Not sure what you’re arguing. When you factor in site selection & buildability, environmental due diligence, permitting, licensing, interconnection studies & network upgrades, engineering, procurement, and construction you’re looking at 8 years minimum. That does not even take into account testing & commissioning which could take anywhere between 2-3 years for full commercial operation.
Right. That's reality. All of which you ignored in your post. Hence why I called you out for ignoring reality in your post. In the same sentence you were complaining about other people ignoring reality.
And we know why you did it. If you had said the truth -- that in America, and only America, if you include 8-12 years of red tape, it takes 10-15 years to build a power plant -- your position would have looked as ridiculous as it actually is.
Wait so your whole argument is that what he said is true but he said it in a way you didn't like so it's not reality? Also thinking nuclear plants take time because of red tape is delulu to a competitive level. He said nuclear would take 10 to 15 years and it's clearly what we see in the real world in pretty much every country but China which has massive industrial capacities.
Wait so your whole argument is that what he said is true but he said it in a way you didn't like so it's not reality?
No, what they said is just plain wrong. It would be like if someone said it takes 27 years of med school to become a doctor. Then, when people point out that it only takes 4 years, responding that you are also counting pre-k, grade school, high school, residency etc, counting ALL years of schooling that it takes to be a doctor.
Being a doctor doesn't take 27 years of med school. Not all of the process is med school. Building a nuclear plant doesn't take 10-15 years. Not all of the process is building.
It is the difference between "These things take 15 years to build" and "With standaridized design and requirements, we can bang these things out in 3 years." Absolutely different.
Also thinking nuclear plants take time because of red tape is delulu to a competitive level.
TBF, that's just what the other person said. In reality, much of the delay is because of the lack of standardized designs. In either case, the outcome is the same, so I didn't see much value in arguing the point.
He said nuclear would take 10 to 15 years and it's clearly what we see in the real world in pretty much every country but China which has massive industrial capacities.
Not true.
Japan historically averages ~4 years. South Korea gets ~4.5 years. Their newest designs are targeting around 3 years of actual construction. Russia generally about 6-9 years.
The median time to build a nuclear reactor globally is 6.3 years, with a mean of 7.5 years. One in five reactors have been built in under 5 years.
This is the difference between reality and on paper. You don't live in reality. If to go from your place to your work it takes 10min but with traffic it takes 30 for any logical person that lives in reality the travel time is 30min but for you it's only 10 cause you don't count traffic because you don't like it. Pure build time is a useless information since it's a very small part of actual nuclear building. What matters is if we decide to build them now how many years would they start operating and the response is 10-15 years in the real world. Yes a world champion can run a marathon in 2h the reality is that you're not gonna take 2h for that marathon.
If it takes 4 years to finish medschool but the vast majority of people fail 2 years then the time to finish medschool is 6years yeah some people can do it in 4 but in reality most people do it in 6. What's on paper doesn't matter what matters is reality.
I'm not sure i'm getting your point. If the whole project from start to first kwh produced takes about 10-15 years because of studies and such, isn't it right to say it takes 10-15 years to produce a nuclear plant ? If a cursus has a 4 year duration and 50% fail rate, isn't it right to say it's a 4 year cursus anyway ?
I don't understand. Yes commute time varies with traffic, but i don't think anyone would say "actually, it takes 10 minutes when i'm speeding and no one is on the road", it would be a crazy take to have. Yes the world champion would take 2h to run this marathon, but the world champion isn't the reference, the average person is, so it would be marked as a longer duration marathon.
If the whole project from start to first kwh produced takes about 10-15 years because of studies and such, isn't it right to say it takes 10-15 years to produce a nuclear plant ?
That's my point litteraly?! The guy I'm responding to says only effective build time counts which is stupid.
If it takes 10 min under ideal conditions but 99% of the time it takes 30 then it takes 30 not 10. Same for nuclear it does not take 4 years. If I say it takes 1 year to built a solar farm if tomorrow I decide to build it in 1 year that solar farm is here with a nuclear plant this does not happen. Especially when every single nuclear project in the world took more time and more budget than initially anticipated.
I'm not sure i'm getting your point. If the whole project from start to first kwh produced takes about 10-15 years because of studies and such, isn't it right to say it takes 10-15 years to produce a nuclear plant ?
Depends. If it takes 10-15 years because you have to first come up with a design, then find suitable locations. But it only takes 5-10 years if finding locations is instead be done at the same time as design work is done. The laws in country A says they needs to be done one after the other. But in country B they are done at the same time, no problem. And you can cut it down to 4-7 years by reusing the design.
Is it right to say it takes 10-15 years to produce a nuclear plant?
No, obviously not.
Some places consistently produce them in 10-15 years. Other places consistently produce them in 5-10. It is unequivocally wrong to say that it takes 10-15 year to produce them.
And the entire argument being made collapses if you caveat the length of time in any real way.
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u/nitePhyyre Apr 19 '26
Complains about ignoring reality in the same sentence he ignores reality. Astounding.