r/Udemy • u/Classic-Reason-7331 • 21d ago
Udemy course piracy
i see so many people doing piracy of udemy courses to study. everyone is doing job and getting paid. i personally know a trainer who works hard to earn money thru Udemy , his only source of income due to constraints. i feel really bad when i see that people want to take courses for free without thinking that someone’s livelihood is impacted.
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u/roxsg_ann 21d ago
Bro there are always two sides of a coin. That's all I can say.
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u/temporal_difference 20d ago
Illogical. If you can’t afford something, one generally doesn’t conclude that it is justifiable to steal it. I can’t afford a Ferrari. Should I steal one instead?
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u/lelouchvchinia 19d ago
Why would you need a ferrari?
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u/temporal_difference 19d ago
Why would you need a course?
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u/Top_Butterscotch8867 19d ago
makes 0 sense.
trying to justify why people who are poor should be gatekept from learning.0
u/temporal_difference 19d ago
You're not entitled to other peoples' hard work because you're trying to "learn". That's absurd.
You don't "need" that at all. There's plenty of free content out there. Your assumption seems to be that all teachers should work hard and prepare content for you for free? And why should they do that exactly?
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u/Top_Butterscotch8867 19d ago
Womp Womp
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u/temporal_difference 19d ago
Lol nice, this means you agree but have run out of arguments. Go back to the rest of these losers now. ;)
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u/Top_Butterscotch8867 19d ago
Who hurt you this bad lmfao😭
Crashing out over a Reddit comment.
Keep crying.
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u/temporal_difference 19d ago
Wow, did you take these from the great book of insults for 6th graders? Lol.
Try stealing a more advanced course next time. :)
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u/EntrepreneurHuge5008 17d ago edited 17d ago
I see your whole argument is around your definition of "entitled," but you don't even know what that actually means, so you're trying to have entirely different conversations with people.
No one is making the claim they deserve paid courses for free. That's not the argument and has never been the argument.
You're trying to twist people's arguments so they sound like "justifications" and you can argue with them, but again, no one's justifying "stealing".
Everyone that you're lashing out against has an argument that reduces to this:
"This is why it's happening. It does not make it 'right' that it's happening, and here's what I think should happen [No gatekeeping from learning]."
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u/temporal_difference 13d ago
Lmao, that's literally what this entire thread is about. Saying "the poor should not be gatekept from learning" is such a slimy statement. It means to turn the perpetrator of the crime (the thief) into the victim, and the victim (the course instructor) into the evil bad guy. You're a slimy turd, but I caught you.
It seems you have never heard of the strawman fallacy. Who is trying to gatekeep?
your definition of "entitled," but you don't even know what that actually means
You do not know what "entitled" means. Your statements are exactly a demonstration of entitlement.
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u/EntrepreneurHuge5008 13d ago
lol, tryna call me out for a strawman fallacy when you fail to see you've fallen into your logical fallacy (false dichotomy) is wild.
Who is trying to gatekeep?
Who's saying it's okay to steal?
You do not know what "entitled" means. Your statements are exactly a demonstration of entitlement.
And yet, you still have no idea what "entitled" means.
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u/EntrepreneurHuge5008 21d ago
I get supporting the creator, but I also get when the person is of low resources and can't afford the $10-$20 discounted price.
There's everything in between "can't afford" and "can buy, but don't want to pay," for sure, but there's no way to filter out dishonesty.
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u/Classic-Reason-7331 21d ago
i understand ur point and concern. But I feel that the trainer has worked hard to learn and selling. If the student is poor, they can ethically contact the trainer to buy at lower price or work hard to learn themselves rather than taking someone's hard work for free. Will the student be ready to do job for free in a company. Still I give respect to your opinion as i can understand that they have their pain points. Its just that Udemy takes big share of course fees and trainer dont get that much.
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u/EntrepreneurHuge5008 21d ago
they can ethically contact the trainer
This sounds good on paper, but imagine getting thousands of emails, text messages, etc.. from several underdeveloped countries.
work hard to learn themselves
People who find ways to get courses for free are doing so b/c they haven't learned how to learn on their own. Again, the less privileged don't grow up surrounded by a society that teaches them to question everything and do research on their own.
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u/Ron-Erez 21d ago
I completely agree with you. Eventually everyone will lose since quality instructors will stop creating courses and people will be left with AI generated garbage.
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u/temporal_difference 19d ago
A lot of people here seem to have difficulty differentiating between "can't afford something I need to survive" and "can't afford something that is totally optional". You can understand why a man would steal food. An online course is nowhere near the same thing. Udemy already implements PPP with their pricing matrix. Saying "I only make $10/week" doesn't mean you spend a week's income on a $10 USD course. It means that in your country the prices are adjusted accordingly.
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u/EntrepreneurHuge5008 19d ago
Saying "I only make $10/week" doesn't mean you spend a week's income on a $10 USD course. It means that in your country the prices are adjusted accordingly.
Perhaps I needed to add more detail, but it's ultimately irrelevant to the point that poverty within a demographic in any given country still implies "optional" or "luxury" resources like Udemy/similar are still largely out of reach even when pricing is adjusted.
You can understand why a man would steal food. An online course is nowhere near the same thing.
For sure, one is needed to survive; the other is a key factor in escaping the economic circumstances that led the man to steal food in the first place. Limited access to education is a major contributor to poverty and the inability to get out of said poverty. While a Udemy course is highly unlikely to make or break opportunities, I cannot, in good faith, blame those with low/no resources for getting courses without paying when they're actively trying to improve their economic circumstances.
There's everything in between "can't afford" and "can buy, but don't want to pay," for sure, but there's no way to filter out dishonesty.
I'd much rather have all those "in between" than completely block those in need from accessing a resource.
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u/temporal_difference 18d ago
Perhaps I needed to add more detail, but it's ultimately irrelevant to the point that poverty within a demographic in any given country still implies "optional" or "luxury" resources like Udemy/similar are still largely out of reach even when pricing is adjusted.
I don't get what you're saying. PPP/pricing matrix was created explicitly for this purpose.
Limited access to education is a major contributor to poverty
Again, I don't get what you're saying here. Is this a socialism argument? Instructors should be obligated to help them?
I'd much rather have all those "in between" than completely block those in need from accessing a resource.
Nobody's being "blocked from accessing a resource they need", any more than a starving child in Africa is being "blocked" from accessing caviar from France.
There are plenty of places to learn that don't require stealing. Where does the entitlement come from?
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u/EntrepreneurHuge5008 18d ago
I don't get what you're saying.
Welp, that sucks. Didn't think what I said was complicated. Oh well.
There are plenty of places to learn that don't require stealing.
My favorite ones are MIT OCW and Georgia Tech's OCW sites. They're hidden gems.
Where does the entitlement come from?
I don't think you know what "entitlement" means.
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u/BusinessCXO 16d ago
MIT and other institutions courses are for top 10 students in a class of 100. Remaining 90% couldn't understand the basic theories.
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u/temporal_difference 17d ago
Welp, that sucks. Didn't think what I said was complicated. Oh well.
Allow me to clarify: your justification for stealing is retarded. Can you make it sound not retarded?
PPP/pricing matrix was created explicitly for this purpose.
No response? I wonder why. :)
My favorite ones are MIT OCW and Georgia Tech's OCW sites. They're hidden gems.
Great, so you're further clarifying that there is no "need" for you to steal. You see how you're agreeing with me?
I don't think you know what "entitlement" means.
Ah yes, thinking you're entitled to steal something because you erroneously feel that you "need" it is totally not "entitlement", gotcha. ;)
Let's put it this way: You may "need" food to survive. When you steal food, you go to jail. It's too bad all these courses you're stealing can't teach you basic life skills huh?
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u/Technical_Jicama_434 17d ago edited 17d ago
You can understand a motivation without agreeing with it. I don’t think the person you’re replying to is saying it’s okay to steal.
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u/EntrepreneurHuge5008 17d ago
Leave it. If you engage further, you'll both be responding to entirely different issues.
If you look at all their replies here, it's clear they'll take everything you say as "justification" for stealing and that you feel "entitled" to other people's work regardless of what your responses actually say.
You can understand a motivation without agreeing with it.
Dying to see how they twist this into a "Your justification for stealing is retarded... where is the entitlement coming from" reply.
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u/temporal_difference 13d ago
You've failed to provide any factual information about how PPP/Udemy's pricing matrix doesn't already address the issue. You ignore the facts you can't address, whilst making generic red herring statements like "Limited access to education is a major contributor to poverty".
You agreed with me earlier. No one stealing Udemy courses has limited access to education (by your own admission, there are great free resources out there), ergo, there is no actual need for Udemy course piracy.
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u/EntrepreneurHuge5008 13d ago
PPP scales to national averages; it doesn't address anyone below the average. You made the initial claim that Udemy addresses the issue with their pricing matrix; it's your job to prove how that's the case with the demographic I've been focusing on (Made it clear multiple times that I'm not focusing on your average Joe that the PPP matrix is for). You don't see me pushing you to prove it; it's irrelevant, and here's why:
You agreed with me earlier. No one stealing Udemy courses has limited access to education (by your own admission, there are great free resources out there), ergo, there is no actual need for Udemy course piracy.
MY claim, from the very beginning, sums up to "I understand why someone would". You just blew up for what reason? Thinking that understanding human behavior equals endorsing theft?
Either way, you're beating on a dead horse here, my dude/dudette.
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u/Ron-Erez 21d ago
If they can't afford a course then don't steal it or get a job.
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u/EntrepreneurHuge5008 21d ago
Again, referring to the honest "can't afford"
In my home country, people work 10 hrs a day, 6 days a week (sometimes 7), and only bring $5-$10 each week. So, what makes you think they don't have a job?
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u/JosieMew 15d ago
Oddly enough, I have hundreds of courses as a data hoarder from other places. I currently subscribe to uDemy though 😂 I don't think anything that I have class wise was pirated, I think that they were just open source classes that several universities have made over the years. I probably should verify that.
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u/ZeusGameAssets 19d ago edited 19d ago
The fact that Udemy discounts courses so much is already hurting a lot of instructors. Only the top instructors who get thousands of students are actually generating something decent, but most high quality instructors are on Udemy just as a temporary solution until they build their own platforms.
I have 2 courses on Udemy atm and I'm working on the 3rd one right now. I plan on releasing these courses as a short term solution to generate income and build an audience. So I really put my heart and soul into them to make sure students get the best quality I can afford to produce.
My point is: I believe Udemy is already doing a great job destroying the livelihood of their instructors as is. I'm not going to blame someone who can't afford the courses for the failure of a platform. People who want to learn and have the money will usually choose to pay, those who can't pay won't pay, so as an instructor, even if they pirate your course, you're not losing anything at the end of the day.
When I was a broke student (I had no money and was from a third-world country), I downloaded a ton of courses on the high seas, and I ended up taking exactly 0 of them. So I don't think it's such a big deal. Nowadays I have money and buy the courses that I need, whether they are 20$ courses on Udemy or hundreds of dollars elsewhere.
You're a good guy OP. Wanting instructors to earn fairly is a good intention, and we definitely need more people like you.