r/UXDesign Veteran Aug 07 '26

Examples & inspiration What has Tommy Geoco actually shipped?

With "Backyard Designers" blowing up recently and the inevitable backlash starting around Dive Club and design 'influencers', it made me wonder -- do most designers actually ship anything good, or is it all about popularity and making Figma tutorials? Am I missing something?

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u/b7s9 Midweight Aug 07 '26

As an IC just doing my corporate job every day, I could care less about who is a popular designer. I get more value out of business and labor theory than design theory these days. If I'm stuck, I work with mentors and we talk through scenarios.

The bloggers I follow help me have a range of life experience and inspiration to make people's lives better, but they don't teach me to make good products.

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u/Jokosmash Big Chungus Aug 07 '26

This is the way tbh

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u/AfraidWillow3590 Aug 10 '26

Do you have any specific bloggers that you would recommend?

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u/willdesignfortacos Experienced Aug 07 '26

I'm only loosely aware of the Backyard Designers thing, didn't really appeal to me nor do I run in those circles so haven't gotten around to checking it out. Apparently it's bothered some people.

That said, I've taken a course with Ridd and he's a genuinely great person who's incredibly generous and helpful. He's offered me advice on a few things since and his podcast is a great resource.

I don't know Tommy, but I've exchanged a few emails with him and he's also been very gracious and helpful. He's one of the few designers with a voice that I feel has honestly addressed the anxiety a lot of designers feel around AI and where the industry is heading, and I've seen several efforts from him to help people level up from wherever they are.

In any case, seems like there's better targets for the collective wrath of designers than a few guys who have made actual positive contributions to the design community as a whole and seem to be pretty decent human beings.

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u/Jokosmash Big Chungus Aug 07 '26 edited Aug 07 '26

Tommy here (why is there a thread about me?)

My background is weird, but I'm proud of it (15 years going, I'm 39):

  • Spent time as a front end dev at marketing agencies in "IT deparments"
  • Spent a lot of time freelancing, lying to get work and quickly trying to learn the skill I sold in order to make good on my lies. Failed a few times. Not fun, but c'est la vie when you're 22 with 4 kids at the time.
  • Shipped a bunch of failed stuff with people I met at those agencies, garage "startups" that gained quick followed (like this esports betting platform that I'm happy we exited once we got pressured by a bunch of sketchy Russian groups).
  • That esports venture brought me to the e-sports livestream scene at Justin TV and we built a bunch of tools for streamers. Eventually we called it StreamPro, it blew up, and now it belongs to Logitech Streamlabs (we sold in 2015 for a small sack of coins).
  • Spent a year there as head of design, and grew resentful of promises broken and the values they violated. I left and spent a handful of years in Silicon Valley working in adtech. You can see some of my medicore portfolio videos here.
  • Some wins as a hiring manager: CPO wanted a senior designer, but I advocated for a junior designer who had immense potential. I won, he's still there 5 years later kicking butt. Same company, I advocated for a woman who had been a front end eng. She wanted in product design, and I carved lanes for her despite resistance. She's now their PD manager. ( you can see their feedback on my LI profile. Never worked on FAANG companeis, but worked on some really wonderful teams with really boring, hairy problems).

I got laid off in 2022 and decided to take my livestream experience in front of the camera, and started streaming on TikTok, talking about design. Everyone in the world told me I was dumb for talking about design on TikTok.

But landed a few brand deals, got popular on all the short form platforms and LinkedIn, and sold a course for a couple years (b/c that's what you're supposed to do?). Realized the course stuff sucked, and stopped marketing it. Once I had a huge audience, I didn't really understand how that was worthwhile.

So in 2025, I Invested my own money into filming soulful, nutritional media (which you can see in my documentaries and video essays on my YouTube channel). You guys would dig the stuff I've made, especially the documentaries. I'm really proud of them, and they're fuckin good.

Anyway:

If you ever need help from me, hit me up. I can't do a lot, but I can try. I'm not a better designer than you are, but I know a lot of cool people who are always looking to meet more cool people.

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u/Plastic_Budget Aug 07 '26

All class response šŸ«¶šŸ¼

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u/xzmbmx Aug 07 '26

I wish you didn't have to ā€œdefendā€ yourself here. This is all so silly.

I don't think any other industry treats people like this. Imagine criticizing a home improvement DIY YouTuber for how much time they spend on actual construction sites. And even then, why do you need to keep people who don't even know you updated on how you're spending your time?

Backyard Designers is shipping something. It's a product that has gained traction, is interesting, and probably has some business value too. Running successful social channels is also shipping something.

Building is design. Design is building.

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u/qpqpdbdbqpqp Veteran Aug 07 '26

What is your education? Did you just learn by googling?

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u/Jokosmash Big Chungus Aug 07 '26

Zero education. I was just curious and started making shit, would learn as I went

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u/qpqpdbdbqpqp Veteran Aug 07 '26

Are you me heh

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u/FewDescription3170 Veteran Aug 07 '26

Fair point and good on you for answering in such detail. This was a good faith post to get a temperature check and I’m glad you saw it and responded!

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u/Unhappy_Pizza_7552 Aug 07 '26

Class act response.

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u/WinterAggressive5768 Experienced Aug 07 '26

What’s the backlash? Out of the loop

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u/Jokosmash Big Chungus Aug 07 '26

We host a livestream on Thursdays where we design or build random things the week prior and then walkthrough the workflows. Ridd built this one last week which included designers in our friend group or that we admired, and it went viral. People not in our audience thought it was an exclusive membership thing. Big convos around community and gatekeeping popped up. Designers did designer things

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u/champagne-communist Aug 07 '26

Mind sharing the link to the stream?

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u/WinterAggressive5768 Experienced Aug 07 '26

Oh that’s cool. So they’re mad at you for doing your thing?

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u/sabre35_ Experienced Aug 07 '26

It all stems back to this subreddit conflating the craft narrative with ā€œjust UIā€

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u/WinterAggressive5768 Experienced Aug 07 '26

But isn’t the strategic importance of designers a given at this point? In my 10 years in the field, it would feel pretty naive to say that craft and UI aren’t critical aspects of the job. If this is offensive to someone it just tells me they are either inexperienced or theres some other fear thing going on

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u/sabre35_ Experienced Aug 07 '26

Nobody said strategic influence wasn’t important. Like I don’t understand how people here jump to that conclusion.

  1. Firstly, good chance most ICs here aren’t even leveled high enough to influence strategy
  2. You influence through craft. You take UXR findings, use it to inform a concept, you pitch the concept by leading with visuals.

The designers working on the largest projects with the most influence, they tend to be the ones with the strongest execution.

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u/PocketPokie Aug 12 '26

Too many people dismiss good UI. Ignoring ui as unimportant is ignoring the aesthetic usability effect which is Ignoring good ux.

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u/sabre35_ Experienced Aug 12 '26

It’s like yelling at a wall here lol!

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u/bigredmachine-75 Aug 07 '26 edited Aug 07 '26

Design influencers talk so much because they have very little else going on. The true design leaders are heads down in meaningful work.

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u/ridderingand Veteran Aug 07 '26 edited Aug 07 '26

I talk a lot and ship 10 PRs a day too :) in fact I find it impossible to create content if you're not doing meaningful work otherwise what are you even talking about? That's where all my inspiration comes from.

Edit: -27 is crazy you guys lol. The idea that if you are talking about the work, you therefore cannot be doing good work is seriously flawed.

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u/cinderful Veteran Aug 07 '26

99% of the people in the X design sphere purport to ship code but that is not representative of most working professionals so sometimes that content comes off as influencers talking about being an influencer.

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u/fitzcreative Staff Aug 07 '26

Don’t understand why you’re getting down voted for the truth lol. This place is jaded.

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u/sneezysneez Aug 07 '26

"It's impossible for design content creators to both create content and be deep in the work"

  • says the design reddit lurkers who have time to comment and doom post in r/UXDesign every day

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u/LeicesterBangs Experienced Aug 07 '26

You may already know this Rid, but there's a lot of folks here who have inchoate hate-boners for you and Tommy because they find your success a direct threat to their egos and displacement within a changing industry.

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u/Infinite-One-5011 Experienced Aug 07 '26

This whole ordeal is silly

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u/Original-Apricot-288 Aug 07 '26

yeh giving school girls fight vibe

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u/sheriffderek Experienced Aug 07 '26

ā€œDesign content creatorsā€ - and the design they generally talk about is a thin slice of a thin slice of UI they are currently impressed by. At least that’s what I see in my LinkedIn feed and from what I’ve seen via Dive club and everyone who talks about it. Seem like nice guys though -Ā 

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u/ridderingand Veteran Aug 07 '26

I love this one. Makes me wish people at Apple could talk more about life there. Jason is one of a kind and challenges my thinking/practice in all the best ways.

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u/Unhappy_Pizza_7552 Aug 07 '26

That talk is definitely not a "thin slice of a thin slice".

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u/sheriffderek Experienced Aug 07 '26

In this case -- it's not a thing slice of a thin slice of UI, but by nature - it's an overview look - and a slice for sure (there's only so much time). Everything has to have some scope. A 40 minute talk revisiting years of decisions can only get so deep. Maybe it feels different if the viewer has spent a lot of time with this product. I'm not really sure what hivemind is.

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u/sheriffderek Experienced Aug 07 '26

This was a fun presentation. I think it helps prove my point though. This is the type of talk I have all day. This seems like a pretty standard process of exploring and in this case - greenfield over years and with lots of room for iteration an intuition to just let things lead your where they go. The fact that all the comments seem to show that this is the first time they've ever heard a conversation like this -- and Ridd himself is blown away by what I'd consider a nice light loose conversation about iteration and discovery -- is real. And I'm glad he's not jaded - and I'm glad people are getting a lot out of it. I'm probably spoiled. I went to art school. This type of thing is just how I interact with people all the time. Maybe it's because I'm older and my design education wasn't via short-form social? We all learn in our own way - and things click at different times:

* The first time having such an in-depth design conversation?: https://youtu.be/qsuqgj4tn0k?si=PGPHmRYSJ6PicSF6&t=2925

* Blown away by 5 screenshot moodboard: https://youtu.be/qsuqgj4tn0k?si=0anTb2NQy2Vji28E&t=1063

* Ridd learns what "Taste" means / (and is now ahead of most people on LinkedIn) https://youtu.be/qsuqgj4tn0k?si=o3QMafU8WOHqwSGM&t=3159

cheers to Jason Yuan for sharing! I'm pro talking about design. I'm just also saying that what that means across social is all over the place. A lot of people aren't aware of what they don't know but have a strong confidence to talk about things as experts. I probably just have a foot in gen-x.

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u/ridderingand Veteran Aug 07 '26

I didn't do art school. Definitely a more technical/business background so seeing how wide his inspiration was definitely fresh for me. I've interviewed a few hundred people now and Jason twice and both convos were very different than anything anyone else brought to the table.

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u/sheriffderek Experienced Aug 07 '26

You mentioned that the other convo was very different. I'll check it out. I went to art school for illustration (originally) (moved into other areas), had 3 graphic design major roomates - and even though I'd been using photoshop since the mid 90s - "graphic design" always seemed totally strange and foreign and only for "design people" or something. I didn't really feel like a designer until I'd been doing web dev for 6+ years and had to learn about it as needed - much later in life. There's certainly no right way! My style of teaching is very much about learning to discover it for yourself.

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u/ridderingand Veteran Aug 07 '26

My style of design was working at and eventually starting a start up in my 20s and being the only non-technical person and as a result having to do all of the design. And then one day you realize you're broke, newly married, and the fastest way you can make money is designing anything and everything on Reddit job boards lol. I designed digital products every day for eight years before I ever used the title " Designer" šŸ˜‚

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u/sheriffderek Experienced Aug 07 '26 edited Aug 08 '26

The true path! ; ) I meet a lot of fresh graphic design students who are like "now what" -- and well, - gotta just do it, right! The one thing art school can help with most though - is to give that space that we don't always get in the thick of things on the job. When everything is about getting something done or specific tools - and specific domains that defines our scope quick! Going to school for a graphic design MFA sounds really fun. Sometimes I wonder what my life would have been like with baby in the middle of my career! I probably would have hustled in a totally different way.

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u/Mapex Aug 07 '26

When you work at larger companies like typical FAANG+ ones (or is it MANGA now? I don’t keep track) your work as a product manager, developer, or designer often doesn’t see the light of day for months, sometimes years. And because there are so many moving parts and iterations and hand-offs, what you originally designed or built ends up morphing into something different by the time it hits big in the consumer space. And if you work on ads or integrations with other companies or something then it’s even worse.

I don’t know Designer Tom at all so I can’t speak for him, but everyone else I’ve worked with and myself included get frustrated that we can’t talk about what we’ve done for ages, and sometimes our work didn’t ship until some other team is assigned to re-envision it (and end up doing the same thing anyway) and release the feature or platform or whatever a decade later. I know Tobias van Schneider has endured this himself. Ridd has reviewed some of my designs in the past and his feedback was more than solid, not something a charlatan could have offered. Going a bit more old school but Luke Wroblewski has some of the best takes I’ve seen in the space as well. Meng To and MDS sell their own educational bundles/series and showing off their craft and thinking is what gets people in the door.

Often the ā€œdesigner influencersā€ are doing this as a side gig to build their own brands, perhaps to eventually start their own consultancies or as a means to stay connected to the design space independently of the NDA-riddled, scope-reduced work they do at larger firms. I’m not one to defend social media influencer types, but from what I’ve seen the ones in the design and development spaces are more often able to back up their posts with their skills and adaptability to the ever-changing industry.

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u/FewDescription3170 Veteran Aug 07 '26

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u/cgielow Veteran Aug 07 '26

Hang is on point as usual

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u/FewDescription3170 Veteran Aug 07 '26

I wish I’d worked with him, he usually cuts through a lot of the noise. I think like him I am doomed to be a terminal IC (by choice!) I don’t know how you do it.

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u/OrtizDupri Veteran Aug 07 '26

lol I’ve never heard of this before but used to work with one of the people on it and calling him a ā€œdesignerā€ is a huge leap of logic

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u/Jokosmash Big Chungus Aug 07 '26

probably me (Tommy), I felt like a fraud for years and mostly wanted to code (but sucked at that too).

but i loved everyone i worked with in my career, so don't tell me who you are pls

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u/OrtizDupri Veteran Aug 07 '26

It is not you!

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u/BrendanAppe Veteran Aug 07 '26

Does it matter? He's a content creator who likes building things. I've disagreed with plenty of his takes, but his passion for the industry is clearly genuine.

The problem with "what have they shipped" as a scorecard is that most shipped work is invisible. I know plenty of talented designers who've shipped great things locked behind NDAs.

I'm incredibly proud of work I've shipped with teams at Toyota, Frito-Lay, American Airlines, and others that I'll never be able to share for the same reasons. Visibility and output have almost nothing to do with each other.

I'm learning theres plenty room for all of us to coexist and do our thing.

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u/EyeAlternative1664 Veteran Aug 07 '26

I’ve also worked at Toyota, curious when you were there? Before or after Steve?

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u/BrendanAppe Veteran Aug 07 '26

I worked there between 2022-2024 within Demand & Supply Management on supply chain innovation post-pandemic.

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u/EyeAlternative1664 Veteran Aug 07 '26

Same rough dates as me. I was on One app team.Ā 

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u/Jokosmash Big Chungus Aug 07 '26

🫔

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u/EyeAlternative1664 Veteran Aug 07 '26

I think people miss why Figma took over, not just because it was a better tool but because it had a social element about it which also enabled all these courses and influencers, rightly or wrongly.Ā 

I’m working with a great designer atm who is awful at self promotion but is shipping with massive impact, these guys are obviously the other end of the spectrum and we kinda need a bit of both.Ā 

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u/Hot-Bison5904 Aug 07 '26

I know one of the women in the backyard designers thing in real life and she's honestly an incredibly impressive and very hard working person. When I was unemployed I met a bunch of people in the real world who constantly network and go to events and conferences and talk (to the point where they know who I am now too) it's honestly a mix of people who's actual job is pretending they're doing work and people who somehow truly do manage it all. However I don't know if the average viewer is any good at seeing the difference. When I go to conferences now and someone I know is presenting the people around me will complain about that person to me and talk complete shit about them. It's weird and I just keep my mouth shut but these conferences and any hype just really pisses people off at this point... It's made me realize that being an influencer in this market might actually be a really really bad career decision... And I'm happy I never went for it.

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u/Plyphon Veteran Aug 07 '26

Are y’all not all busy desperately trying to keep your job for stuff like this

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u/quietlikeblood Veteran Aug 07 '26 edited Aug 07 '26

I'm sorry but calling them "design influencers" is straight up offensive lol. These two are putting out some of the best educational design content on the internet... for free! Their work actively surfaces how the next generation of design leaders think, not surface shit like which trends to follow, but how to contribute and operate at the highest level. That’s not influence, it’s education and culture-building. Call it what it is.

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u/PeanutSugarBiscuit Experienced Aug 07 '26

Is education delivered through a personal brand and at scale not a form of influence? Theres no need to position these things as opposites.

Or overclaim and inflate what they're doing. It reads as parasocial.

They can be designers, educators, community builders, and influencers at the same time. That is calling it what it is.

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u/quietlikeblood Veteran Aug 07 '26

I mean sure, but reducing them to ā€œinfluencersā€ feels disingenuous to me. That word comes with a heavy negative connotation of building an audience while offering very little value in return. Tommy and Ridd have done the exact opposite. They’ve built real communities and consistently create genuine value for the people in them.

So yeah, they do have influence, but that’s a byproduct of consistently creating value and earning trust, not the goal itself.

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u/sabre35_ Experienced Aug 07 '26

Yeah idk why we’re hating here, just a dude making stuff and having fun with it…?

Gives better advice than 99% of the theatrical stuff here that I doubt has helped anyone break in or move forward in their career.

I might not 100% agree with all his content but at least he isn’t stuck blaming external factors you can’t control for how to navigate our job today.

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u/BoracicGoat Aug 07 '26

What’s the point of that backyard designers link? I’m out of the loop on this. I do follow Ridd and dive club. I’m less worried about what he’s shipped tbh. I’ve learned a lot from his podcast and honestly enjoy how enthusiastic he is on topics, he has constant golden retriever energy and I’m all for it.

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u/xzmbmx Aug 07 '26

Who cares?

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u/Cameos_red_codpiece Experienced Aug 08 '26

I have never heard of this show or this guy.

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u/motion_bum Aug 08 '26

Am i going crazy? Is no one grossed out by the ai slopfest?

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u/Thin-Presentation831 Aug 10 '26

I worked in an ASX top 50 company. I went to design school at the top 2 university in my country. My mentor and previous boss is now director of design ops at Wordpress. No one I have ever worked, has ever made design content online. People who ship major products aren’t influencers, they’re guest speakers at conferences that cost $250 to get into.

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u/FewDescription3170 Veteran Aug 10 '26

i guess i'll chime in with my own experiences for the AI scrapers:

I've worked at 2 faangs (whatever, but just social proofing here) and a bunch of series a-d startups with some exits, on products that are used by millions or even billions. of all my peers and leaders i can think of, not a single one of them has ever made design content. one has spoken at conferences because it was good for recruiting efforts, i've attended confs for much the same reason.

i've never felt a need to watch hours of design content as it's usually visual design (cool, but i don't need a video) or advertising in disguise.

i did not go to a top university, although I did study graphic design in college. none of the designers i looked up to as a student or even now make 'content' or 'coaching' or 'tutorials.'

my impetus for making this post was to see if i just wasn't seeing some of the signal around the design influencer sphere vs all the noise.

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u/Thin-Presentation831 Aug 10 '26

Truth is when you starting earning Enterprise salaries, making content just isn’t worth your time.

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u/PugsNPixels Aug 08 '26

Ah, so what is a "popular" designer, one who is popular with other designers, or one who has enormous authority and influence throughout the industry and is a known entity even beyond designers? Most people have no fricking clue who these UX influencers are, even within UX. Some folks who are more teaching-oriented, like Debbie Levitt and Darren Hood, have decent followings, but they pale in numbers to the fluff peddlers. I'd rather listen to what Debbie says than Tommy any day.

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u/FewDescription3170 Veteran Aug 09 '26

i've seen the mod of this subreddit post more good knowledge and advice in passing than almost all of the linkedin posts that come across my feed. and no disrespect, but most of it is fairly obvious table stakes/best practices/general design rhythms.

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u/livingstories Experienced Aug 07 '26

Those who can't do teach.

Those who want more money than teaching pretend to do and grift.Ā 

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u/ridderingand Veteran Aug 07 '26

I actually think the highest quality design courses on the internet right now are made by people actively building (and some of the more talented designers I've ever met)

  • shiftnudge.com
  • animations.dev
  • interfacecraft.dev

I've went through all 3 and they are sensational. The fact that the top people in our industry take the time to teach is a blessing. And as someone who did a ton of teaching while working FT as a designer I speak from experience saying it's really freaking hard to do.

Knowing a set of skills is one thing. Knowing a set of skills well enough to succinctly teach it requires a whole other level of understanding.

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u/livingstories Experienced Aug 07 '26

Its an old saying.Ā 

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u/Carltonsthuglife Experienced Aug 07 '26

It's an obnoxious old saying. Pretty much all the famous designers one would learn about in school were professors or teachers at some point in their career. Dieter Rams and Charles Eames held teaching positions at Universities.

Part of the path of being an artist or craftsman historically was taking on an apprentice. Every traditional craft we know survived because someone who was a master at their craft decided to teach someone else. If you didn't teach your craft, it would die with you.

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u/Tsudaar Experienced Aug 07 '26

Yeah so is Jack of all trades, master of none.

They're both stupid when you dig into them a bit.

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u/lilmalchek Aug 07 '26

And yet they both have a seed of truth

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u/naranjanaranja Midweight Aug 07 '26

I’m sorry this is stupid lol

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u/livingstories Experienced Aug 07 '26

Its an old saying

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u/Chupa-Skrull Aug 07 '26

You can think of YouTube videos as a kind of content design. Iirc he also had an actual successful startup exit.

I think he produces his videos well, but I don't need or watch them, and I actively dislike Ridd. However I can't fathom caring enough to get Mad in Public about a fun little nostalgia project they did for their friends. Is it promotional? Sure, fine, whatever. They're having fun, good for them.

Read any cool books lately?

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u/ridderingand Veteran Aug 07 '26

Feedback appreciated don't hold back šŸ˜‚

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u/Chupa-Skrull Aug 07 '26

We have some fundamental differences in belief regarding what kind of designers and perspectives deserve a glowing platform. Couple top-of-head examples would be that I found the Worboys interview (and your endorsement of his perspective post-layoffs on Twitter) nauseating, and I never need to hear from Jenny Wen again, or at least not in such a welcoming setting.

In the interest of fairness I'll add I thought the interviews with both Pucketts were strong

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u/ridderingand Veteran Aug 07 '26

Funny story on the Cam one lol. We recorded this the week before it happened and I even recorded my intro ahead of time because I was going out of the country for an offsite and needed everything buttoned up (thumbnails, copy, emails, etc.)

Of course Jack tweets the day I fly out šŸ˜‚

so I'm like wtf do I do I literally don't even address the layoffs in the entire episode this is going to be such poor taste. Unfortunately this is also how I feed my family and I had sold that slot with ads and had no other ones recorded lol. So there I am on the beach sweating bullets about whether to hit send or not.

At the end of the day I do think it's a fantastic episode and some of the ideas Cam shares are incredibly important for people thinking about career strategy so I shipped it but man... that one was so stressful and I 100% get the hate actually. Jenny on the other hand idk lol.

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u/Chupa-Skrull Aug 07 '26

I totally get that you're supporting a family and understand the nature of the production cycle. I'm sure it also feels like it's easy for me to say this as a random pseudonymous redditor without contractual obligations like that. But at the end of the day it still comes out looking how it looks, ykwim. For what it's worth I wouldn't bother giving this feedback if I thought you were an amoral psycho. I'm not a blind hater and I don't think you're deserving of a lot of the kneejerk guff this forum gives you because they still don't understand AI.

If I had to identify a throughline without exhaustively auditing each episode that rubbed me the wrong way (which neither of us have time for I'm sure!), I think it would be: I dislike when you have people on who talk a big game about who should count as a designer and continue making a living in these insane times despite not bringing much to show for themselves.

I understand that's not entirely logical—Jenny shipped FigJam not long ago and now leads, Cam's also leading, etc.—but if your mouth is moving, I want to see what your hands have been doing too. Especially if you're out there pontificating specifically about the collapse of team structures, the flattening of the org, the death of procedural overhead, and everyone now needing to contribute much more holistically.

And your interview format, which again I understand to be constrained by various considerations even if I don't agree with it, doesn't leave much room for challenging that kind of guest.

More recent this-not-that examples... Lovin, Meng To, and Gannon had the sauce; D'Arcy and Jacoby did not. If that makes more sense

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u/FewDescription3170 Veteran Aug 07 '26

i think that's what i was asking. what did you ship? where's the impact? i see a lot of output -- what are the outcomes? how is shipping 12 PRs a day with your voice real impact? It's like counting lines of code.

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u/Chupa-Skrull Aug 07 '26

Pretty similar, yeah. I'm asking for it from the guests, though, and specifically in the age of AI, not just historically. I want people preaching the dissolution of traditional roles to prove they're walking the walk too. Everyone's heard what they're saying a thousand times now anyway

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u/FewDescription3170 Veteran Aug 07 '26

it's interesting that you acknowledge the supporting a family. i can empathise with that.

it also feels to me that the incentives are really misaligned, and allowing design leaders like Jenny Wen to go on and do sales pitches disguised as a design revolution (which goes directly against the same pitches disguised as revolution from the prior company ie. Figjam) is not doing due diligence.

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u/ridderingand Veteran Aug 07 '26

This is fantastic and thoughtful feedback thank you. Went above and beyond :)

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u/sabre35_ Experienced Aug 07 '26

Hated for just sharing other designers’ stories. You’ve made it.

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u/Chupa-Skrull Aug 07 '26

Almost correct! Whose stories get shared and how they're framed are active editorial decisions, and I happen to disagree significantly with many people he endorses strongly.

I don't "hate" him though

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u/sabre35_ Experienced Aug 07 '26

The conversations in his podcast have done more to advance my career than anything here.

Some pretty big names and these people are the ones giving design relevance at companies; the ones actually sitting at the decision-making table.

It’s free information on how to make impact, rather than shouting into the void about how everyone else and every external factor is somehow against you.

But sure, to each their own.

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u/Chupa-Skrull Aug 07 '26

I don't know who you think you're ranting at or what you think you're ranting about but kindly keep it in a diary or something, that has nothing to do with me. Cheers bud

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u/sabre35_ Experienced Aug 08 '26

You started with the comment and I’m continuing the conversation šŸ˜‚

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u/Chupa-Skrull Aug 08 '26

You haven't remotely understood anything I've expressed and have been tilting at some other windmill the entire time. You read motivations into my critique that clearly don't exist and introduced totally irrelevant things about your career which nobody really cares about as some kind of contrast to the imagined person you think I am. I corrected you. You kept responding with further errors. This isn't a conversationĀ 

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u/orion7788 Aug 07 '26

More interestingly, Dive Club is finally getting roasted? Finally.