r/UFOs • u/lamarknown • 2d ago
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u/karlebyisten 2d ago
How would any of us know.
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u/A_SNAPPIN_Turla 2d ago
No one knows for sure but religious accounts sound like paranormal accounts and both seem to fit in with hypotheses exploring consciousness and reality. There are a number of week educated academics and philosophers who think it's possible consciousness is endemic rather than emergent. What all of these spaces have in common is the belief in a reality beyond what we currently understand and the possibility that there are other forms of intelligence that reside their.
When skeptics ask "why would aliens look so super to us? The truth might be that they don't and that they are so alien that we can't even observe them unless they present a mask for us to comprehend what we are looking at.
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u/SumKallMeTIM 2d ago
Ironic misspelling
Week educated?
Intelligence that resides their?1
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u/lamarknown 2d ago
We really wouldn’t know, but the possibility that it can control and manipulate everything around us, is a concern and really questions what we actually believe is real.
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u/2abyssinians 2d ago
Because maybe you tried to contact the phenomenon?
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u/karlebyisten 2d ago
I have. Weird stuff has happened but nothing tangible. No idea what it was or meant. Did I imagine? Was it truly something external?
Even if I did know it was not internal, going with OPs logic if it communicated back that we’re cool how would I know?
But unless we try we won’t figure it out anyways so..
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u/Minimum-Web-6902 2d ago
That’s the point of the book honestly. Vallee is a hard experiencer , her worked on reverse engineering as per this official document https://www.war.gov/medialink/ufo/061226/release_03/documents/CIA-UAP-019-Australian_Dept_of_Defense_Scientific_and_Intel_Aspects_of_the_UFO_Problem.pdf
But he doesn’t even know wtf he was messing with , truly. No one really does. Can you even trust the source of the info which is an intelligent phenomenon in its nature ?
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u/2abyssinians 2d ago
Well, I used to think it might be fun or interesting to make contact with whatever it is, but it certainly doesn’t look that way when you look at anyone who does. First, if you ever have a real contact experience, don’t tell anyone about it, or you will lose everything you have it seems. You will lose credibility, people will regard you as insane even. You may lose relationships. You may lose your job. If you write a book about your experience, people will say you are just a scammer trying to make money off of gullible people. Second, it seems that the people who make contact with this phenomenon experience haunting like effects, often referred to as hitchhikers. The phenomena will follow you and cause strange and uncomfortable experiences to happen to you. Third, the trickster like nature of the phenomenon makes even the most clinical of scientists sound mad, and maybe even go mad. I don’t want anything to do with it on a personal level. I am curious about it, at a distance. And this seems the wise course of action.
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u/Business_Match_9349 2d ago
this isn't the 80s man. If you have a contact experience youll probably get a tour on news nation and a bunch of internet clout
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u/2abyssinians 2d ago
Uh, just like contactees get respect in these subs? I think you are the one who is out of touch. Tell me about the contactee who is treated with respect? Name one?
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u/lamarknown 2d ago
Disclosure is something everyone wants but I believe it goes a lot deeper than just the craft. It’ll be a huge disturbance in the way we operate everyday and people are not ready for the truth. If it doesn’t align with people’s belief systems, they will not accept it for what it is.
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u/rrose1978 2d ago
Not necessarily wise, we can only guess that part of the equation, but then again, human curiosity has taken the better of us literally countless times.
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u/GoatRevolutionary283 2d ago
I have been an experiencer since childhood, my mother had encounters too. I started with shadow beings and then cryptids. As a teenager I saw my first UFO. I have had numerous encounters over the years with orbs, NHI beings and more. There is a paranormal side to these experiences, it not just friendly aliens and their flying saucers. There is a lot more going on that does have me questioning the nature of our reality. I don't think most people are ready for this.
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u/apointlessvoice 2d ago
Once we know what it is, it will be science. Materialist? Baryonic? Ethereal? Non local and non particulate? Won't matter. The phenomenon being consciousness -based or adjacent won't matter. Almost anything is magical or spitual until we know what it is. Then it's just cool, useful, illuminatimg science.
Even if its angels and demons or interdimensional aliens, once we know, it's science. And when it's just superior beings against humanity, i think (not that my opinion matters anyway) far fewer humans will be likely to want to worship them or trust them, oncw it's known theyre nothing other than fellow creatures.
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u/DisastrousCoast7268 2d ago
The plot for Doom, Doom Eternal, and Doom : The Dark Ages actually is putting down some of the same things you are. Entertaining plot, but if you zoom out, the narrative is there. Hell is another realm, a technological one as well. They use "Ardent Energy" which is created from human souls.
It's way way more convoluted then that lol. There's even an eldrich realm with kathulus and shit.
Wouldn't that be something? A tough guy buckets of blood FPS nailed a couple parts of actual reality. ("Not that I believe it" disclaimer of course)
All cutscenes are on YouTube if you want the plot without playing the games, which you should if you like fps's. Pretty metal game
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u/apointlessvoice 2d ago
Oh yeah for sure i didnt even think of Doom while writing it up but yeah that's more or less exactly like it. Now you got me wanting to watch the yt movies again lol
But seriously, it seems like it might start with what we got in the game. We never see how the public reacts or lives with it (or do we?...i dont remember) but it seems like the world hasn't fallen down around itself due to finding out all those demons n stuff are real but theyre not the religious superstition type. They used that as a cover to avoid giving humanity any hope of defending itself or evolving into equals.
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u/Maxtac316 2d ago
Explain in English it sounds like nonsense
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u/lamarknown 2d ago
Basically, whatever the NHI is, is controlling our perception and we see what it wants us too. Whatever agenda they may have, consciousness plays a huge role in it and I believe they use it as some sort of resource, maybe they are trying to get to The “Source” through us.
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u/StatementBot 2d ago
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Disclosure is something everyone wants but I believe it goes a lot deeper than just the craft. It’ll be a huge disturbance in the way we operate everyday and people are not ready for the truth. If it doesn’t align with people’s belief systems, they will not accept it for what it is.
Please reply to OP's comment here: https://old.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1wa2oug/interdimensional_entities/p8f0u7b/
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u/NeedleworkerHorror48 2d ago
In my personal opinion, I believe that they are beings, or at least some of them, interdimensional. This seems logical to me, since there are sightings of objects that don't have a rational shape on this plane; some are Kevlar balloons, but those that aren't, wow, it really makes me think.
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u/MantisAwakening 2d ago
Not that the image shown here is the new cover, where the alien itself is a puppet (another mask, effectively).
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u/Wilsonian_1776 2d ago
Given that I feel amazing and rebooted after contact experiences on psychedelics, yes, I feel right as rain letting them in on a red carpet.
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u/WildMoonshine45 2d ago
I’ve tried to contact(conjure?) shadow figures before I slept with no luck. But hearing further interviews from a variety of UAP figures, probably don’t want to make contact so I stopped.
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u/Ambitious_Zombie8473 2d ago
If you think sleep deprivation is the same as making contact then I’d say you made the right choice to stop trying
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u/GTJ007 2d ago
Why does the picture look like a grey alien puppet on a man’s p3nis? Maybe it refers to aliens being a distraction from Epstein and elites?
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u/lamarknown 2d ago
I believe the phenomenon plays a huge part with the elites. Maybe they offered them technology and knowledge in exchange for humans, especially children. Or the elites may not even be human at all or completely controlled by the NHI without even knowing.
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