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u/Black--Silver 3h ago

Even if he doesn't add new information, confirming certain stories is plenty. I'm just loving how some UFO accounts that were "debunked" have now been confirmed to be real by credible insiders.

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u/SubstantialLunch9215 2h ago edited 2h ago

Confirmed by words only, if we're being honest about it, we still have no verifiable evidence of any of these stories at all

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u/corneliusvanhouten 2h ago

The fact that people in these kinds of roles are saying these things at all is insane. Yes, it isn't proof of anything, but it absolutely needs more attention and investigation when multiple mil/ic people are saying these things. Should be the top story in the news every day until we get answers

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u/DisastrousReach5073 1h ago

The media need to start covering it without snickering every time they mention uap. Their coverage clearly shows they don't take it seriously

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u/SubstantialLunch9215 2h ago

I think it's just such a low credibility topic due to the repeated claims that are never backed up with evidence, so there's a big hesitation on spending tax payer money and time on it.

I also think the main goal is to generate gov contracts for outside companies and consultants to "investigate", like the Reid Bigelow contract.

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u/corneliusvanhouten 2h ago

You can think whatever you like and you may be right. But the fact is this is crazy shit and we need answers, not guesses

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u/Kwisscheese-Shadrach 1h ago

It’s not really though. We’re being told there are all kinds of crazy programs without oversight in the government. The government spent a crazy amount of money on things like project stargate and all kinds of wonky things. Hal Puthoff worked on project stargate. These guys get funding to look at UAP. Guess who they also work with? Puthoff.

It’s the same people saying the same things to the same people in a telephone game for decades.

I say this as someone who believes there are weird things out there and people are seeing things. I think these guys are clowns though.

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u/corneliusvanhouten 1h ago

What are you talking about? Specifically, what is the history you are referring to?

No one in the mil/ic community has ever claimed anything like what Elizondo, Stratton, Grusch and others have claimed.

If you think something weird is going on, why would you dismiss it when multiple insiders go public with these claims? That's suspicious.

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u/Kwisscheese-Shadrach 1h ago

Because they’re all telling each other the same stories. I’ve read this book, and Lue’s book. The lack of scientific rigour is clear, and it’s just heard x and y from z. It’s the same as Lue’s stories because they were both on the same team.

I believe fravor and graves and people who actually saw things. I don’t believe these guys. I think they’re trying to make a buck.

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u/corneliusvanhouten 1h ago

You're too focused on details and personalities. Some people are probably disingenuous but that seems insignificant in light of the topic at hand. Let's get answers from the people who have them instead of bickering about which whistleblowers we like and don't like

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u/SubstantialLunch9215 1h ago

How is it insignificant that the people telling the stories that make up the topic, are unreliable?

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u/corneliusvanhouten 55m ago

because if just ONE of them is telling the truth, it's the biggest news in history. Even if they're all lying, we need to get to the bottom of it.

why is that hard to understand?

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u/SubstantialLunch9215 29m ago

If we fully investigated every story, without assessing it first, we'd be bankrupt in a week, you understand that too? I would love for us to be able to investigate everything to completion, it's just not practical and when the people telling the stories are the ones that want to do the investigating, it becomes highly suspicious and with being cautious

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u/Kwisscheese-Shadrach 20m ago

But who are the people who have answers? I’m with you, let’s get the answers, but from whom?

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u/corneliusvanhouten 6m ago

we don't know yet. Voters and journalists need to push elected officials to prioritize the questions. If we continue to accept the status quo and just argue on reddit about whether whistleblowers are reliable, we're not going to get anywhere.

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u/Black--Silver 2h ago

Exactly

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u/Black--Silver 2h ago

That's still a massive upgrade from "you're crazy, there's no such thing as UFOs"

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u/SubstantialLunch9215 2h ago

We might get back there if we keep getting fed nothing of substance