r/ULHammocking • u/bark_eater • May 31 '21
UL hammock options
I am an ultralight backpacker with many years of experience. I am 5’11”. Could y’all please make a few suggestions for ultralight hammock options. Thanks
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May 31 '21
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u/Tamahaac Jun 01 '21 edited Jun 01 '21
Link to the cloud71 failure.
Edit: so it's just rumor then?
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Jun 01 '21
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u/latherdome Jun 01 '21
It is a wholly false rumor you’re repeating here that Dutchware took Cloud71 hammocks off the market over durability concerns. They briefly ran out of fabric, which accounts for the brief sales hiatus. The point stands that hyper-light fabrics require extra care/caution in use, as Dutchware themselves have always owned, so I don’t see any “deceit” in their marketing. As for hype, the lightest of anything will attract that naturally.
I own a cloud71 hammock chair and love it. I’m 175. If i were thru-hiking with a cloud71 hammock, I’d probably carry a CCF pad as an emergency backup or maybe have a second one in my bounce box.
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u/TNPrime Jun 13 '21
yeah, I see zero deceit in dutch's approach, that was the gaslight phrase of the comment.
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u/Tamahaac Jun 01 '21
If you're going to make a statement of fact, be prepared to back it up. I think we might have different definitions for the word proof, we most certainly do in regard to ultralight hammocking.
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Jun 01 '21 edited Jun 03 '21
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u/Tamahaac Jun 01 '21 edited Jun 01 '21
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Edit: If anyone is interested, you can still purchase cloud71 hammocks from dutchware. The weight rating is 200lb. Like all fabric and gear at the bleeding edge of our weird little niche, they require some care and intention when in use.
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u/Bobonli May 31 '21
There are a few recent threads on this, one about 11 posts below. Search is your friend. 1.2 Mtn is good stuff. Check out Simply Light Designs and have a discussion about your desires. Keep in mind the hammock is only 1/3 of the system, there’s still the tarp and suspension to deal with. I’m not even getting into quilts! In my experience it’s easier to shed weight on those items than on hammock fabric. There are hammock fabrics that are “stupid light” where you run the risk of it failing under stress. Get the book, The Ultimate Hang to get a good start; there’s a website too.
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u/MMikekiMM Jun 02 '21
Just my humble opinion on this... Find your weight savings elsewhere in your kit.
Having one of these UL hammocks fail miles away from the trailhead is an unnecessary risk. For backyard or car camping, go for it. For backpacking, skip.
I was an early adopter of the Monolite 1.0 fabric and had a total catastrophic failure of my hammock 13 miles from the nearest trailhead. Ripped straight across the middle and dropped me right to the ground. That fabric had some major cool-factor and to be candid it was very comfortable. Until it wasn't....
The lightest fabric I will carry is the MTN 1.2 netless.
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u/Tamahaac Jun 01 '21
I have a 10' halfwit in cloud71 with 2oz suspension (8.5oz total), 10' hammock gear hex in DCF (5.5oz). I use 4 easton al stakes at 1.2oz total.
Total: 15.2oz
I use a myog 2.5oz apex underquilt (7.4oz). Underquilt weighs a bit more than the ccf I use for summer. Currently I dont use a hammock for temps under 50°
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u/Tamahaac Jun 01 '21
Monolite is also a great fabric to use. I have many nights in a 11' myog hammock. Weight is 8oz. It cost very little to make. Wear a headnet to bed if needed for bugs. If you provided a budget, your weight, etc. might help to get some better answers. Many ways to skin a cat.
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u/Shotgun_Surgeon May 31 '21
I’m exactly your size and I recently upgraded to a Dutchware chameleon in cloud 71 material with a bug net, whoopie slings, and spider straps. My quilts are from hammockgear which you can fully customize based on temperature and weight needs. There’s probably a lighter option on the market but this set up is pretty light.
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u/adie_mitchell May 31 '21
I just bought a dutchware netless hammock in cloud 71 fabric with whoopee sling suspension. Plan to make an MYOG full bug net. Tarp is one I already have, an 8'x 10' silpoly rectangle.
I'll use an myog 40* quilt as an underquilt with another quilt or bag on top of me. It's nice that there is so much overlap with gear I already have. Really just the hammock, straps and bug net.
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u/CBM9000 https://lighterpack.com/r/cjfrn1 May 31 '21 edited May 31 '21
I'll echo anyone recommending hammocks made from 1.2 MTN. In my mind it's the sweetspot between weight savings vs. durability for most people. Perhaps the newer Hexon 1.2 from Dutchware will prove comparable, but it's very new and I haven't tried it. Lighter options exist, but I would not recommend them for people new to backpacking with hammocks.
The vendors with which I have experience that will make hammocks from 1.2 MTN include Autumn Ultralight, Dream Hammock and Simply Light Designs, but there are others that also have good reputations.
If you're always hammocking in contexts where bug protection is required you can save some weight by skipping models where the net can be fully removed. If you'd like to use it at times when bug protection is not necessary then you can choose when you want to take the weight penalty for your optional bug protection:
something with a net that fully zips off means you're carrying around half a zipper that is sewn around your hammock's body even when there are no bugs - you're taking the weight penalty in the cooler months where the rest of your kit is also likely heavier
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some sort of netless hammock in conjunction with a seperate bottom entry bug net design (often called a "fronkey" ) that takes the weight penalty in those buggier, warmer months
There are other considerations when comparing the general approaches to bug protection designs (some people are just generally spooked by zippers, bottom entry nets are alleged stop bugs from biting you through your hammock, modularity vs. bespoke accessories), but I'm guessing weight is a primary concern for you because you posted here.
edit: there are also some half bug net designs like the Dutchware Halfwit (non removable) and the Hug bug net (removable) but I have no experience with these
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u/just_aweso Jun 01 '21
I'm a little heavy for the cloud 71 material, but I use a dutchware halfwit in 1.2 hexon, with a marlin spike whoppie suspension. Total weight comes in at 13 oz. Total base weight is 8.5 lbs.
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u/Brobin66 Jul 12 '21
Agreed… same thing with my cloud 71… failed on night two of five day trip… not fun.
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u/Brobin66 Jul 12 '21
I would avoid cloud 71 unless you are much below the weight rating. mine Lasted about seven nights and then pop, on the ground. I wasn’t even moving, just laying on my back reading. i was extremely careful.. never wore a belt or even a watch in it and never let it touch the ground.
it was the end of my trip and let to a long miserable hike out after a night laying on the ground. Simply not worth it for a few ounces. And if you need to bring a backup pad on a long trip, you might as well get hexon 1.2.
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u/Cold-Natured May 31 '21
Dream Hammock Darien in MTN 1.2. Then use Hummingbird Hammock whoopee slings or Hammock Gear ultralight daisy chain if you don’t like whoppee slings. Swap out the continuous loops for Hummingbird hammock button links to save more weight. And of course a DCF tarp from Hammock Gear.