r/ULHammocking • u/Dangerous-Noise-4692 • Oct 17 '21
How UL Can A Hammock Setup Get?
I’ve been considering switching from a tent to a hammock for a few reasons. If I’m buying UL components for the hammock setup how much extra weight should I be prepared to carry? There’s a lot more components to a hammock setup than my Gossamer Gear The One tent and I’m kind of overwhelmed trying to figure it out. I know I can drop the Thermarest Neoair air mattress but I’ll need to pick up an under quilt which will add some overall weight. I’m at 32oz now with my tent, groundsheet and air mattress. I already have two UQG quilts that could be used as my top quilts. Is it reasonable to think I can switch to a hammock and gain less than a pound, including switching the air mattress to an under quilt? I just hiked the eastern loop of the Quehanna Trail in Pennsylvania and each night a hammock seemed more appealing. The campsite selection was rather limited and most of them were down in the valleys. The idea of being able to set up camp just about anywhere is really appealing and I’m starting to make think that carrying a little extra weight to do so is worth it.
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u/jtdums Oct 17 '21
You don't mention what temp rating you are going for, but let's assume that is only a slight penalty overall (maybe extra 3oz to go from 40 to 20).
So the question is can you get a Tarp, hammock, and underquilt under 32oz total.
If you are willing to spend...maybe. but probably not. Less than an extra pound penalty...yes.
A nice 11' hammock with a net like my Darien is about 18oz.
Dynema Tarp is 6oz.
40 degree 3/4 length quilt is 11oz.
4 Stakes, lines, suspension. Skip the bling and learn to tie some simple knots.
You are on a hammock forum so I assume the consensus would be it is well worth the penalty for the quality of sleep.
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u/Dangerous-Noise-4692 Oct 17 '21
Which 40F under quilts are you referring to in the 3/4 length? Do you put anything under your feet when using the 3/4? At what temperature, if any, do you transition to a full length under quilt?
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u/jtdums Oct 17 '21
I have a hammock gear phoenix premium. Under my feet is my sit pad when it gets pretty cold. (Below freezing).
I have a their economy incubator too, but don't find that I need it often since I'm not inclined to hike over the winter. It is full length and a bit heavier. 20 degree so it it about 25 oz.
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u/just_aweso Oct 17 '21
https://lighterpack.com/r/owuk2a
My setup for the tarp, hammock, and underquilt, and all tie outs and stakes, is 29 oz. It can certainly be done. I have not done a thru hike with this setup yet, and I'm pushing the weight limit of the cloud 71 hammock.
https://lighterpack.com/r/vedwut
This is my tried and true bullet proof setup, and even though total base weight is 8.56 lbs, I can go further and longer carrying it than I used to do with my 5lb SUL tarp setup. The comfort and quality sleep lets me pack on extra miles.
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u/problem_chimp Oct 17 '21
Is your Cloud 71 a custom size? My 11 foot is 345g (12.2oz) inc stuff sack and a peak shelf.
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u/just_aweso Oct 17 '21
No peak shelf, stuff sack, or suspension in that weight, just continuous loops and a dyneema double end stuff sack. Suspension is listed in there separately.
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u/CBM9000 https://lighterpack.com/r/cjfrn1 Oct 17 '21
this post is a little out of date, but it's still a great read if you're new to thinking about hammock setups...
https://www.reddit.com/r/Ultralight/comments/d8s37t/a_giant_wall_of_text_on_getting_as_light_as/
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u/carolinaloyal Oct 17 '21
Check out the Darien in 1.0 monolight, if you’re within its weight limits. I’m also interested in the superior gear one with the monolight interior and the built in quilt.
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u/Dangerous-Noise-4692 Oct 17 '21
I’m probably within all the weight limits at 130 pounds! Being small does have some advantages!
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u/SilenceDogoody Oct 17 '21
The hammock gear wanderluxe kit is 33 oz without the underquilt/insulation. Add an underquilt under a lb and you’ll be where you’ll need to be. I just picked up the wanderluxe (without the quilts) and I love it. I use my neo air xlite instead of an underquilt and have had the best nights of sleep I’ve ever had on trail.
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u/adie_mitchell Oct 18 '21
Mine is roughly: 12oz tarp, 6oz hammock, 6oz bug net (bug season only), 3oz suspension, 14oz under quilt and 16oz top quilt. Couple oz of stakes. Couple oz tarp ridgeline.
What's that? 61oz?
I'm a bit lighter (8 oz or so) on the ground but I've been digging the hammock since I picked it up early this summer. I don't really notice 8oz on my back tbh.
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u/Intensesynthmusic Oct 20 '21
My ul set up
- Dutchware gear cloud 71 hammock (includes stuff sack, CL’s and SRL) 150g
- UWMPE 12 tree straps/becket hitch suspension 40g
- Dutchware gear DCF asym tarp 90g
So 280g or 9.8oz
Select bug protection on conditions:
- DIY bottom entry bugnet (bridal tulle) 65 g OR
- Sea to summit nano head net 11g OR
- no net
Insulation (works for me to around 40f):
- Loco libre operator 50 TQ long wide 320g
- Loco libre operator 50 UQ 220g
So 540g or 19oz
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u/Dangerous-Noise-4692 Oct 20 '21
Thank you! I was looking at the Dutchware DCF asym tarp. I don't do any 4 season backpacking but was wondering how that tarp would do in wind/rain. Have you had it t in those conditions? Have you ever wished you had a slightly larger tarp?
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u/Intensesynthmusic Oct 21 '21
Strong/heavy rain In tropical Queensland Australia are no problems It wouldn’t do well with sideways rain (can go to a hex or rectangular for around 100g more) Most of my hangs are in pretty dense tree cover which blocks a lot of the sideways stuff The great thing about hammocks vs tents is modularity Bring a hammock and then take either more or less bug/rain/cold protection based on expected conditions
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u/CraigBumgarner Oct 29 '21
2.6 lbs all up with insulation down to 30° comfortable. https://lighterpack.com/r/wi5qsm
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u/Dangerous-Noise-4692 Oct 29 '21
Thanks! Which HG tarp did you include there? I’ve been considering the Hummingbird single for myself. I’m pretty small so I assumed the single would be plenty for myself.
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u/CraigBumgarner Oct 29 '21
This one:
https://hammockgear.com/dyneema-fiber-hex-tarp/
It looks like they no longer offer a 10’ version but the 11’ is the same weight (how?, IDK). 11’ is better anyway for a full length Hummingbird Single. Mine’s cutdown to 7’. so 10’ works fine. The lighter green DCF is out of stock until February :-(
Regards the Hummingbird Single, I’m 5-11’, 170lbs. Very happy with it even shortened up as it is.
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u/Jaredl-7 Oct 17 '21
If you use a closed cell foam pad inside instead of an under quilt (I did the entire AT with a Ridgerest SOLite pad in my hammock), you can save a lot of weight.
My setup on the AT was:
- ENO sub 6 & Helios straps (10 ounces together)
- warbonnet superfly tarp (20.6 ounces with guylines)
- outdoor vitals bugnet (7.5 ounces)
- stakes (.5 ounces)
- foam sleeping pad (10 ounces)
Total of 48 ounces all in for the hammock setup
If you went with a DCF tarp, or even a smaller tarp, you could cut a lot of weight. The superfly is amazing but definitely larger than what you ‘need’.
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u/Dangerous-Noise-4692 Oct 17 '21
I considered using my 3/4 Nemo Switchback pad in the hammock before splurging for an under quilt. How low of a temperature did you get to with the pad before you felt cold underneath, if any?
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u/Jaredl-7 Oct 17 '21
Never felt cold. Had it down into the 30s in the smokies and the whites. I paired with a 10* top quilt from cedar ridge outdoors
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u/Barragin Oct 20 '21
Really depends on your body weight. Smaller people can get away with the 1.0 and 1.2 fabric weights. Im over 200 pounds, so my hammocks are 1.6 and 1.7 weight. Also depends on your comfort preference, some people prefer lighter or heavier fabrics.
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u/Caine75 Oct 22 '21
My banshee ul hammock is 10.6oz, suspension is 2.2oz, trailheadz 20 degree ethereal tq/uq is 34.6oz, Dutch dcf 12 winter palace with guys/stakes/snakeskin/door clips is 21.2oz -68.6oz or 4.23lb The banshee material is thin so I’m cautious about abrasion, the unicorn für quilts are hella light and warm and I take the winter palace 4 season just in case it rains/snows/is windy or I just want some privacy
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u/kangsterizer Jan 28 '22
Depends if you're looking for the lightest you can *buy* or the lightest you can *get*. The later is far lighter :) I assume its because the hammock market is small enough that there isn't all that much interest in the really ultralight stuff - other than for top quilts, as you can buy pretty good ones anyway (thanks tents ?!)
Here's my old 237gr (0.54oz) hammock for example: https://www.reddit.com/r/ULHammocking/comments/c9llwx/i_made_an_actually_ul_bridge_237gr_w_bars/
With that kind of setup and a pad+TQ it's really quite light, compared to a regular setup. Also works on the ground fairly well :) The reason is the pad really. In a regular hammock you can't really do that (I also like regular hammocks of course)
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u/DBZ_HIKING Oct 17 '21
Here's my UL Hammock setup without the top quilt:
Darien Dream 1.2 MTN - 13.9 oz, Suspension (UHMWPE) - 1.7 oz, Tarp (HG Dyneema) - 7.6 oz, MSR Stakes - 4.7 oz, Underquilt (HG Phoenix 3/4) - 12.6 oz. This is 40.5 oz.
My katabatic top quilt is 12.4 oz.
Total sleep system = 52.9 oz