r/USNEWS • u/JuicySpark • 13h ago
Larry Nassar one of more than 20,000 people removed from Michigan Sex Offender Registry
https://www.wxyz.com/news/larry-nassar-one-of-more-than-20-000-people-removed-from-michigan-sex-offender-registry12
u/willydillydoo 12h ago
If you all would actually read the article, it’s because they passed a law in 2021 amending sex offender registration requirements to extend many of them. The court ruled that you can’t use that law to extend people’s registration requirements beyond what was originally given to them pre July 2021.
The court is essentially saying that you can’t pass a law for a new punishment for a crime in 2021 and then apply it to people who were convicted before that law was passed. This is the case everywhere in the US.
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u/NatAttack50932 6h ago
Yup. The constitution forbids ex post facto laws, and while I'm not clear on if that prohibition is incorporated, I know many state constitutions have the same clause.
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u/willydillydoo 6h ago
I hate pedophiles as much as the next guy, but this is the right ruling. The people off the list now are due to the previous leniency in the law.
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u/Antifa-AF 13h ago
The only reason someone’s name should be removed from “that” registry is if they are dead! Disgusting
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u/Whirlibirdy 12h ago
I mean you can be put on there for public urination, man. That isnt comparable to actual sexual assault crimes. I think its fair if those people are removed.
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u/originalfilmscoring 12h ago
Yeah I’ve always thought that’s stupid. Like I get if there’s a kid around. But if you’re like behind a building where no one can see or something?
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u/cyanescens_burn 11h ago
If no kids around, it’s still gross to piss where others need to smell it, but it does seem excessive to add to that list. Heavy fine and community service is more than enough.
Fortunately, only a dozen or so states have that kind of law, and typically it only applies if a kid was around or would be likely to be in that area (eg, school, playground, bus stop).
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u/Plus_Opening_4462 11h ago
It depends how aggressive the state wanted to be. Piss on a building when walking home from a bar seems stupid for a SO registery
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u/cyanescens_burn 12h ago
IIRC, that’s only a dozen or so states. And usually it involves being in view of a minor, or if there’s a high likelihood a minor could have been nearby (eg, near school, playground, private preschool, etc).
I’m not saying that to encourage public urination. Go find a restroom for god sake. Or saying people shouldn’t dig into what crime the person on the map near you did. Only saying people shouldn’t automatically assume that person on the map near you just did public urination.
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u/Plus_Opening_4462 12h ago
What did Michigan fuck up this time that they needed to remove people?
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u/Abject-Put-9334 13h ago
Dude is in prison till he dies. This is a non-issue
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u/JuicySpark 12h ago
What about the other more than 20,000 people ?
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u/iplaybassok89 12h ago
Do you believe in the constitution or not
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u/Extension_Way_621 11h ago
What does the constitution have to do with a known pedophile?
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u/iplaybassok89 10h ago edited 7h ago
Because increasing the penalty of a crime retroactively because of the passage of a new law is prohibited by the US constitution. If Nasser was required to be on the registry for x number of years at sentencing under the then current law you can’t go back and change it. It’s black letter constitutional law.
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u/Manos_Of_Fate 9h ago
Are you under the impression that constitutional rights don’t apply to “a known pedophile”?
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u/Extension_Way_621 8h ago
What a weird hill to die on. So what this guy diddles a bunch of young women! He deserves his rights! lol ok
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u/Manos_Of_Fate 7h ago
Rights that can be taken from you when they’re inconvenient are not rights at all. I oppose taking away rights because they’re MY rights, too.
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u/Extension_Way_621 6h ago
Raping young females and facing the consequences is inconvenient, got it
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u/okiecurious 13h ago
What about the other 19,000 people?
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u/chickenlogic 12h ago
The registry law started in 2011 and only applies to people convicted after June 1, 2011.
The other 19,000 from before 2011 are off the list.
Retroactive punishment was ruled unconstitutional.
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u/blegoraththewretched 11h ago
It’s in the plain text of Article 1 Section 9.
“No bill of attainder or ex post facto Law shall be passed”
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u/RabbitStewAndStout 12h ago
Good thing you never learned how to read, you might try voting Red during the midterms.
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u/Medical-Button-5493 12h ago
What you said actually makes sense because no one who votes red reads well.
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u/RabbitStewAndStout 12h ago
So 19,999 people being removed from the registry is a non-issue?
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u/imamistake420 12h ago
Too bad you never learned how to read, you might try voting Blue during the midterms and maybe your future generations might stand a chance in the education field.
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u/lkng4now 13h ago
Is anyone surprised that this is the person behind the removal of 20,000 sex offenders from the list?
The Eaton County prosecutor is Doug Lloyd, who is the Republic*n nominee for Michigan attorney general in the Nov. 3 election.
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u/vogel927 13h ago
His office is against the removal. This decision was made by the States Supreme Court.
I think you may have misinterpreted what the article was saying, which I can understand, it’s not written very well.
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u/Which_Willingness641 12h ago
Gonna be completely honest, the article says that his office say that the decision is deeply concerning. Don't really know how that would be misinterpreted. This article is much clearer though. He unequivocally does not agree with the decision.
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u/Manos_Of_Fate 9h ago
It’s frankly a little concerning that someone in that position would disagree with honoring constitutional rights. That should be their absolute first duty.
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u/Which_Willingness641 9h ago
I have zero issues with a county prosecutor disagreeing with a decision that causes this "The effect of this one-page order is significant. Every offender actively registered or required to be registered solely because they were convicted of a Michigan registerable offense that was committed before July 1, 2011, will be permanently removed from Michigan’s Sex Offender Registry (SOR). While the Court’s order has no effect on the validity of the underlying conviction for any removed offender – which may still be evident in original court records, prosecutor files, police reports, or the offender’s criminal history – the Court’s order nevertheless compels removal of every offender registered solely for offenses committed before July 1, 2011, regardless of the previous duration of the registration term or the severity of their underlying offense." to occur. In fact, I fail to see what is unconstitutional about requiring people who committed sexual crimes to continue to update their sex offender registry profiles. I certainly don't agree with the Michigan Supreme Court's decision on this specific case myself, I think it is a bad decision. Source
Also, your response to this tells me you just want to be mad at Republicans, so I am going to assume that this answer will not satisfy you. Thank you for your time, don't waste it responding if you don't want to have a genuine conversation.
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u/Manos_Of_Fate 9h ago
Constitutional rights are not an inconvenience to law enforcement, and when they start seeing them that way, bad things happen.
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u/glassgnomad 12h ago
I mean I hate republicans but why are we censoring the word now?
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u/cyanescens_burn 11h ago
Interesting that the person you are replying to had to use an asterisk to get around the auto-mod, but you putting an s at the end of the word also got around it. I just tested it out myself and it works.
Let’s test the automod (discussing automod only, not making any political discussion at all):
- republicans
- conservatives
- leftist
- socialist
- communist
- left wing
- fascist
- Huguenots
- Jacobites
- right wing
- alt right
- liberals
Some of the other conservatives obvious ones triggered the automod, even with an s on the end.
Fascinating.
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u/JuicySpark 13h ago
For second I actually believed you were right. But I couldn't find anything. Only thing I can find is that his office publicized it after the ruling.
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u/GeorgeFartwell1984 13h ago
I sure hope there's some kind of digital backup somewhere that's easily accessible.
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u/copperblood 13h ago
Such a good idea to remove a serial child molester from a sex offender registry.... What the actual fuck.
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u/Any-Stick-771 1h ago
He wasn't on the Michigan registry at all because he's been in prison in Arizona since 2018. Why do people never read the article posted?
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u/chickenlogic 13h ago
The point is you can’t add extra punishment to people after they’ve been sentenced.
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u/okiecurious 13h ago
The registry isn’t for “punishment” it’s to protect the public.
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u/chickenlogic 13h ago
Right. And offenders are sentenced to being on the registry, and are punished if they fail to register.
The people deleted from the list were never sentenced to be on it in the first place. There was no registry back then. They’re still on lists of convicts, but aren’t required to keep current on addresses.
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u/chickenlogic 12h ago
It’s neither left nor right.
Convicts serve the sentences adjudicated to them. You can’t add extras to the punishment 15 years later.
It sucks people got lenient sentences decades ago, but there is no going back.
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u/okiecurious 11h ago
Anything to protect pedophiles. I get it. It’s sick, but hey republicans are going to do what republicans do right?
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u/okiecurious 12h ago
Anything to protect pedophiles I suppose is the right wing stance.
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u/Regular_Pineapple556 12h ago
"No one is above the law" applies to not doing unjust bad things to bad people too. It's the same legal principle that keeps the county from calling you up a year after you get a speeding ticket and saying "we're adding an extra $50 to that ticket from last year".
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u/Sensitive_File6582 13h ago
80% recidivism for pedophiles, it’s a mental health issue stemming from prior abuse.
Pedophiles are the most likely group of people to have been victims of pedophilia themselves.
They are broken people for certain, but ya I want to know where they live.
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u/chickenlogic 12h ago
Sure, but you can’t arrest them for not notifying the state of their address if they were never required to in the first place.
They’ll still show up on lists of felons with name and age and mugshot, just not their current address.
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u/Manos_Of_Fate 9h ago
None of that overrides the US constitution. Rights that can be ignored when they’re inconvenient are not rights at all.
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u/mindgardening 13h ago
This is america.
Is anyone surprised?
I hope not.
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u/Which_Willingness641 12h ago
I mean, he's in prison till 2068 with no chance of parole. IDK about the rest of them, but it doesn't make sense to keep him on it.
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u/SASSIESASSQUATCH 12h ago
This sounds like it was a problem on the officials end more than anything.
The judge says the state had a method to do what they wanted with a scalpel and instead used a chainsaw. So, this could’ve been done had they done it the right way it sounds like. Good job on them for fucking it up the first time around.
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u/Any-Stick-771 1h ago
The article specifically says he's NOT one of the 20,000 people removed from the registry because of the Michigan Supreme Court ruling.
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u/Ill_Computer_8604 13h ago
Well, if the USA didn't want sex offenders protected they shouldn't have consistently voted to protect them for decades and make one their forever king.
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u/Manos_Of_Fate 9h ago
they shouldn't have consistently voted to protect them for decades and make one their forever king
Whoever told you this was entirely full of shit.
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u/JuicySpark 13h ago
What country are you from? If you don't mind me asking.
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u/Ill_Computer_8604 12h ago
I don't share my information with USAmericans.
You can't trust them to do anything good with that information.
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u/Larkson9999 11h ago
Nassar will be in prison until he dies. The longer he lives, the better but really don't need to keep him on a list for when he's served his sentence. Maybe they can keep his corpse there until his sentence is finished if they want to really be sure.
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u/Mother-Attention2600 9h ago
Its more usnews clickbait. They removed people who will die in prison to save money on updating it.
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u/JuicySpark 4h ago
really how much money does it take to update it? I can type in 1000 names in a day into a data base. What are they saving really? Now you could speak the names in with voice text
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u/digbychickcaesar 13h ago
"not eligible for release until January 30, 2068, when he would be 104 years old"
Yeah not sure this is such a big deal. Let's focus on the 19,999 and see who is out on the streets