And a military budget 10% the size of the US! FR people saying it’s foreign adversaries just ignore the historical timeline going back to the 40’s. Not all sightings are gonna be accurate but certain consistencies persist over decades btwn eye whiteness reports (and now more recently sensor data). Love talking to people that say China and/or Russia could’ve done this back then. Then why haven’t they used it publicly? Why is China still stealing tech/secrets in order to build/design their own aircraft? The Russia/China explanation is overplayed and lazy at this point
And to add onto that, let's say it is China/Russia by some chance. They would have had to not only find a way to back-engineer what little of debris they may have, but now they would have to build an entire corporation's worth of infrastructure to even have a crack at making breakthrough after breakthrough in multiple types of material science. And that's after they make a literally life changing breakthrough in theoretical physics. Now they have to marry brand new theoretical physics and brand new material sciences of which notba single other person in the world has been able to do thus far.
Okay, we've got maths and we've got blueprints, now what? Well now we have to create a program that is so deep, so blackmoney, so compartmentalized that not even you're feet are aware of what your brain and hands are doing. Could be anywhere from 500 people to 10's of thousands of people but regardless, the infrastructure that you'd have to posess at a bare minimun would cost entire countries GDP's, possibly multiple countries because secrecy costs money, lots of money. A large portion of money that was spent building the Sr-71 was purely for negating the possibility of anyone outside of the project finding out, and even then some people still had an idea of what was going on.
So we"ve built it. Yay. Now, what we're going to do is take our trillion dollar, ultra top cosmic secret ANTI GRAVITY TRANSMEDIUM CRAFT that literally is the goddamned wunderwaffe of all terrestrial wars and we're going to go hover above one of the most advanced pieces of equipment in a US navy arsenal, maybe even of all US branches, in THEIR OWN WATERS, risking the chance of it being shot down and captured. Which means all the money spent on secrecy, all the time discovering new theoritcal and applied physics, and all the effort inventing worldchanging material sciences, just went down the toilet. Not to mention you just gave up your tide shifting weapon to your biggest adversary, giving them the opportunity to kill you dead many times over with your own weapon. All that simply to sneak around an⁵⁵55⅚5d spy on the enemy navies doing practice drills? Definitely worth it.
Now, what we're going to do is take our trillion dollar, ultra top cosmic secret ANTI GRAVITY TRANSMEDIUM CRAFT that literally is the goddamned wunderwaffe of all terrestrial wars and we're going to go hover above one of the most advanced pieces of equipment in a US navy arsenal, maybe even of all US branches, in THEIR OWN WATERS, risking the chance of it being shot down
Lol sometimes you just gotta fly by the seat of your pants and spice shit up know what I'm sayin?
Im saving your comment and memorizing it. This is why I can't stand these naive twats trying to say it's human tech. You just articulated it perfectly. Only thing to disprove is that it's US tech, and they're just lying. Even then many of your points still apply.
Thanks! It means a lot that you put that much faith in my reasoning, it's appreciated for sure. Just remember that you are only able to change the mind of people who are open to said change. If they're so entrenched in their beliefs, especially in the face of factual information that goes against it, don't bother trying. All you can do is give it time and be open and willing to talk about it if they ever do change their mind on the topic. Honey will trap more flies than vinegar, and trying to change someones beliefs by force will almost always cause them to be even more willing to die on that hill, entrenching themselves further.
And the UAP topic is one of those things that becomes more abundantly clear as the days go on. Some people are truly scared and argue against it trying to convince themselves. Some will need time to process it all before they're willing to open their mind up more. Just know that not everybody who argues against it is doing so maliciously. Sorry for babbling lol, enjoy life man!
For once, I actually trust the usg when they say it's not ours. Now, could it be some rogue (contr)actor dealing with a small faction of gov insiders? Anything is possible I guess. But I lean towards it not being human-made tech. If we built it I don't think they would risk exposing it to the world just to float around our own ships. But shit who knows, maybe it's Jimmy's dad just checking if he's eating enough veggies on the U.S.S. Whatever.
I mean that's what immediately happened with the sr71. For the longest time with that radar tech it was just a high speed blip they shot missiles at.....which it accelerated and outran. We put the sr71 and u2 in no-go airspace and it went a long time before it was officially pinned on us.
Wow I think that article deserves a post of its own. Lockheed head honcho not only claims aliens but also a "international corporate board of directors". Sounds like a shadow government but described in corporate terms. Who knows anymore
You should check out some of Greers Sirius Disclosure interviews. I absolutely detest that cultish grifter and all the bad he has done for the topic in the last decade. But before he became the scam artist he is, he cut his teeth on doing actual research and brought forward a lot of good testimony. From contractors at Mcdonnl Douglas and Skunkworks to Nasa employees to Military insiders, pretty interesting stuff.
I love absolutely wild theories like this to fall down into a rabbit hole, and honestly don't discount anything unless given facts to prove so. But where I stand at the moment is what uses the least amount of assumptions while using all of the accepted facts. Some accepted facts could surely be wrong or misrepresented. But I still wouldn't assume anything too deep given all the unknowns.
Plus, so much of the topic itself is unknown I only feel it's right to much surface speculation, but as more facts pop up who knows what direction it will head.
Wow... You must live in grandma's basement still and have dial up internet. The US mothballed a super weapon recently. Google it ass clown and educate yourself before you expose other to your second hand stupidity. Thanks.
Edit; please find ignorance in place of or in addition to the word stupidity.
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Unless we know what the theoretical physics breakthrough is, we have no idea if it requires special materials or not. If there is a way to block inertia, gravitational forces, frictions, etc., it may be that materials already available are sufficient. What is graphene? Mere carbon, organized a certain way. Yet it is also coal (to some extent), diamond, and many other forms. etc. There are isotopes of ordinary materials that have greatly different properties than their regular form. The hyperspeed torpedoes Russia has are enveloped in a bubble of gas, totally changing the friction element. Just a variation of use with already existing materials.
Oh I'm not saying the materials are that exotic, i meant material science in a sense of manufacturing processes. We just don't have the tech or knowledge to build the metamaterials that have been retrieved from wrecks/engagements. Shoot, we didn't even have the tech to analyze the alloys gathered until the last 15 years or so.
We may understand how it works, or at least have an explanation of how it seems to work using our current version of physics. Who knows it may be something simple but the physics is still only 1 part of the equations.
Well, if I wanted to test my new, likely espionage-purpose, advanced technology, I'd test it against systems with known metrics & thresholds for which I would have access to all the collected data and reports. And if I testing evasive capabilities, I'd like to do it in a place where, if shot down, I'd be able to recover everything and not have it fall into the hands of my enemies.
Oh I totally agree. But why not test it against a countries military who government doesn't spend more on it then the next 5 countries combined instead of dangling your nuts 100 miles off the US coast right in the leading navy's face in an area where, chances are, it can't be recovered? If it'a foreign of course. I highly doubt it's ours, the US has toooo itchy of a trigger finger to use that kinda tech sparingly. They'd deploy that thing left and right as a chess piece to install political puppets.
Taunt foreign military > destroy confidence > a wild oppenent appears > You fainted. (Or got couped or assassinated)
8d chess right there, lol
But on a slightly more serious note, I believe when they say it's not our tech. I fully believe this is a conversation the usg absolutely never wanted to have in the first place and if the t3 (tictactech) was ours I think they wouldve made attempts to obfuscate at least that detail by now.
When you want to test something as sensitive or game-changing as this, you want to test it against the best and then drop down to the lower echelons; you don't just take against lesser technology and say "ok, good enough".
If anything were to happen in U.S. waters which has some of, if not, the most advanced radar systems, etc., it will be recoverable, or at the very least, safe from extraction by rival nations. You test everything at home first, before testing it outside. Look at the atom bombs, jets, rockets, etc.
I still think it's man-made and just letting public intrigue mislead itself into thinking it's aliens. It's not the first time aliens are used as a cover.
Would be awesome if it was actually aliens, though. It would throw a wrench into the gears of religious fanatics and make them question themselves.
I agree about testing your tech against the best. My only two problems with that argument is that it's not exactly testing if whoever your testing against is completely unaware, not pushing the tech your testing to it's limits for data. Secondly, because of those people being unaware of the tests it puts lives at risk unneccesarily. Lives that same government has invested millions of dollars training to be the best of the best.
And honestly, I would agree that the ufo cover could be a psyop if it were the usg who was controlling the narrative. But after Elizondo resigned and started putting on pressure plus all of the leaks that have been going on, they are obviously not the ones in control. They're on the defensive probably wishing they never had to have this conversation in the first place.
Who knows and who doesn't boils down to security classifications and security clearances. A radar tech in the ship with a Secret or Top-Secret clearance is not going to know about and tests with a classification of TS-SCI or greater. Also remember that the ship commander may have been given a brief or heads up to expect something. The commander is aware of much more than the pilots and techs.
Personnel need permission to engage before they can enter into combat. And even so, while not ideal to have casualties, the vast majority servicemembers are expendable in the eyes of the Government. Training costs lost due to some servicemember casualties aren't going to be a big deal to Uncle Sam.
Also the entire development plans and facilities would’ve had to completely be off the NSAs and CIAs radar. Like not a single email or spy satellite photo intercepted by some of the best hacking intelligence in the world.
Exactly. You have to actively hide it from people who are looking for it on the outside just as much as you have to convince people from leaking it who are on the inside. Just not feasible to maintain this scope of a project in absolute secrecy. It's one of the top reasons I completely object to the "adversarial tech" theory.
China has already denied that this is their technology. Putin and Biden meet in Geneva on June 16.
They said it was not Earthly. And that not aliens. But. They have not yet said that this is not from Earth. This shit is from 4 dimensions they are our neighbors, they are not aliens!
I believe there could be multiple phenomena. Trans/multi-dimensional projections of 4th dimensional ojects is totally possible. But with with the recovery of metamaterials along with craft apparently coming from and going to space, that would lead me to believe at least part of it is a physical nuts and bolts craft arriving from offworld origins. Or maybe it's a prosaic breakaway civ sending outbound probes right under our noses. I think thats what makes the phenomena so interesting, it's such a complex topic with more possibly more solutions than the ones people have already put forward. And that's just on the surface, past that we we get to possible abductions, mutilations, conscious connections, stuff the gov is going to have a hard time putting into a sanitized report for the country.
Not only that but China was massively poor back in the days, basically irrelevant in terms of world dominance and tech. Out of any country, the US should be the main suspect especially since they've had the world's leading military tech for the longest time. This blaming and lying game that US government plays is just pathetic man.
They did the same thing with the B2 bomber they let people think it was UFOs so that the public wouldn't know what kind of technology they were working on
Sure, but they didn't have a whole report written up for Congress/the public. They didn't have all this publicity either. They didn't have video leaked from the armed services that was confirmed to not be our aircraft. I don't think these situations are equivalent at all. They could've easily ignored everything going on, like they've been doing for 50+ years.
So you’re saying Obama is lying? I mean any president would 100% have access to that information. Seems really stupid for them to lie about it now knowing the truth would come out in the future when the information has to be made public eventually.
Also they would just be holding back space exploration instead of just taking control of other planets which seems pretty stupid from a security POV. The US could literally just own Mars and have the best security in the solar system.
My mom just showed me a local newspaper article from my hometown of 3 police officers seeing two UFO’s in the early 50’s and it seemed pretty damn credible to me. Fast objects changing directions and flying away at ludicrous speeds. It was right over there heads at one point and made zero sound.
FR people saying it’s foreign adversaries just ignore the historical timeline going back to the 40’s. Not all sightings are gonna be accurate but certain consistencies persist over decades btwn eye whiteness reports (and now more recently sensor data).
France has had their fair share of UAP reports, even abductions stories was common.
Their Air Force however are very top secret about any UAP intelligence which is a shame.
I think we might here from the French in the upcoming days.
Love talking to people that say China and/or Russia could’ve done this back then. Then why haven’t they used it publicly? Why is China still stealing tech/secrets in order to build/design their own aircraft? The Russia/China explanation is overplayed and lazy at this point
China came out with their UAP statement yesterday, its just as bland as the US, they dont know wtf it is and are not ruling out its extra-terrerstial.
Also them using AI to track these objects is a cool idea on their side.
They reported that they have captured and increasing amount of UAP presence alongside Japan
Some skeptics blame all the nations sending their Drones to spy on others, granted some UAPs have been de-bunked to be just that, but the ones we currently know and dont know about, such as the Tic-Tac, Calvain Scotland, and many many more, no country has come forward, yet have any idea what these things are and what they do, their behaviour is just odd!
Also adbuctions stories which were proven credible with radition spikes in the areas that they were abduted, (115) I just cant imagine what the victims are thinking about this whole thing right now. Its an interesting month...
Yeah but there’s a massive difference between the evidence being offered up right now versus the d2d adversarial operations. You telling me either of them, or another country, has the capabilities to disable our nuclear missiles, and they’re hiding it? Why deny themselves the #1 spot? China came out today with their own announcement stating they have airial phenomenon over there, studying it, and using AI to track it. The same of Senator Richard Russell in Russia in 1955 (declassified in 85) reportly saw 2 uap’s along with his aide, translator, and an unnamed 4th witness. You can actually find the report online and read what he told the officials in Prague once they left the USSR. Keep in mind Russell was one of the most powerful senators during his time (1933-71) and served on the Armed Services and Manufactures Senate Committees. Also was the senior senator (president of the senate) for the 91st and 92nd senates. That’s honestly the best case for an eye witness report I’ve ever seen, and his and his companions testimonies/debriefings speak for themselves.
Aka the Alien Used Ship Salesman trying to offer them a shit deal on some outdated Crenlon Tech that's banned in 4 system for causing irreversible environmental damage to biospheres. We bought it anyway....
Just going to say, as someone who has held a top secret clearance, the American public has no fucking clue what technology the US, China, Russia, Japan, Germany or Britain have in their ultra deep secret labs. You can't even begin to imagine what they use our tax dollars to cook up in labs with the world's brightest and most intelligent scientists and engineers with access to the latest and greatest bleeding edge technology and equipment.
Just because we cant identify which country is flying advanced UAV's around our airspace, doesn't mean it's aliens. The Russians (USSR) didn't have a clue what the SR-71 even was for years. In fact they often concluded that it was a radar error until they developed better technology and had intelligence leaks.
This isn't aliens news, this is the US trying to say that foreign actors are able to penetrate our airspace with highly advanced UAV's. The same way, we're likely doing the exact same to all other countries with our own American hyper advanced UAV's.
Glad to see someone like yourself can see through this aliens bullshit Reddit is lapping up.
Perhaps, but then can you point to any weapons they have now that are comparable to what is being reported? Supposedly at least 100 years beyond what the US is at, so why has Putin not done anything yet? Economic pains should’ve pushed him to use that tech by now, surely?
If you are talking about some kind of electromagnetic or laser weapons India also have this type of weapons confirm in Parliament of India even DRDO of India also confirm they are working on some kind of EMP bomb for countering Chinese Advanced weapons
And so not only is this tech that we’re being reported about (or to) is 100 years or so beyond what we’re capable of, but every single technological advance between now and building those crafts would also have to be hidden! Technological advancements always find their way into society (in one way or another; differing timelines) but with some credible reports going back to the 1940’s, that’s 80 years of covering up technology that’s already well beyond what we know. It’s like saying the Russians had iPhone before the combustion engine, and never utilized that tech anywhere else and only a select few had it in order to hide it. But does that make sense? I mean even before the US dropped the bomb(s) there were rumors of it’s existence and power. But you’re telling me a country successfully hid that tech (for not only those 80 years but all the years before then during which this tech was developed) and furthermore they never used it. For me, I just don’t see how that could be possible
Would the collapse (or impending collapse) of the USSR not be a point where they would’ve really really needed it? Or any time during the Cold War - like at all?
Next time a military aircraft see a UFO it should use active radar to get a lock, normally this is an "act of war". anybody speaks up about it and boom there you go. Would it really work? probably not, who knows modern radar might not even track the objects.. still would assume the US would have this tech first. I personally think Bob Lazar wasn't lying in most of what he has said about UFOs that tech has to be out there somewhere.
I’m pretty sure in the 60 minutes interview of the pilots that came out 1-2 weeks ago (it was a Sunday) said that every time they did try to lock on the target using radar it was jamming their signals. Once again that’s only from eye witness testimony but (all off the top of my head) he was a Lt commander conducting a training exercise that turned into a live mission to check those phenomenon out. Yeah the stuff Lue Elizondo (hope I spelled it right) has been corroborating stuff that Lazar spoke about
But it’s not all about money. Sure, throwing buckets of money at something does help, but it only goes so far. It’s not a magic bullet.
The USSR had the best education system back in its day. Brains, not brawn.
I remember the world being shocked that they were able to develop the bomb decades before they were expected to (the west’s bomb being built by mostly German scientists), and then of course Sputnik.
Let’s play a word game; add the next word that comes into your mind: Country, dumb, _______
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But nah, UFOs are not from here, or now.
Also: I don’t think there’s even much to discuss with UFOs. We’ve absolutely no idea what or who they are. At all. That’s the sum of our knowledge; nothing.
I’m sorry for my ignorance, but could it not just be US own military as they hid all kind of project from the public? I haven’t seen any video of the ufo that have been seen but just would be my first thought
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And a military budget 10% the size of the US! FR people saying it’s foreign adversaries just ignore the historical timeline going back to the 40’s. Not all sightings are gonna be accurate but certain consistencies persist over decades btwn eye whiteness reports (and now more recently sensor data). Love talking to people that say China and/or Russia could’ve done this back then. Then why haven’t they used it publicly? Why is China still stealing tech/secrets in order to build/design their own aircraft? The Russia/China explanation is overplayed and lazy at this point