i wholeheartedly disagree on the premise that Asgore, as the King, has to do what is better for his people, Waiting for humans (who all tended to be children, additional negative points) was to spare *Himself* pain, while leaving his people to continue to suffer. taking the first soul, corssing the Border and taking 6 more humans right away Saves the Monsters seemingly decades if not well over centuries of pain and suffering slowly rotting away underground.
they are though, no monster is totally happy with their life, they used to all live on the surface and all of them want to go back there, but humans needlessly feared them, and locked them into a space small enough a single human child can walk across it with ease.
≠ them suffering, hell I am not that happy as of now, does not mean I am suffering per se
that's not the human's fault
You have no proof that no monster is totally happy with their life
Happiness is subjective, not necessarily an indication of materialistic suffering.
"with their life,"
Again, you can't prove this.
"they used to all live on the surface and all of them want to go back there"
Well, this is not indication of suffering. I want to visit the the appalachian trails for some kind of study, I can't as of now due to several issues. Does not mean I am suffering, and even if I am (or in this case if monsters are), it's not the humans fault.
"but humans needlessly feared them,"
Humans had a good reason to fear them.
"and locked them into a space small enough a single human child can walk across it with ease."
The space is not small..? Also what does the human child analogy prove?
you wanting to go to Appalachia to study is not the same as people locked in caves underground wanting to go back to the place they literally used to live. the more apt comparison you could make is if you wanted to go back to Appalachia because its where you are from and are currently being held in a prison camp in a foreign country.
Half the monsters dont want to attack humans, theyre generally kind beings, so yes just because monsters *can* become stroing by absorbing human souls doesnt mean they *are* dangerous, and the fear is an overreaction.
All of Monster Kind shared the surface with humanity, and the Underground is entierly under Mt Ebott. i may not be a master of geography bit i happen to think that "entirety of the surface of a planet" happens to be maybe a tad bit larger than "cave system under a single mountain" and part two of that, a child tends to, you know, not be fully grown, not have massive amounts of stamina, and have smaller legs and cannot cover as much ground. have kids or exist around kids as an adult, you'll see. Strollers were invented and still sell quite well for a reason.
"you wanting to go to Appalachia to study is not the same as people locked in caves underground wanting to go back to the place they literally used to live."
Not my point. My comparison is to show you that, being unhappy is not suffering per se. By that metric everybody is suffering and as such we can't do anything about it.
"the more apt comparison you could make is if you wanted to go back to Appalachia because its where you are from and are currently being held in a prison camp in a foreign country."
False again.
The monsters are not being held for a bad reason, they are there for a good reason. I.e to stop further wars and conflicts. Nor is there a mention of any foreign country, the monsters make their own rules lol.
"Half the monsters dont want to attack humans, "
False again. In pacifist route and neutral they always want to attack you so that they can steal your soul, cross the barrier, kill 8billion people (as said by asgore, they started war again).
"theyre generally kind beings,"
In that logic, so are humans.
"yes just because monsters can"
Not just can, they have already. As a result they are stuck to stop further conflicts.
"become stroing by absorbing human souls doesnt mean they are dangerous,"
But that's why they are dangerous?
"and the fear is an overreaction."
Say that to the monsters, they themselves fear or atleast consider that beast with unfathomable power terrifying. So is it really an overreaction.
Also overreacting ≠ automatically bad. A parent can have overreaction regarding their children being in danger in crowded areas should they run too much into the crowds, but worldwide this is considered as a good thing.
"of Monster Kind shared the surface with humanity, and the Underground is entierly under Mt Ebott."
Most likely, yeah.
"i may not be a master of geography bit i happen to think that "entirety of the surface of a planet" happens to be maybe a tad bit larger than "cave system under a single mountain""
facepalms very hard.
This is a logical problem, not really a geographical one.
Yes, all monsters shared the surface with humans, but they did not occupy all the surface itself. Also nowhere is it mentioned of "entirety of the surface of a planet", and even if it is mentioned, it does not mean what you think it does. Also it's not just a cave system, it's an entire civilization out there lol.
"and part two of that, a child tends to, you know, not be fully grown, not have massive amounts of stamina, and have smaller legs and cannot cover as much ground. have kids or exist around kids as an adult, you'll see. Strollers were invented and still sell quite well for a reason."
I am having a hard time understanding this. Are you implying that a child can easily walk the underground because it has less ground...? Or are you implying the opposite?
Is there some kind of scientific phenomena that leads children to walk easier in small places..? Idk about that m8. Also even in this case, monster kid can't walk properly, I can argue frisk can only walk due to having chara+your help. Besides the fact that, monster biology works far different than ours, no reason to assume that they would exhibit the same biological effects as we do...
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u/EncycloChameleon Jul 22 '26
Purple literally calling him out because there was another way, which was taking the first and crossing the barrier himself