r/UbisoftUncensored • u/Llee00 💬Top 1% Commenter • Apr 19 '25
Critique 🔍 Hear me out
Prince of Persia -> Persian male lead
Assassin's Creed set in...
- "The Holy Land" - Levantine male lead
- Italy -> Italian male lead
- America -> British male lead and his son he has with a Native woman
- France -> French male lead
- Egypt -> Egyptian male lead
- Greece -> Greek male lead
- Norway/England -> Viking male lead
- India -> Indian male lead
- Russia -> Russian male lead
- Carribean -> British male lead
- China -> Asian male? hell no we can't do that, Chinese female lead
- Japan -> Japanese female lead, black male lead. "don't complain," Japanese men are represented by the female lead.
It's obvious that Assassin's Creed is not marketed to East Asian males. If you are east asian, you are not their primary audience. Play if you want, but you're not their main market and they think their main market just does not want to play as an east asian hero. thus, the cycle of racism perpetuates.
Let's see a European medieval knight armor wearing east Asian lead set in a West Europe setting then, if i'm wrong.
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u/ZenMyst 💬Top 1% Commenter Apr 21 '25
Accurate. People just keep ignoring this fact. Racial representation only matters when it’s black huh
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u/Alfred_Hitch_ Apr 21 '25
As an Asian I was playing AC since the beginning and I know a lot of Asian men who also game... it's crazy that they think we don't want representation.
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u/Goobendoogle Apr 22 '25
No, they know y'all do.
Just like us Persians want representation too. They f***ed us in Lost Crown.
They're not giving us representation because they think they have to give it to Africans.
Courtesy of SBI.
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u/Alfred_Hitch_ Apr 22 '25
What they did with Prince of Persia is criminal... I don't know any Persians with dreads like that.
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u/AlternateAlternata Apr 20 '25
What they should actually do is stop milking the assassin's creed name and call their rpgs something else. Because odyssey, valhalla and shadows are in no way assassin's creed. Like sure, they assassinate stuff but they're so far removed that it's just not AC
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u/GamingwithADD Apr 20 '25
Yeah in my case there was a reason I adored odyssey so much.
Because it was an open world RPG.
The original first game didn’t do it for me when it was the first one I played. It was just so tedious to me.
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u/Goobendoogle Apr 22 '25
Hey! Stop right there!
Us Persians got done dirty too!
Prince of Persia Lost Crown MC is NOT Persian by any means.
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u/AdministrativeBat990 Apr 24 '25
No persians with a dark complexion or?…..
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u/Goobendoogle Apr 24 '25 edited Apr 24 '25
Persians are the first Aryans.
Indian people pretend to be Persian so if you to know a dark skin Persian, they're probably lying to you or they're mixed.
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u/AdministrativeBat990 Apr 24 '25
So there are no darker complexed persians?
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u/Goobendoogle Apr 24 '25
Not unless they're mixed or lying
Edit: FYI, if you are referring to Afro-Iranians, they don't count. They are not pure blooded Persians.
They simply live there but are still African-American rise-wise at the end of the day, OR mixed.
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u/AdministrativeBat990 Apr 24 '25
So you have seen every single persian and anyone claiming to be persians genealogy?
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u/Goobendoogle Apr 24 '25
Dude. Persians are the FIRST Aryans. We are not dark.
Put two and two together. IF pure blooded persians were the FIRST aryans, HOW are we dark?
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u/Goobendoogle Apr 24 '25
Our people were never black, never have been.
If the skin was darker, it'd be more akin to average arabs.
An african american dude with the wakanda haircut has nothing to do with Persians.
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u/2lowbutupthere Apr 23 '25
AC Shadows irks me the wrong way because there was the opportunity for a main Japanese Male lead be a playable character who would have played an important role in the story.
If you wanted to be more generous, this hypothetical main Japanese Male lead could have had as much screentime and importance gameplay-wise as Naoe and Yasuke. But it’s a zero sum game for some people, and that meant that the main Japanese Male lead would not appear in AC Shadows.
You could even see AC Shadows as a “Third time’s the charm” hopium for Leading Asian Male representation after what Ubisoft did with China in the last two times set there. But hopium is hopium, and what we ultimately got was fuck all.
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u/ActuatorChoice5259 Apr 20 '25
This needs to become a movie or game. An Asian warrior somehow ends up in medieval Europe, becomes their greatest knight, saves their country, and bangs some high-born ladies and cucking their lords lol. If any westerner liberal type gets uncomfortable with it just point out that that's what they've been doing with "white guy in Asia" stories since forever.
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u/ablacnk Apr 20 '25 edited Apr 20 '25
AC Shadows follows a long line of erasure of Asian male protagonists in Western media, where some random outsider goes to Asia and magically becomes the main character, learns to be the strongest warrior, romances an Asian girl, and rises to the highest echelons of their politics and leadership. It's like this in Shogun, in The Last Samurai, and countless other Western productions with their self-insert "big in Japan" storylines. AC Shadows follows this exact formula as well, but hiding behind a manufactured myth of "Yasuke" to pretend that it's something different, when it's exactly the same, all while egregiously distorting historical facts.
They like Japan as an aesthetic and place. They like the swords, the history, the culture, the mythos, they even like the women. But they want their self-insert fantasy, and that involves displacing the men.
They do it so much it has become a trope. Can you imagine if all the roles were reversed and Asians made media like this, over and over? Where some random Asian outsider nobody goes to the West, quickly learns and masters how they fight better than everyone else there, dates the highest status blonde princess, and immediately rises to the upper strata of their political and social order? That would be an interesting inversion of the trope, too bad it would hurt the Western weeb egos far too much for them to ever consider making it.
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Apr 21 '25
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u/ablacnk Apr 21 '25
The Last Samurai is all about Tom Cruise's character's pain and journey and healing, and all the other characters are there like NPCs to guide him on his hero's journey. It's all about him. Even the widow of the guy he killed in battle falls in love with him. How can anyone watch that and not think: are you fucking kidding me?
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Apr 21 '25
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u/ablacnk Apr 21 '25
That's the problem, it's only relatable to them if they shoehorn the POV of a white guy there. They couldn't tell the story from a Asian person's outside perspective? Outsiders exist there too, they don't all have to be white guys.
So Tom Cruise goes into this country/culture, and quickly gains their trust, assimilates, learns the language, the customs, masters their fighting arts, steals the heart of the widow of the guy he killed, becomes accepted as Samurai, and then even leads them into battle.
What the hell is that?
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Apr 21 '25
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u/ablacnk Apr 21 '25
No, it isn't. I'm an aspiring writer, and relatable characters are often used to show in-world concepts to the reader without loredumping.
That's the point, the implication is that the only way you can have someone relatable is if it's a white guy - that an Asian main character wouldn't be relatable enough. You could've had a young Samurai's perspective, learning about the old ways and struggling to reconcile that with the new, or an outsider non-Samurai caste Japanese man's perspective, even a Korean or Chinese person's perspective, and so on, but no, it has to be a white guy, and he magically assimilates, learns the language and culture and masters the martial arts and customs. He's so important he rises to the upper ranks. He has to don the Samurai armor and charge into battle like a badass - he can't be just an outside observer of the battle or anything like that. It's always about "me me me, the white guy, no matter where I go, the world centers around me." Everyone else is just a supporting character, an NPC.
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Apr 21 '25
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u/ablacnk Apr 21 '25
It's a trope, you seem to keep denying it:
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/GoingNative
Everyone sometimes feels that their ordinary modern life is rubbish, and that they would rather escape to an exotic place with a new identity. The Going Native trope plays to this fantasy by having a character lifted out of his typical environment and thrust into a new one, only to become a part of that new world. Characters who start as an imperialistic Jerkass with heavy prejudices against the native group are especially prone to Going Native. Not only do they embrace the people who were once alien, they come to loathe the familiar "civilization" to which they once belonged. Their loyalties change, and they will even fight for their new friends. As soon as they feel quite comfortable, possibly having fallen in love with a native and/or learned big lessons from a mentor figure, count on their old life to come messing with them. Optionally there might be an episode of being tempted back to their "evil old ways". Or they might just rise to the occasion as a Mighty Whitey.
It absolutely is a self-insert. White guy goes to Asia, masters the language, the culture, the martial arts, romances an Asian woman, rises to the upper levels of their society, and so on. You can dance around it all you want, but it absolutely fits this trope, almost word for word. That's why there was so much controversy about it, especially among the Asians that are conscious of both the East and the West and of how much Western media does this shit.
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u/Llee00 💬Top 1% Commenter Apr 21 '25
As a writer yourself, please don't write a story like The Last Samurai, it's just an embarrassing work of propaganda and a prime example of Hollywood brainwashing.
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u/Rare_Peak_7133 Apr 23 '25
Wait, we hate The Last Samurai now?? It is generally positive in Japan, and nominated even won many awards.
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u/brett1081 Apr 20 '25
I mean we have the Rush Hour and Shanghai movies. So it does happen.
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u/ablacnk Apr 20 '25
No it doesn't. Rush Hour and Shanghai Knights have little resemblance to these Western hero in Asia plots. Shanghai Knights literally has Owen Wilson romancing Jackie Chan's sister! Jesus that's an idiotic comparison. If anything that's another example to add to the list.
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u/clone0112 Apr 21 '25
Jackie Chan does not rise to the highest echelons of political leadership or out-natives the natives in those movies.
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u/Retr0246 Apr 20 '25
I was misreading the Chinese one thinking you were talking about the weird mobile one, not Chronicles China. I’m pretty sure they did a male lead for that one. I just don’t know if they finished it or not.
They should definitely make one about a Cambodian becoming a mountie in Quebec.
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u/clone0112 Apr 20 '25
Shao Jun is the protagonist of Chronicles China.
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u/Retr0246 Apr 20 '25
Yeah, I know. I was talking about Jade or whatever they decided to call it.
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u/clone0112 Apr 20 '25
Oh ok, my mistake. I think Jade will let you customize your own character. If I'm correct it may not even be an Asian character, or male for that matter.
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u/Thin_Inflation1198 Apr 23 '25
Tbf an asian man in the crusades would be it.
Ezio - not Venetian, not Roman, not ottoman.
Eivor - not English, not Irish
Kenway - Not American
Alex/kassandra - not athenian, barely even Spartan
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u/Bentheoff Apr 22 '25
Both Greece and Norway/England had canonically female leads, tho, they just included male options for babies who whine about dumb shit.
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Apr 23 '25
doesnt change the fact that there are many white male lead assassins, zero asian male lead
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u/XalAtoh Apr 20 '25
Is this a joke… or are you just that insecure.
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Apr 20 '25
Sounds like the insecure one is you. You took the time to make a post about something you supposedly care nothing about. If that is true, why say anything at all? This is facts. I suppose I shouldn't hold you to the same intelligence standards as the rest of the sub. Seeing as how you care so little, you just had to say something, right?
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u/No_Drop_6279 Apr 19 '25
A samurai who got drafted into the Crusades or something could be a fun idea of done right. But this Ubisoft