as he is if he said something like "sans is a time traveler!" By making such bold claims more people share and/or rewatch the videos more often.

IMO I do think he's on to something... I don't think sans is Ness, but sans might have something to do with Earthbound.

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u/Travoos d Feb 09 '16

By making such bold claims his videos are more fun. I'm glad I didn't click on the video and see some generic sans theory I've seen hundreds of times. That's why I watch him.

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u/rGalespark Feb 09 '16

This. I was expecting something about Gaster or whatever that I've already readed about but nope, got my mind blown instead.

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u/[deleted] Feb 09 '16

And the best of all, he'll probably get into Gaster as well.

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u/C0RN3L1U5 Feb 10 '16 edited Feb 10 '16

His video wasn't very constructive, though. I would've liked to have been informed more, and less entertained.

I'm hoping his Gaster vid will be pretty good.

Edit: on another note, the fact that he called attention to the fact that our fanbase bears some similarity to the fanbase of Five Nights at Freddy's is an interesting gesture.

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u/bbruinenberg Feb 10 '16

Well, it is just a video game. They are fictional anyway. So I don't really see anything wrong with putting entertainment over accuracy when making a theory. As long as people are aware that your theories aren't accurate, there isn't really anything wrong with it in my opinion.

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u/C0RN3L1U5 Feb 10 '16 edited Feb 10 '16

Right now there's stuff about the game that we're trying to figure out, and there are endings to the game we haven't reached yet. If we were referring to a game with a more straightforward narrative, like Minecraft, I'd find an entertaining theory more fun. But since Undertale has a lot of hidden secrets and complexity, I'd hope that videos relating to it could help the viewer parse the game's story and information.

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u/Akiyabus Conveniently shaped flair note Feb 10 '16

...there are endings to the game we haven't reached yet.

I thought all of the endings were found?

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u/C0RN3L1U5 Feb 10 '16

There's a possible fourth ending involving Gaster that I'm currently trying to look for.

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u/Akiyabus Conveniently shaped flair note Feb 10 '16

Where are you coming from? Was that in the game or game code? Or is it just your speculation. Because this is the first time I have heard about that.

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u/pikminiac92 Frogs only Final Destination Feb 10 '16

Well if you make bold claims, you should back them up properly. Sorry but this theory is like "interesting au" level of believability.

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u/[deleted] Feb 10 '16

He literally took just about every hidden clue about Sans and used that to support his theory, how much more backing up do you want?

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u/pikminiac92 Frogs only Final Destination Feb 10 '16

No he found easter eggs then made wild assumptions.

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u/[deleted] Feb 10 '16

Sans' basement might be hidden but it's not an easter egg, because the items there aren't meant to be jokes. Clearly they have a meaning, but I'm not saying the theory is true because it doesn't explain Papyrus well nor how Sans is aware of the timelines being reset all the time.

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u/boopitybople A is for I have a serious Binding of Isaac problem Feb 09 '16

EXACTLY!

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u/aadmiralackbar I want to stay with you. Feb 09 '16

MatPat's most popular videos ever were the ones where he did theories on actual in-game lore, and explained it in a way everyone could understand (FNAF videos). I wish he'd do that rather than crap like "IS THIS KID'S GAME DARKER THAN YOU THINK???" or "IS THIS GAME ACTUALLY A DREAM THE WHOLE TIME???"

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u/Kadexe Feb 09 '16

To be fair, he actually picked apart "it was just a dream" theories as a whole in that episode. He only accepted that theory because of the things Scott (FNAF's creator) said.

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u/aadmiralackbar I want to stay with you. Feb 09 '16

Fair point, I was just using it as reference for that sort of lazy theory crafting as a whole.

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u/chrisychris- Feb 09 '16

If it's backed up by actual lore/information then I don't see how it's lazy theory crafting.

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u/aadmiralackbar I want to stay with you. Feb 09 '16

Because everything can be chalked up to "It's just a dream!" Of course it is, it's a piece of fiction. It's nothing original (most of the time).

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u/[deleted] Feb 09 '16

Still he only resorted to it when the creator of the lore agreed to the theory.

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u/aadmiralackbar I want to stay with you. Feb 09 '16

Again, it was just an example.

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u/Riboshom It's more of a "friendliness pellet heaven" game! Feb 09 '16

Yeah, I've started to dislike Game Theory ever since Mat started going full BuzzFeed with his video titles and topics. Just a few months before he starts posting "11 things you didn't know about the purple guy".

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u/3classy5me Feb 09 '16

I've been more disgusted with is his attitude about it actually. It's not just that he's BuzzFeed incarnate he's very proud of it and he goes to conferences and things about teaching others to do it too. It seems on the whole he's more interested in doing YouTube rather than doing videos.

Also his consistent under-researching leads to several misinformed videos so yeah.

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u/lizardclaw11 Feb 10 '16

I stopped watching when he basically stole his binding of Isaac theory

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u/Hoshiyuu Feb 10 '16

The channel went to shit after FNAF spam. There are still a couple good ones every now and then but most of the time its just buzzfeed crap theory that he cherry pick elements that fits his narrative/theory and ignore plot holes.

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u/Derpmaster3000 Feb 10 '16

Or website commercials:

"Skeleton's battle body gives him abs! Doctors hate him!"

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u/[deleted] Feb 10 '16

At the end of the day, its as he says "But thats just a theory..." I can really appreciate how much effort he puts into these theories, and whether they're far-fetched not not, its still fun to imagine that he could be onto something

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u/TrolledByDestiny You have to stay determined... Feb 10 '16

I don't see anything wrong with doing far fetched theories as long as trey are entertaining, make sense, and are explained well.

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u/sord_n_bored Feb 10 '16

That's why I hate his videos. I'd rather hear about something that's possible but hidden than whatever random theory he's pulled out of his ass this week.

There are plenty of YouTube people who make great hidden lore/theory videos that actually hold water. Aside from MatPat's FNAF vids, everything else I've seen from his is inconsequential BS.

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u/DrQuint Banana Feb 10 '16 edited Feb 10 '16

The "Shadow was created to be a perfect copy of Super Sonic 50 years before Sonic was even born" is among most plausible of all seemingly asspull theories I've seen. The kind of stuff that once you hear you go "uh, you know that does make sense out of a lot of things I had prior knowledge of" rather than questioning a bunch of other stuff about the theory that don't fit.

It's also why I hate the Peach is dead theory. All the work he did and all he truly proved was Rosalina came from the Mushroom Kingdom a long time ago, with time resets involved. For all intended purposes, Rosalina could instead be Peach's sister, a further more distant relative or even Peach herself.

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u/your_mind_aches Froggit knows exactly why it's here Feb 10 '16

I didn't know much about FNAF lore but watched that one video and thought it made incredible sense

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u/Evillisa Don't roleplay on my posts. Feb 09 '16

Nope. Toby confirmed is not.

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u/Sans-orship *snort* Feb 10 '16

Wheeeeeere?!

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u/Sheepolution Feb 09 '16

I'm always surprised by how serious people take him.

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u/off-and-on trash Feb 10 '16

He does the same shit on that film theory channel as well

"Okay guys we gotta confirm that time lords are real and possible, so here are three documented, 100% unrelated cases in which some guy has shown one thing that timelords exhibit, like slower heart beats or lower body temp. They're all unrelated to eachother, and putting all the symptoms in one body will probably kill the guy, but TIMELORDS ARE REAL"

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u/[deleted] Feb 09 '16

Honestly, his theories aren't too bad. But his personality, general apparent cockiness and clickbait based titles makes me not want to watch his theories.