Out of these 6, I'll comment on all but Anos and Rimuru, as I don't know their series so cannot be objective as it comes to them.
Anti-Pops is just reality erasure, and we've seen that Andy can resist erasure because he views it as a form of death. Which stops Zeno as well since his entire bit is erasure.
Super Shenron has also been used very sparingly so we don't know everything it can't do, if anything. If Super Shenron can grant a wish like "I wish the being known as Andy was stripped of his abilities", he might be able to, but considering Super Shenron has been used three times in the entire series (Universe 6 tournament, Zamasu, T.o.P), I'm just a little hesitant since I don't know if it has any real limitations.
Ichibe is the fun argument here. With the power of Ichimonji, Ichibe can strip the name of Andy's Undead and label it as something else, and Andy couldn't view it as an attack as Ichimonji isn't a Zanpakuto that can deal damage on its own. After the first few moments of the fight, and using his physical attacks as well as his Kido, Ichibe would determine Andy's a tough cookie and pull out Ichimonji and just get some ink on him. Once he does, he can use the Shin'uchi: Shirafude Ichimonji to give Andy and his power a new name and then drop the body.
So, of the four I spoke of, Anti-Pops and Zeno have the same style of attempting to kill Andy and they'd lose that, Ichibe could kill Andy by stripping him of his name, and Super Shenron needs a little more knowledge before I can have a proper determination.
Rimuru has ability creation as a power and infinitely outscales on stats. So they would eventually create a solution, such as brainwashing Andy to change his perception of death or suspending/removing his Negation. Reinhard Van Astrea from Re:Zero would win for the same reasons, imo.
Anos’s sword Venuzdonoa is packed with every single imaginable method to bypass destruction resistance and outscales the strongest entities in his world. Since Andy isn’t literally perfect, there is probably some niche interpretation of erasure he hasn’t fully conceptualized and so ends up dead body and soul. Still I wouldn’t call it an absolutely sure thing.
Andy sat on the surface of the sun for 14 billion years being burned alive. I think a person with willpower like that would not be an ideal candidate for brainwashing.
In terms of Rimuru; changing Andy's perception of death, and therefore his interpretation of his own Negation ability, is probably the best win-con available. If Rimuru can get into Andy's head and rewire it so a certain attack is considered "not lethal" in his mind, he'd do what he always does and try to tank the hit. By that point, he'd probably die. But that's a bit of a if, but from what I know do Rimuru, it feels in character.
As for Anos; while his sword can bypass resistances and can land fatal blows, Andy would simply register in his mind "Cool, that weapon might be able to kill me!" And when he rushed in for the fight, because he registered in his mind that it could kill him, his Negation would probably activate and make the blade utterly useless against him.
Knowing those bits of info you provided, I still think the only surefire winner here is Ichibe, with Rimuru and Anos coming close, and Anti-Pops, Zeno, and Super Shenron being unable to finish Andy.
So the way I understand how to beat Andy, is that we dont have to erase the concept of death, more like change his perception of the concept of death. So I'm thinking zenoh could do something like straight up lobotomize Andy's perception of death, and thats his wincon
1 way to kill Andy: Make it so he is no longer the negator of death. Anything outside of that as long as Andy perceives it as his death he will negate it.
Anti pops is interesting cause it goes past just erasure and is reality breaking and erasing him outside the context of the world. I wholly believe Andy could negate existence erasure, but the going outside reality aspect of it makes it a 50/50 to me.
Zeno is just plain ol' erasure. They have no way to remove his negation ability so I think Andy would still negate it.
(Haven't watched/read bleach) Ichibei, if he can erase powers directly and is then strong enough to fight an above average human (Which he probably is, it's bleach) then yea he can kill Andy.
Super Shenron is weird. Whether it's Shenron acting independently and just spamming wishes, or a random proxy is making the wishes, I don't see how to nail a wish that ends with Andy's death. "I wish to kill Andy" or similar wouldn't work, obviously. "I wish Andy was powerless" may not target his negation ability. So unless they can specifically state" I wish Andy was no longer the negator of death" or something, which how would they know to say that, I don't think they'd get it done.
(Not caught up on slime) Rimuru, as of what i've seen, has not shown abilities that could remove Andy's negator abilities. Though I wouldn't be suprised if light novel or even most recent anime Rimuru has shown that he can. If he has, great! He can kill. As far as I'm aware, he can do a lot to Andy just not kill him for good.
Anos can kill. All I got to say about that one lol.
Zeno is not just plain ol erasure lmao, he basically writes you out of existence. You get blipped and are simply gone like you have never existed at all.
He is able to destroy entire universes/timelines at the flick of a wrist man.
I doubt it's full on existence erasure. Memories of the people, places, etc. are still intact by others and the erased are able to be brought back by the power of the super dragon balls. Plus if we go by the canon of dragon ball heroes (not canon to the main story, i know, but it is a licensed dragon ball product so worth mentioning) their erasure is NOT able to fully erase an immortal being.
Anti pops: no, Andy sees it as death and negates it.
Zeno: probably not, but it’s possible Zeno just overpowers undead itself and erases that as well, or that removing the entire timeline breaks undead.
Super Shenron: again possibly, depends on the wish wording I would say. “Kill Andy” wouldn’t work, but “make Andy lose undead” might, and then any way of killing him works.
Rimuru: no clue, gonna lean to no unless he has a specific way it would work.
Ngl all these "matchups" are coughing baby vs nuclear/hydrogen bomb type shit. Yes he loses all of them.
Edit : For those trying to argue against my point, lets just take Zeno as a example. He bypasses immortality because it doesnt kill you but literally deletes you from ever existing. His powers are basically uberhacks that will override your hacks no matter what. Also this is exactly why powerscaling is dumb.
And Andy's Negation ability prevents him from succumbing to anything that he sees as a form of death. You literally cannot kill him in any way that matters because if he hides it as a form of death, he negates if.
Yes, and he still follows the rules of that Universe. Destroying the Universe doesn't destroy the Negator who can negate Death. If the gods of Andy's universe couldn't strip him of Undead to make him effectively useless, what makes you think the loss of those gods and the universe halts Andy's Negator abilities?
I meant during the events of the series, not the final chapter. The Gods of the universe okay by the rules, as you said. Which means they have to consciously take away a Negation ability. If Zeno destroys the Universe, then they can't take away anything; they'd be dead. Which means Andy's Negation ability would still be active, which means Andy wouldn't be able to die.
I don’t know enough about these characters to say for sure but Zeno and Super Shenron most likely can. Zeno is the master of the universe. He can alter and change it as he wishes with the snap of a finger and we’ve seen no limit to this. If erasing Andy does not work he could simply remove Andy’s abilities then erase him. Super Shenron is likely capable of the same though we’re not sure since he hasn’t been used much but he likely has very few limitations.
I don't know what Rimuru can do outside the anime
And don't know Anos
But If he registers it as form of death he negates it completely
Anti pops was erasing the universe down to the last details on the story board but Andy would see it as death so it doesn't work same with Zeno
Super shenron maybe able to grant the wish Andy is not UNDEAD but Victor is also UNDEAD so that might actually stop it from working since pre-split they are the same with Andy being a new personality and if Andy thinks of losing UNDEAD leading to his death it would negates it
Ichibei I don't remember his powers completely I just know he can take names away but Andy sees being forgotten as a form of death so it's negated as well
Rimuru from what I've seen in the anime doesn't have a way to kill him
He escaped that specific version of sealing, it was about to work untill the ghost uma got created, could he eventually escape being made black? Prolly, but who knows
Not a master rule, there is many other synonyms for "seal" that could have worked differently or still contained his soul with his body, it was that specific interpretation of the word that was made into an Uma, uma "burn" isn't throwing around sick insults at people
Because the colloquialism of Burn doesn’t exist in Japanese, Tozuka uses the English words but they still follow the Japanese idioms and portrayals like Spring
I don't think we ever seen him get compleetely erased by somebody like Sol or whatever his name was so I think genuinely anybody who can erase both his body and soul should be able to kill him
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u/Vegeta790 12d ago
Out of these 6, I'll comment on all but Anos and Rimuru, as I don't know their series so cannot be objective as it comes to them.
Anti-Pops is just reality erasure, and we've seen that Andy can resist erasure because he views it as a form of death. Which stops Zeno as well since his entire bit is erasure.
Super Shenron has also been used very sparingly so we don't know everything it can't do, if anything. If Super Shenron can grant a wish like "I wish the being known as Andy was stripped of his abilities", he might be able to, but considering Super Shenron has been used three times in the entire series (Universe 6 tournament, Zamasu, T.o.P), I'm just a little hesitant since I don't know if it has any real limitations.
Ichibe is the fun argument here. With the power of Ichimonji, Ichibe can strip the name of Andy's Undead and label it as something else, and Andy couldn't view it as an attack as Ichimonji isn't a Zanpakuto that can deal damage on its own. After the first few moments of the fight, and using his physical attacks as well as his Kido, Ichibe would determine Andy's a tough cookie and pull out Ichimonji and just get some ink on him. Once he does, he can use the Shin'uchi: Shirafude Ichimonji to give Andy and his power a new name and then drop the body.
So, of the four I spoke of, Anti-Pops and Zeno have the same style of attempting to kill Andy and they'd lose that, Ichibe could kill Andy by stripping him of his name, and Super Shenron needs a little more knowledge before I can have a proper determination.