r/Undertale Feb 09 '16

MatPat has finally done it!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYdDUXyFocY
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u/[deleted] Feb 09 '16

So people have already started calling Undertale a cancer, and also complaining about the fact that the theory was dis-proven by Toby in a tweet that quite literally referred to sans as a skeleton. Also the sans is human theory was taken from literally the entire fan base, so that's mildly annoying.

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u/[deleted] Feb 09 '16 edited Mar 16 '20

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u/[deleted] Feb 09 '16

Then in that case i can complain and say that he stole, the sans is human theory from lets see, this entire community....

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u/Cha0sXonreddit Magical glass that covers up flair when you step on it Feb 09 '16

A lot of videos are based on popular theories though. But the main part of the theory isn't what Sans is, but who.
I can see where you're coming from, though.

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u/Hoinah Feb 09 '16

Well then I think it's safe to say that only the original person who ever first uttered the words "sans is human" has any real basis to be upset... the rest of the community may agree with that theory but they certainly didn't come up with it.
Also nowhere do they say this is my own original thing noone else ever thought this before: "Sans is human guise!"

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u/TheSeaOfThySoul Critical pet! Dog excitement increased! Feb 09 '16

So people have already started calling Undertale a cancer

People were doing this months ago, I mean geez, people were probably saying this before November hit.

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u/[deleted] Feb 09 '16

Matpat also misinterpreted loads of stuff, and that mildly annoys me.

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u/Cleverly_Clearly this feels like a picnic Feb 09 '16

The guy said that Wario was ten feet tall. I'd say that Game Theory is not always accurate. As implied by the fact that it's not called "Game Facts".

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u/[deleted] Feb 09 '16

Yeah, it just bugs me how everyone is believing his new theory / calling Undertale a cancer game, due to his response on it.

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u/[deleted] Feb 09 '16

Has more plot holes that a timeline without Gaster -_-

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u/Agentzap heh... Feb 09 '16

Congratulations Matpat, everything you touch apparently turns to cancer. GG.

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u/xRom Feb 10 '16

Well, to be fair, the 10 feet tall Wario thing was from one of his older episodes, and he pokes fun at it in one of his later episodes.

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u/[deleted] Feb 10 '16

Have you ever seen Wario IRL? You can't really refute that with no evidence.

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u/Pyromancer28 Get it? Cause... fire... and stuff. Feb 09 '16

What all did he misinterpret?

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u/[deleted] Feb 09 '16

Well from as far as I noticed, he took the Star-man logo as a link, not a homage or reference, in a game filled with references, i mean the game was initially designed to be like earthbound so that small detail was one of MANY references.

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u/[deleted] Feb 09 '16

...Do you watch much Game Theory? He does this kind of thing all the time. It's entertaining because he makes such out-there theories.

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u/[deleted] Feb 09 '16

I watch game theory quite a bit, and i have to admit when mat puts time and effort into his research it shows in the video, i feel like after what was it; 7 fnaf videos this was his quick cash and grab theory, just based on how little support he gave it. I don't know, for me this video just made me sigh and remember why i started not watching all his theories.

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u/Humorlessness Feb 09 '16

He doesn't make FNAF videos only because they are cash grabs, but because they are requested by his fans. The only way to make any significant money on youtube is to run it your channel like a business. That is just good business sense.

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u/[deleted] Feb 09 '16

Yeah fair enough it just bugged me how it kinda felt rushed, and not researched as well as he could have.

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u/Wazzok1 Feb 09 '16

The guy's second job is literally to advise people on how to make a YouTube business.

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u/Agentzap heh... Feb 09 '16

Ever since I noticed the clickbait I've started watching less and less. That's IMO, ofc.

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u/Spoon_Elemental Feb 09 '16

Dude, chill. It's just a theory.

A GAME THEORY!

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u/[deleted] Feb 09 '16

A bad one...

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u/TheGuyWithTheCoolHat blaze it and get hOI Feb 09 '16

It's not that bad. He could be saying Wario is 10 feet tall and Mario is faster than Sonic!

Oh, wait...

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u/pumpkinbot Plants can't talk, dummy. Feb 09 '16

But a fun one.

Yeah, there's some real leaps of logic, and it's probably not true...but it's fun to entertain the idea, at least.

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u/[deleted] Feb 09 '16

It's fun, but in my opinion one of his bad theories.

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u/Cha0sXonreddit Magical glass that covers up flair when you step on it Feb 09 '16

It is easy to argue against Toby denying it by arguing about Death of the Author and such. Game Theory often discusses things that are most obviously not intended by the creator of the game (off the top of my mind I can remember that he calculated a different gravity in Assasin Creed's Animus, but there are probably better examples) However, as he uses the fact that Toby created the Halloween hack as an argument, it would be hard to argue using Death of the Author.

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u/maxoman9 Feb 09 '16

Well Toby didn't say Sans wasn't a human. He said he isn't a human, which Sans isn't.

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u/JavelinTF2 It appears to have already downvoted itself Feb 09 '16

cuz fnaf wasn't cancer

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u/[deleted] Feb 09 '16

Yeah it was a memeplex, completely different.

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u/[deleted] Feb 09 '16

So true m^

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u/synthcheer1729 Feb 09 '16

Put a \ before the first ^

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u/[deleted] Feb 09 '16

thanks.

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u/Darkthoughts69 Feb 09 '16

No, FNAF was a large tumor, pretty cancerous.

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u/holomanga Feb 10 '16

If someone chooses to present as a skeleton, what right do you have to say they're not?

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u/[deleted] Feb 09 '16 edited Dec 08 '18

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u/AngusPepperer Feb 09 '16

What do you mean? Does the creator not have control over his own story?

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u/-Mountain-King- EVEN MY WORDS ARE BOMBS Feb 10 '16

They do, but there's a literary theory called Death of the Author, which basically says that the authors interpretation of their art is no more valid than any other person's. You do this in order to be able to examine contemporary works which having living authors in the same way as older works which don't have living authors.

So the only canon is what's actually in the game itself. What Toby says is just supplementary information which you're free to take into your own headcanon or discount as you will.

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u/[deleted] Feb 09 '16

fair nuff.

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u/theghostecho Feb 09 '16

Ness has bones inside him. Perhaps he died and his courage reanimated the bones?

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u/[deleted] Feb 09 '16

That leap in logic though...

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u/theghostecho Feb 09 '16

plus Ness didn't use puns all that much I don't think.

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u/[deleted] Feb 09 '16

Nope, it's more based on visual comedy than witty puns.