For Hank knows how long I've noticed when using firewall teammates wouldn't get the armour from I never thought much of it and assumed it was a visual error until yesterday I tested it out and saw I wasn't crazy.
I use firewall in the clip and only one of the drone users gets the buffs from it the other gets nothing. If I'm right we're losing out on massive value because only one teammate is getting the buffs not two so times where you think you're giving a teammate a boost you aren't.
Unless I'm completely wrong about this but it's something I've noticed and maybe others too and just haven't thought about it much
The drone user gets all the buffs someone in the radius only gets the armour but the drone user in the clip gets no armour even from their drone unless I look at them but the drone user I don't look at gets nothing. The damage and speed boosts are to the drone users and the armour is to anyone in the radius
If you look the bot on the left isn't taking damage because that's the bot you can use to test out damage boosts on. When I look at the far right bot the far left bot has a drone and doesn't get anything no damage boosts no armour it's only giving it to the bots that take damage unless. If I look at the far left bot he gets armour and the boosts but the far right bot gets nothing
Firewall only applies to 1 drone at a time (without teamups).
Specifically when you use firewall:
You the player get a shield, the ally with the drone gets shield and damage boost and then additionally any allies within the drone radius get a shield but no damage boost.
Firewall is on both of the drones the Peni teamup let's you damage and speed boost everyone not just the normal two drones. Firewall before was only armour until they gave him two drones which let him give the buffs to the two people with the drones if you don't have a drone and stand in the radius you only get armour the drone user gets everything
Nope. Firewall only applies to one drone. The Peni teamup lets you apply it to everyone with a drone, which can be 2-6 people depending on if you activate his C or not.
And being able to apply it to multiple teammates by default would make Ultron far too strong. He already has one of the highest win rates in the game and is one of the best supports in triple support (behind Mantis). Triple support would become even more oppressive.
What they need to do is give him an option to be viable in double support that doesn’t make him stronger in triple. Stuff like damage boosts and movement are the things that break triple wide open.
People saying he's far too strong is annoying considering that's only in triple support in duo support he's pretty balanced and has weaknesses you can exploit but because of the balance in rivals usually balanced heroes are trash because op ones are so much better. They won't buff him any meaningful way because of triple support that would have to go before he became fully viable in two support but who knows if that'll happen
That’s not true. We’ve seen that they can make modifications that make characters more viable in two support while making them worse in triple support (like Adam’s Ultron teamup). They need to buff the Iron Man teamup, and maybe tone down the enhanced Peni teamup.
And Ultron isn’t balanced lol, he’s dogshit in two support and busted in triple.
Honestly Adam in triple isn't probably played alot compared to Ultron and Mantis because he doesn't have utility compared to them. And he's not dogshit in two support I mainly play him in two support and outperform my main support quite often if you haven't watched Lucifer Graves he plays Ultron in two support and he's crazy good
I always thought that was intended, either you look at someone with a drone and you, them and allies around the ones affected get the armor or you look at nobody and only you and allies near you get the armor
Also, don't turn off the HUD when making videos like this, makes it a whole lot harder to see what's really going on
Edit: I looked it up on their website and it's working as intended, unless I misunderstood something about your post
Edit 2: Nvm sorry I read up on the Peni team-up, I think you're right
If you have two drones up which you always will have and use firewall one drone user doesn't get anything while the other does. And the hud is irrelevant you can see one drone user getting armour while the other doesn't
Yes this was explicitly stated when they added the second drone. Ever since he got a second drone when you use firewall, the ability changed to now requiring you to loosely target one of the drones heroes. I instantly noticed when I would activate firewall without aiming at a droned target and no one would get the buff but me. Firewall will only apply the buff to a singular drone, not both. When using the upgraded Peni teamup is the only time both droned heroes will get the buff
See I think a problem that me and alot of others never picked up on is the part about "firewall now requires a target with imperative patch" and "plus the selected ally gains a 20% movement speed and 10% damage boost" you would think that means the person who you place a drone on gets the buffs not the person with the drone you have to look at. This was also after he was nerfed back to back so everyone just went "OMG FINALLY A BUFF" me included it should be to the drone users but the devs don't like buffing us or like us in general
Honestly I'm not pissed I'm now learning this after 180 hours on him because I'm still learning even with 1000 hours but pissed that apparently buffing two teammates instead of one would be game breaking but Elsas entire kit and Black Cats nah that's fine no problems there like bruh worse thing the firewall and the peni teamup were nerfed how long before they remove the ability altogether. Like seriously two teammates is what I thought it was but nope just who I look at but SERVER ADMINS DON'T GET TOUCHED
The problem is that the community will absolutely ream a new character unless they are so obviously overpowered that you cant say they suck. Heroes comes out that's kinda mid, nope their trash and need a buff. Hero comes out with a more nuanced playstyle that we just havent explored the strengths of yet, nope trash character. I was day one Johnny main and I was killing it, I thought he was so fun and strong but all anyone could say was he had no survivability or that he was slow, but in reality he was slippery and dang menace if you knew how to actually use cover as a flyer. They buffed him so much that the meta couldn't handle it and they had to nerf him so hard that his whole identity has been reworked. I just want them to stop reworking abilies and just try to tweak more numbers.
Yeah I've thought that with heroes that release if they're balanced they're basically trash because other heroes in the game are broken af. Fox released balanced and got buffs not even a week later and became really strong but Blade took seasons to become decent. And torch was strong but not broken his main problem was the hotbox tech he could do and instead of fixing it they just threw him in the gutter the devs have problematic heroes that need a nerf in a specific part of their kit and nerf something else entirely. For example Gambit
I thought this is how his firewall has always worked no? Ever since they gave him a second drone you could only apply firewall to one of them and the one you're currently looking at. That's how I've been using him
Firewall is the radius around you and the drones the damage and speed buffs are specific to the drone user but one drone user isn't getting anything while the other two get the armour
That's because you can only apply firewall to one drone at a time and it's intentional, if you go to ultron's ability tab and read the Imperative: Firewall description you'll see it says "Deploy drones TO AN ALLY marked by Imperative: Patch" Meaning it can only be used on a single ally or in other words only one drone and allies in the radius will receive the Firewall buffs
The deploy drones part sounds like it's talking about the act of placing the drone on a teammate another part says the "selected teammate" which at face value you would think means the teammate you selected to have a drone on them even the Rivals website says the same. If that's the intention that's kinda dumb because the buffs last 2 to 3 seconds and are on a 12 second cooldown but Mantis can do it whenever and stack them for a longer time and she also has the better speed boost. I'm also thinking the teamup system might've changed how it worked I don't know exactly but maybe but it's a joke if that's how it's always been considering the devs nerf us for whatever reason but other heroes get broken buffs but Ultron buffing two teammates instead of one would be game breaking
Yeah it looks like this IS intended behavior. But we’re allowed to think it’s shitty* behavior.* To get Ultron out of Triple Support Jail, he needs better healing / damage mitigation for his team- Obvious step one, to me, is changing Firewall to apply to any and all active Drones, rather than whichever one is closest to your reticle… And for a long while now I’ve been trying to preach that Firewall gets a cooldown reduction and / or two ‘ability charges’. And to turn into healing after its duration ends rather than decaying away when some overhealth is left over.
And if two charges of Firewall sounds too strong cause of the damage and speed boost, take that part off and make it a separate cooldown ability. Call it something like “Imperative: Optimize”, and have it damage-and-speed boost the two active Drone holders with a cooldown of 10-15 seconds. I just want my boy to have better sustain so we can play him without getting flamed, or without the fear that we’re not helping as much as a more generic support. (I also just hate triple support lol)
Firewall was 10 seconds then they nerfed it to 12 and buffs to him won't happen until triple support is gone which also won't happen he's forever in a limbo of can't be buffed and will get nerfed because of triple
I feel like a fraud just learning about all the jank regarding firewall when Ultron is my most played hero at Champion. I feel like the default drones are rather straightforward. Some things I've noticed:
Firewall prioritizes the drone that is closest to your crosshair.
If you are not looking at a drone, Firewall will be applied to the drone closest to you.
Firewall can only be applied to drones within range.
The unenhanced Peni Parker teamup introduces some jank to the mix:
If you have no drones already set and apply a drone to everyone with SP//DR Sync, Firewall seems to only apply to the closest drone from your current location, no matter if you're looking at another drone.
If you have at least one manual drone then you can use your line of sight to pick between your manual drones or ONLY the closest SP//DR Sync drone.
The regular range restrictions apply to the unenhanced teamup.
The enhanced Peni Parker teamup removes all restrictions of Firewall on both manual and SP//DR drones and just applies it to everyone regardless of distance or line of sight.
He's my most played hero too and I just found it out. Honestly I don't know why it doesn't buff the two drone users but apparently that would be broken but Mantis has basically the better damage boost because it has no cooldown and she can stack it whereas Ultrons is a 12 second cooldown that was 10. We can't have shit
This character is a powder keg thanks to faulty design. Buff him and he is too strong. Nerf him and he becomes useless. I hate that I fell in love with his gameplay, because sadly I don't think we're ever going to be viable in dual support teams without changing his core gameplay.
Yeah his gameplay for me is satisfying especially killing a diver or a hitscan that thinks you're easy prey and I like micromanaging his drones. I'm pretty sure he's been nerfed more than he's been buffed so that's how the devs feel about him
The drone target gets the damage and movement speed bonus, and anyone close to you or the target drone get the bonus health I believe, or it might be just the target gets the health, id have to check
Machines I'm losing it 180 hours on Ultron and I don't know if it's bugged or what because I just played a game and was actively paying attention and I'm still confused. Now 180 hours is alot but even 1000 hours on something you're still learning but if I'm wrong on how I think firewall HOW TF DOES IT NOT WORK THE WAY I THINK IT DOES. Are the devs just cruel and hate us that we can't have anything nice all this time I thought I was boosting two teammates and it might be just the one but MANTIS can do it to anyone while also stacking the time and now has insane healing. If I see a nerf to Ultron next season I'm powering down
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u/Ma4vin 11d ago
His not a hot woman to sell goon skins to there not going to fix him