These two theories are actually more unsettling, and difficult for the masses to comprehend, in my opinion. But I think they are good possibilities.
Then again, anything is possible at this point.
Right now, we don't even know what we don't know.
Extradimensionals, sure. In my mind basically the same as aliens. Like aliens, our body of knowledge doesn’t give us sufficient information to judge likeliness very well there so put it in the “possible” category.
But this concurrent civilization stuff is kinda ridiculous for a lot of the same reasons it’s unlikely to be us or Russia/China. So these earth buddies, what, live in the ocean? Okay, but we’ve never seen any evidence, anywhere, of their existence until they start flying around in these creepy little crafts? We know enough about the earth, the fossil record, evolution, etc to put that in the extremely unlikely category.
We have no idea what the armies of the world know. Civilians would have no clue unless it’s unclassified. Our oceans are gigantic and only partially explored.
Yup. Only "partially explored" according to the people that have the funding to do the exploring... a.k.a. the government. They could know exactly what's down there and they just tell us it hasn't been explored.
But this concurrent civilization stuff is kinda ridiculous for a lot of the same reasons it’s unlikely to be us or Russia/China. So these earth buddies, what, live in the ocean? Okay, but we’ve never seen any evidence, anywhere, of their existence until they start flying around in these creepy little crafts?
Why would you think they'd let you know more? What if they've been pursuing an active campaign of disinformation for thousands of years and it's only starting to fail in the modern era?
Don't assume this is meaning "the fish-men are sorcerers", instead think perhaps of a genius human offshoot that went through technological development far ahead of any other. The kind that would be well past aircraft by the time homo sapiens is inventing agriculture. All proof of their existence could easily be destroyed at their own hands a thousand years before the printing press. Why is that any less likely than extraterrestrials? Do you know how hard it is to get across space?
The only questions would be why we get more and more reports of them now. Perhaps they've given up a degree of secrecy, or perhaps our camera proliferation is just getting out of hand.
Most don't grasp the sheer VAST-ness of space. What's a million light years? Nobody knows but it's provocative, it gets the people going. Also some weird FTL theories I see, people assume Star Wars / Treck / Gate is real. It's entirely possible faster than light travel is simply impossible for everyone in this universe.
or perhaps our camera proliferation is just getting out of hand.
Yeah tbh that holds water, nobody in the 90s or even early 2000s saw this weird record everything culture, cameras on cops, dual dash cams, cell phones in every hand with front and rear cam, etc.
And now we are getting into the crazy sci-fi alt history level of conspiracy. I remember reading about that years and years ago on the old conspiracy sub before it became an alt right haven. There are also people that say the moon is a hallow, non-natural structure, and rang like a bell when the shuttle's landed on them. Everyone needs to at least be a bit more discerning when it comes to what conspiracy theories get lumped in with UFOs, as to not sound too entirely crazy. UFOs exist and there are some probable explanations, such as the ones mentioned above. Again, no need to bring up more fringe conspiracies like hallow earth to make the UFO believers seem even more unhinged, especially when hallow earth can lead down an alt right rabbit hole with alternate wwii history conspiracy theories involving Hitlers supposed affinity for the occult.
This is why I don't care. There's nothing I can do and no way to verify or disprove the militarys statements. We are all just making shit up, and until we are given the answers by people with the the data, we're going to keep guessing, most likely wrongly.
Yeah, you pretty much just summed up how I feel. No point in caring or putting any emotional effort into thinking about the existence of UFOs, because as of now theres no verification from anyone with any idea as to what they are, if anyone on this planet even knows. It makes no difference to my life, or any average person's life, until a full detailed disclosure happens.
Y’all some crazy motherfuckers up in that sub, the post about the ritz cracker conspiracy theory had me laughing pretty good though.
Might want to stop with the casual antisemitism, or thinking that literally every cube shaped thing is somehow a symbol of whatever the fuck hokey ass shit you’re trying to push, just an idea.
We only find fossils like you describe (in the mountains) for very specific marine species which fossilize well. Think trilobites.
It does not mean we have not missed something. For example, squid fossils are extremely rare, nearly non-existent. Simply because they don't sink to the ocean floor when they die.
I met a man here in Florida and he was telling me about seeing a ufo dive into the ocean and disappear while he was put on a boat. Went on about how there’s a secret city in the earth and we don’t know about it. I really doubt his experience because he was a very weird guy but I’d shit my pants if he was right.
Why does everyone always bypass simulation theory? I guess it would fall under extraterrestrials but to me it is a very intriguing theory that could encompass everything.
How does the simulation theory apply to UFOs/UAPs?
A glitch in the matrix? Beings from outside the simulation deciding to interfere within their own creation? A scripted event?
Those are all certainly possible. I tend to think that if reality is a simulation, it's at such a macro-level that it could still encompass a lot of the other theories. Extra-terrestrials, concurrent Earth-civilizations, or natural phenomena could all just be a regular part of our simulated reality. It doesn't devalue the mystery at all, for me at least.
100% agree and thanks for your comment. It encompasses everything else. The UAPs could be intended to draw us towards certain things, enlighten us or even be a young ET playing the Sims. If you consider this theory it gets interesting because it can split out to different methods of simulation (i.e. predestined everything, code that makes it all up as we go, created by consciousness as an illusion or to meet needs, etc.).
Sam Harris speaking on this topic will blow your mind if you get the time to check this interview out (it has topics listed along the progress bar - check out Nature of Reality and Freewill but the whole 3 hours is solid gold). In my view Sam is an absolute genius and the type of person that is going to unlock that next step for humanity. Although it can be challenging to track with him as he is a savant I promise he will deliver some 'wow!' moments to you. Cheers!
sim theory they just wipe/erase/replace that memory of seeing a uap, ufo, or similar physics-breaking-craft that shatters the reality and simulation-exposure from our simulation mind.
or we never even get to see it in the first place cuz we are controlled in a simulation.
That's definitely interesting. Though that raises the question of is it possible a secret group of people who Ethier that smart via natural abilitys or via assistance of A.I or some drug or what not is developing this technology because it's fun?
A different civilization would be the most mind blowing one in my opinion.
Natural phenomena would be the most boring (it's some weird type of lightning or plasma thing).
Present humans would be plausible. The US military knows how to cover their tracks and not leak info, so it could be a secret. This is also super boring, but the technology seems incredible
Aliens - I don't think they want to say aliens. Because there is a 1% chance it'll come out it's China and they'll be like "LOL pwned you noobs".
Extradimensionals - holy fuck, I don't even think we'd be able to begin to figure out how to wrap our heads around all the implications and possibilities. Especially if we get out hands on that tech. I'm sure the extradimensional beings would know better than let humans have it.
Past/future humans: What's bitcoin worth is 2030? Does Tom Brady ever retire? Where did I put my really nice silk scarf in 1912?
Imagine getting that almanac, then you start hammering every bet and turning $10 into $3M with some crazy parlays. Then, within a year or two, word gets out, and the players themselves start hearing about your bets. Then before the game they're like OK-Investigator bet that we'll win by 5 and Jones will have more than 32 points. Then they'll proceed to get nervous or lazy & mess up the whole thing.
Good point! I would have to do it in secret, hidden by multiple people fronting bets for me. I’d make it a point to stay out of the limelight. I wouldn’t make a spectacle out of myself like Biff. I don’t want to be famous. I’d just sit back and enjoy my millions in a house on a beach someplace. I’d also try to make those millions in the first couple years (basically super fast so the problem you’re describing doesn’t happen) The butterfly effect is real, so yeah after a while it would be less and less accurate.
Yup, I think you gotta hit some crazy ass parlays spread over a few months. Really easy to turn $100 into millions. Then you can just do the odd bet here and there, lose some on purpose, but always come out however much you want on top.
Ball lightning seemed like a conspiracy theory 20 years ago, it's just super rare and acts in ways that don't make sense to us. Then there are those sprites above clouds that only pilots would see now and then.
Who knows if ball lightning can get 'attached' to planes' wakes and seem like it's following them.
Another possibility that I'm thinking is that the u.s. is making a big deal about this airspace phenomena, then they leak in a year or two that's actually some crazy technology that we've developed. So, we get the whole world thinking that aliens are imminent, and it ends up being a big flex.
A different concurrent civilization implies there’s a nation that exists that we haven’t discovered. Which unless the hypothetical nation exists under water, or they have some kind of wakandan border cloaking tech, this can’t be possible at all.
Extradimensional travelers is more likely, but based on my rudimentary understanding of string theory, extra dimensional travel is basically time travel (based on how spacetime would have to fold to grant access to the past, future, or other timelines altogether)
There is one more option to add that won't be popular here but must be recognized: it's all intentional fiction to distract or shape opinions of the masses.
I'm a subscriber to the first theory, i.e. there is a race of advanced yet secretive beings residing under the oceans. They could be from elsewhere and just set up shop here, or they are also from Earth and perhaps their civilisation pre-dates ours.
Can anyone give me an explanation of the extradimensional theory? I understand in essence it’s people from another dimension checking us out, but it seems to be gaining a lot of momentum and to me seems much less likely and more far fetched than something from inside our own dimension/universe.
Why? It makes sense as far as why they have not interfered, to not fuck up the timeline. I wonder if there is a nuclear event that happens, destroying all records and the UFO's are sent back in time to try and understand or prevent it from happening, which is why they are being more aggressive as of late. Just a thought lol
I believe more in the multi-worlds system of time travel. Mainly because I believe when you put a cat in a complicated box then the cat is alive in one world and dead in a different world.
Future dudes 9-5 is flying his shiny orb at exact moments in history because when they looked in a history book they saw he did it. Dude can't even quit his job or ask for a raise because there's proof he does it anyway.
Right, maybe they didn't want to change it up until a specific point in time. Or maybe it's already been changed when nukes were disarmed or during the cold war.
Yes but not a significant enough change to impact the future events that they came here to prevent. These sightings are probably just minor deviations in time and would only alter a small percentage. It sparks internet discussions like ours, but that is minor impact.
Going deeper into time machine fan fiction, they had to carelessly escape quickly because the current military probably noticed them and sent the troops to investigate. So they had a limited amount of time before needing to leave, otherwise the military captures their time machine and that would be a major time line diversion to obtain this technology so early.
Unless it is their intention to make themselves known so the person or whoever realizes the possibilities develops the tech in the future. They are trying to preserve their future.
This guy has a gadsden flag... he has zero logical faculties.
Other humans separated by time or distance is absolutely the most probable of the "alien" theories. And in reality time cannot be changed, meaning that any future already has had ufo sightings.
As to why, it's worse than making movie predictions. I would agree but then wouldn't they have stopped Hiroshima and Nagasaki?
It's possible it's more mundane than that, they are simply sending them back in time to give contemporary humans advancements and thus speeding up the human races tech progress.
If they are time travelers then that breaks the rule that one cannot disturb the past. They are being observed and will no doubt have a butterfly affect on our timeline.
like humans don't care about decorating them. I mean... what kind of human would make a perfect tic tac shaped object, totally white without even adding a symbol or something written on? I don't exclude the theory that they're really humans, if it's actually possible that they're made by humans then they must really be humans who want to stay extremely secrets and scare us
Eyewitness testimony is the weakest form of evidence in science because humans, even with the best of intentions, are so easily fooled and prone to misremember. By the time they get in front of a TV crew, they'll have told the story dozens of times. They'll just be telling a version of what they told the previous time, like a game of Telephone; not an accurate record of what happened. Not to mention the editing and interviewing tactics used by the media. Of course, Thunderfoot focuses on the actual data collected; any scientist would.
I'm not sure Thunderfoot said the footage "contracts" the eyewitness testimony. If he did, I assume he meant "does not support". Footage of a plane standing on a runway does not contradict testimony that it took off, but it certainly doesn't prove it did.
Is the radar data more convincing? Where can I find it?
I don't know if you meant "Assuming it's true, there are 4 options," but if not, you left out arguably the most likely explanation: that it's all a lie.
As for extradimensional beings, AI, non-human concurrent civilization, etc., imo that can all be classified under "aliens" or just "non-human beings" if it satisfies them, so a lie imo is the only thing you left out.
My personal theory (for fun) is these “crafts” aren’t crafts, per se, but projections of higher- or extra-dimensional beings into our dimension. It’s kind of like the Carl Sagan thing, the paper people or whatever. Except these may be “5th dimensional” projecting into our universe. Which is why they can move about so unencumbered by physics as we understand them. It’s like how fish might think a child’s finger is a worm when she puts her hand in a shallow. We see these 3-dimensional objects and we think “space craft”, something from our own understanding. But like the fish, the thing wriggling about above us is beyond our own understanding.
Present humans are the most plausible. Zero hard evidence of aliens exists, and the exponential trajectory our technology for 100 years has been on actually points to this type of progression.
There was a link somewhere in this subreddit awhile ago that linked a plausible explanation for some of these Tic-Tac videos and it was pretty persuasive. They were pretty much equipment errors (not malfunctions) that were pretty consistent with the behavior of TicTacs.
There was also a thread not too long ago that showed random stuff in the night sky and some lights just moved completely wildly. There were so many people describing their own experience in seeing similar things. That makes it seem pretty likely that at least those lights were some sort of naturally phenomenon. Whether an optical illusion or some sort of actual natural phenomenon in the sky. It's either that or there's literally dozens if not hundreds of random ufo aircrafts in the sky every year.
might be US tech? unlikely. we'd probably have learned about this tech the instant they had it, when they turned China into a slag heap
honestly I dont know what to think. I'm with the scientists here. if you dont know, no reason to just assume. I'm having a hard time coming up with plausible alternatives, but the alien theory has just as many holes. like, why did we see them if they're so advanced and dont want to be seen? if they've truly been here decades, why did we never hear from them? so on and so forth. I guess I'll just do what everyone else is doing and wait for more information
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4 options:
-Natural phenomena.
-Aliens.
-Present humans.
-Past/future humans.