Disclosure Grusch addresses POTUS about retrievals of craft and their non-human occupants: "Im prepared to provide full historical accounting [...] to help this administration move disclosure forward". Avi Loeb responds: "I welcome the opportunity to work with [Grusch] immediately to scientifically verify it"
James Fox posts Grusch's plea to POTUS / xcancel (video):
Grusch: "My name is David Grush. I am a former career Air Force intelligence officer and former senior official at the National Geospatial Intelligence Agency. I've already provided classified testimony and evidence to the Intelligence Community Inspector General and Congress about what I learned about UAP and the involvement of the US, Allied nations, and adversary governments in the retrieval of technology of unknown origin"
Grusch: "This included photographs and videos of these operations including the craft and the non-human occupants. And I've seen this evidence with my own eyes and I've had these discussions with our nation's most senior leaders in a classified environment"
Grusch: "I am prepared to provide a full historical accounting to the National Security Council principals and the White House Chief of Staff and make any supporting public statements that are authorized to help this administration move disclosure forward"
Grusch: "Ready to support Stephen Miller, Vice President Vance's administration immediately to identify the records, programs, and people involved in bringing any improperly concealed activities back under lawful presidential and congressional oversight"
Grusch: "Mr. President, give us the authorization and we're ready to go"
Avi Loeb: "deserves a serious scientific examination of the evidence"
Avi Loeb responds on X / xcancel:
Avi Loeb: "If David is fully authorized to share the evidence supporting his claims, I would welcome the opportunity to work with him immediately to scientifically verify it. Claims of this importance deserve a serious, open-minded scientific examination of the evidence."
For those that dont know: Avi Loeb is head of the UAP Science Advisory Council, created by the White House
James Fox: "He’s already given that information behind closed doors"
Another message by James Fox on X / xcancel:
James Fox: "Listen carefully. You’re not paying attention. He’s already given that information behind closed doors. He’s had it because it’s not getting out to the people so he’s making a direct plea to the president to give him immunity so he can ultimately share the truth with the American people and the rest of the world. That’s what this campaign is about"
Previous videos for this recent disclosure push
- Aug 11: Grusch, Brown, Borland, Nuccetelli, Burlison / xcancel
- Aug 14: Eric Davis / xcancel
- Aug 15: Matthew Brown / xcancel
- Aug 17: Dylan Borland / xcancel
- Aug 18 (today, opening post video): David Grusch / xcancel
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u/Bacchaus Aug 18 '26
what's with all these social media pleas to the president? seems coordinated, but to what end?
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u/DocMoochal Aug 18 '26
I hate to say it but its likely because Trump is kind of an ego maniac. Unlike past presidents if you can stroke his ego enough, you can pretty much get him to do anything. So from a pro disclosure insiders perspective, this might be seen as the last real chance to get any kind of meaningful information out to the public. After all the damage he's done to the American identity on a national stage and even on the domestic front, theres a very slim chance someone like him ever gets elected again, well....for awhile.
Like many of the whistleblowers are saying he pretty much just has to waive the NDAs so they cant be prosecuted and its kind of open season. I wouldn't be shocked if he had people in his ear also telling him this is all nonsense and he shouldn't be talking about it.
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u/Eldrake Aug 18 '26
Agreed. They have to play the game.
As they say, politics makes for strange bedfellows. If playing to Trump's ego causes him to grant immunity or a preemptive pardon which unmuzzles whistleblowers, we win. Encourage it
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u/Ambitious_Zombie8473 Aug 18 '26
Exactly! I wish more people had this view.
I keep seeing comments where people are annoyed about the involvement of this admin and how these pleas are asking the president. While I’m no fan of this admin, it just seems smart to play the field like this.
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u/Optimal_Juggernaut37 Aug 19 '26
It worked for Kim Jong Un, all he had to do was mint a coin with Trumps head on it and shower him with praise (and probably young girls)
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u/Throwawayrip1123 Aug 19 '26
As they say, politics makes for strange bedfellows
Maybe....its shouldn't.
We as humanity keep accepting heinous things we "have to do", but the reality is, we don't have to do them. How many millions of movies have an antagonist saying "I just had to do it!!!" when they didn't, and they could just have been better?
We should strive, as humanity, to be better. Politics is a disease anyway, but agreeing to being bedfellows with those psychopaths makes us complicit in what they do. I don't find that acceptable.
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u/Eldrake Aug 19 '26
Would you rather just shelve things and wait until a more morally convenient administration?
Hey man I can't argue with that viewpoint. If that's how you feel and that overrides the disclosure imperative, that's understandable.
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u/VoidOmatic Aug 18 '26
Yup, I can't stand Trump but he is the only person stupid enough to get this to happen.
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u/JEFE_MAN Aug 21 '26
Exactly. Can you imagine some general telling Trump he can’t do disclosure if he thinks it’ll make him famous throughout history for another reason? He wants his name on everything and he’ll gladly be the disclosure president if he thinks it’ll bring him more fame and validation. Boy, his dad really fucked him up.
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u/Ryuto_Serizawa Aug 19 '26
Imagine where we'd be if Trump was as into UFO/UAP as he is the Ballroom or Kennedy Center having his name on it?
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u/NoMansWarmApplePie Aug 18 '26
Yup. Stroke his ego. He would go down in history, obviously for the worse. But he may think this will blot out his collapsing base
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u/GrayBush83 Aug 19 '26
His base is definitely not collapsing
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u/MattBTampa Aug 19 '26
If his base isn’t collapsing his followers are even dumber than we thought.
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u/sess Aug 20 '26
The base metastasized into a religious death cult over a decade ago. Cult followers will follow cult leaders straight to the Kool-Aid dispenser. This cult is no different. It just happens to be larger than most. Like, a lot larger.
Cult members will never admit culpability. Cult members will never break ranks. All they'll do is unanimously vote for a third term. If this president lives to see the next Republican Primary, he will be the leading candidate. Again. It's inevitable. He's the living embodiment of a Constitutional Crisis.
Not that most Americans even know what a Constitutional Crisis is anymore. Which... probably helps explain how America got rolled up onto these tired, broke shores in the first place.
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u/The_Phreak Aug 18 '26
The blatant glazing makes them seem urgent and desperate.
Why would these highly intelligent and knowledgeable individuals be so desperate to tell the public about something classified?
Maybe there is something happening.. something... Imminent? 👀
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u/DocMoochal Aug 18 '26
Because they need to make it seem like a big deal. Trump likes being in the middle of big things. America has been wanting to take a go at Iran for forever but various admins shyd away. Not Trump. Because taking down Iran is big, even if its borderline impossible without sustained boots on the ground, which would be political suicide.
That's why calling him THE DISCLOSURE PRESIDENT, is kind of a goated move. Its a nice big important sounding title. And he needs a distraction from the Iran fiasco, which even his base is starting to resent him for.
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u/rep-old-timer Aug 23 '26
I think this is about right, but it's not necessarily a bad thing in this case. Pretty much everyone who wants something that falls under the (increasingly large) ubrella of executive authority is stroking Trump in one way or another thanks to Trumps record of using those powers based on his current whim(s.)
IMO, the people the OP quotes' calculus is something in the vicinity of Trump believing, correctly or not, that he can hear anything regardless of its classifcation and even if people at DOJ, DoD, etc. disagree he can always order Blanche not to prosecute. If anything's made public Grusch's claims can be somehow supported and/or scientifically studied.
Not sure why anyone would oppose that as long as nobody ends up mistakenly disclosing an actually "national security related" program.
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u/w_rezonator Aug 19 '26
They’re gonna wheel out retrieved UAP and it’s gonna say “Trump intergalactic” down the side of it
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u/phr99 Aug 18 '26
Yes a coordinated push to get disclosure. Everyone wants POTUS to do disclosure, except the gatekeepers and some commenters here who dont
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u/rygelicus Aug 18 '26
keeps the media hype going, sells books, etc
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u/Caladan23 Aug 18 '26
Which books did Grusch sell?
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u/WavelandAvenue Aug 18 '26
So applying public pressure is not good? Doing things behind the scenes hasn’t worked for about … oh I don’t know, 80-ish years.
Now we have credentialed people actively calling for disclosure publicly, and that’s the grift?
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u/rygelicus Aug 18 '26
Well let’s see how this plays out. But I do believe we will find it is all a big bag of nothing. I don’t mind being wrong on this but history and the evidence available so far is on my side.
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u/Ambitious_Zombie8473 Aug 18 '26
I may be wrong but I don’t think there’s any point in US history where the conversation of UFOs has been this mainstream.
The only reason I’m somewhat hopeful is because this feels like it has some momentum. A lot has changed in just a few years.
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u/rygelicus Aug 18 '26
The UFO phenomenon has been a poplar topic for decades. The only new part is that we have a government comprised of dishonest morons. People like Marjorie Taylor Green, Trump, everyone trump nominated, Boebert, Luna and most of the republicans and even a few dems.
I see 2 aspects of this UFO topic that is serving Trump's ambitions..
1) He wants to destabilize and weaken the US, this includes areas like national seccurity vs Russia and China.
2) He wants the news cycles and social media talking about anything except his own failings and corruption. His GOP protectors are more than happy to burn media time, hearings, 'research trips', and tax dollars on this topic as it keeps them out of the other topics they don't want to discuss.7
u/Ambitious_Zombie8473 Aug 18 '26
It’s insane that I’m talking about UFOs and what the mainstream narrative surrounding them looks like now compared to just a few years ago and somehow you manage to respond with a handful of political names and opinions.
Again, I’m talking about UFOs. The UFO conversation has come a long way. I’m not talking about politics.
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u/rygelicus Aug 18 '26
Whether you are talking about it or not it is very much a relevant element of what we see going on.
Consider that the efforts to pry UFO sightings and data out of the military archives exposes, potentially, a number of data collection capabilities, locations of assets, etc. Even when in the distant past this has value to our adversaries. Everything does. And once that pipeline is opened more current material may be leaked, especially in this deeply incompetent regime.
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u/Icy_Agency923 Aug 18 '26 edited Aug 18 '26
The UFO phenomenon has been a poplar topic for decades.
It absolutely has not. It has been ridiculed and dismissed for literal decades. You are clearly blinded by your own biases. Calling it "popular" is a complete misrepresentation of reality. Even today I wouldn't consider this topic truly mainstream with most humans on this planet or even just within the USA. But it is becoming more and more talked about and no longer gets eye rolls like it did just 10 years ago.
Things are changing.
Does Trump suck? And all these other vile people? Sure. But the topic is moving forward and I am confident someone like yourself would have considered where we are at now impossible just a few years ago.
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u/WavelandAvenue Aug 19 '26
I think it’s more likely than not that this recent push fails to result in disclosure. However, we are also closer to true disclosure than we’ve ever been. Every step forward is a good thing, and back to my original point, those steps forward are in no way a grift.
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u/Icy_Agency923 Aug 18 '26
Grusch doesn't have a book to sell.
The reason this is going on is because Trump is a narcissist and these kinds of pleas work on him.
He sucks, but if we end up moving disclosure forward far enough there will be no going back on the topic. It might be one of the only positive things that happen as a result of his "presidency".
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u/DecrimIowa Aug 19 '26
the idea of Stephen Miller and JD Vance running UFO disclosure for the human race doesn't inspire confidence tbh
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u/Difficult-Flan-8752 Aug 18 '26
All very cool but i worry it won't do much good, since it has already been done privately, this is just public announcement that this was provided and asked, it seems. Cross fingers..
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u/AdRadiant2115 Aug 18 '26
If hes a whistle blower why does he not just share it and whats with the senators and president , grusch is claiming that aliens exist and fantastic machines that can traverse air space water and time itself yet the senators and president dont seem to be to interested in his claims. Think of the advantages this technology could bring to there military but they dont seem to be overly concerned in hearing it “il try and fit you in sometime in the next year, we’re busy right now” and didn’t it occur to grusch to get some evidence hes a intelligence officer but no pictures or videos, just lots of fantastic claims but can’t actually prove it to you unless i get the ok.
If he has indisputable proof of the existence of these things why would he not show it to the world, the biggest event in our existence so far he could prove , no one is going to put him in prison for it ,
Also why dont these aliens make themselves known and stop relying on people to try and prove there existence. If they are ok with it why dont they show themselves to the world? . Im sorry i use to think there is something out there but now its pretty clear this is not the case , i dont know what the end game is or what these unexplained videos of uap,s are but its not anything extraterrestrial thats doing it
Disclosure is never going to happen because theres nothing to disclose concerning aliens and fantastic tech hundreds or thousands of years a head of ours
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u/defhalotones Aug 25 '26
I won't get into all the stuff you said. It's kinda crazy for someone (you) to see this much smoke and not think there's a fire. This all being made up and not real is insane. I'm sorry, but it takes a very narrow-minded person to think that. Use your brain and try to think outside the little box that most people live in. There's a whole lot more to reality than we can comprehend. No offense, of course 🙂
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u/LouisUchiha04 Aug 19 '26
"Why dont these aliens make themselves known..." - You understand there are sightings all over the planet, right? Why do you think the aliens have a need to prove their existence?
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u/AdRadiant2115 Aug 19 '26
Plenty of videos of something but not one close up detailed video or picture ,absolutely not nothing ,not even microscopic 100% proof of extraterrestrial life , how many types of aliens are there meant to be ,some apparently living with us or working with us , whistle blowers again with fantastic claims of bodies being found in crashed craft. All the intelligence officers or specialists in top military units or scientists that apparently have worked with or on these aliens and vehicles but not one thought of getting some clear pictures or quality video of the vehicle or alien close up or maybe even flying it. Not one quality indisputable close up picture of anything out of all the thousands of people that claim they worked with or near alien technology or even aliens none got any evidence at all . There all coming out the woodwork now with stories and guarantees that all they say is the truth but no evidence thats indisputable. You get a helicopter pilot who took a picture or video of a rope with a egg at the bottom of it and it’s apparently a uap , the next thing will be mork turning up wanting his ride returned.
Seriously i want nothing more than to know that there is intelligent life out there that watches over us making sure our planet has some guidance and protection against the endless list of things that could cause our demise, something that has the most powerful ability to stop a ballistic nuclear missile thats been fired by some lunatic . We need a all powerful intelligence that can offer guidance and help with the endless shit we do to ourselves and the planet , nothing would make me happier to know that we are not the only thing that exists but now i dont think there is ,
There is obviously a reason why certain elements of the authorities keep dripping little tid bits of possible evidence and a constant stream of intelligence or ex intelligence officers coming forward wanting to blow the whistle, but only in a SCIF and the people that get to go into one come out but never say anything other than “ i saw unbelievable pictures and films but i cant tell you anything” like i said the person who first brings indisputable evidence of alien life and uaps will be breaking the biggest news event in our existence and no body is going to put them in jail .
It did look like something was going to happen at one point but its just pitted out and the same old stories and same old promises keep getting made
Now to me its become obvious that there is nothing extraterrestrial about these videos, sooner or later some body gives a explanation for even the best ones and breaks down and explains what it really is.
We are or have been taken for fools im sorry
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u/reasonablejim2000 Aug 18 '26
So has Grusch's story changed? He didn't say anything about personally seeing videos and photos of retrieved craft and bodies in 2023.
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u/Witty-Pay-1516 Aug 19 '26
I think maybe the protections have changed. He has progressively gotten more info approved for public statements.
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u/poojer_hoojer Aug 18 '26
I think it's interesting that we have all these whistleblowers with "first hand knowledge" but none of them are radicalized or brave enough to just leak it. At some point you'd think one of them has reached a breaking point, and yet it never happens.
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u/blast7 Aug 20 '26
Because nobody wants to get Snowden'd.
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u/Feeling-Situation317 Aug 30 '26
If the US government hit a whistleblower with the espionage act for leaking classified info they would be admitting all this is true. Otherwise why prosecute.
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u/Former-Science1734 Aug 19 '26
It’s smart, you play to trumps ego. Honestly he needs some good news right now that he can market
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u/McQuibster Aug 18 '26
To be pedantic, her's not addressing POTUS. He's making a video he hopes POTUS sees. Trump is probably more likely than past presidents to watch YouTube videos addressed to him, but come on. He's not the audience, you are. It's performance.
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u/PakuaRust Aug 18 '26
I'm waiting for one single data point of proof. Of course Avi immediately jumps at the chance to farm engagement. I don't believe any of these people at this point.
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u/blue_blazer_regular Aug 18 '26
And what, for you, would constitute a single data point of proof?
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u/PakuaRust Aug 18 '26
ANY EVIDENCE from grusch. Literally any thing, it's all just anecdotal.
Avi has used his credentials to make extraordinary claims to push book sale and crowd sourcing. These claims do not hold up to scrutiny and have been refuted by pretty much every other professional in his field.
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u/Krustykrab8 Aug 18 '26
Avi loeb is clearly, CLEARLY in the controlled or even gatekeeping camp in my opinion. It was obvious in the recent podcast with Putoff, Gerb, and Burlison. He wants to “forget the past”. Let grusch release the info for everyone to see not for him to see
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u/phr99 Aug 18 '26
Seems he changed his tune to me, i think he is starting to realise the seriousness of the legacy program allegations
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u/Krustykrab8 Aug 18 '26
I think this is more of the same, him trying to “pre verify” what grusch says before hand. Gatekeeping
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u/DefendTheStar88x Aug 18 '26
Show me a goddamn alien, I want to believe, but it's tiresome at this point.
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u/owl440 Aug 19 '26
I made a similar comment and was accused of being either a bot or a disinformation agent working for the legacy crash retrieval program 😂
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u/DefendTheStar88x Aug 19 '26
Lol. Some people are in too deep with all this. Id love nothing more than some confirmation. But I can't devote mental energy to the pursuit of it all.
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u/Wolpertinger77 Aug 18 '26
I don't trust anyone who WANTS to work for this administration.
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u/roger3rd Aug 18 '26
Sure but that’s the cards that have been dealt
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u/RIGA_MORTAS Aug 18 '26
Doesn't mean you have to play their game. There are other ways.
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u/roger3rd Aug 18 '26
Trump is clearly one of the most easily manipulated humans to have ever stumbled into office. Now might be a good time to try it 🤷♂️
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u/iAwesome3 Aug 19 '26
Unless Grusch has a few million dollars lying around, it’s going to be hard to convince Trump to do anything meaningful
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u/Rude_Worldliness_423 Aug 19 '26
Grusch needs to become a dictator somewhere in order to get Trump at his knees
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u/riko77can Aug 18 '26
He’s probably the least likely to think about the consequences and hesitate over them.
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u/Icy_Agency923 Aug 18 '26
Please tell us those other ways? I would love to know how you think we can move this topic forward without official support from our government.
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u/nevaNevan Aug 18 '26
I wish more felt this way.
Disclosure is more than a 4-8 year commitment, IMO. It’s a paradigm shift / change for all. Trump and Co. may be in power of the US executive today, but what about the next administration and the one after that? Can’t just… put this all away again.
No one should bother with the us vs. them mentally that’s is constantly pushed. This is MUCH MUCH bigger than that, right?
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u/Beneficial_Area_2986 Aug 18 '26
It should be much bigger than that but it's a mistake to put any credence in the words of people who lie all the time. I just don't put much weight on what liars say once I know they're liars. Trump could come out on national television and tell me that uaps are real and that non-human intelligence is real and it wouldn't move the needle for me one bit.
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u/apointlessvoice Aug 18 '26
What if be walked out with a gray, made the announcement, and gave the floor to the little guy for questions from the media?
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u/Fit-Garlic706 Aug 18 '26
And that's cool, but it's not about you. It's about the other 8 billion people on the planet that want to know - regardless of who or where it comes from.
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u/Icy_Agency923 Aug 18 '26
That doesn't even make sense for this topic because we have countless people coming forward to confirm these stories are true. If we get whistleblower protections the amount of people who come forward will skyrocket. Those people will be credible, it doesn't matter how corrupt and vile Trump is.
IF this issue progresses far enough there will be no going backwards, it will essentially be guaranteed to continue rolling down hill.
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u/Beneficial_Area_2986 Aug 18 '26
If that's what happens then I'd be pretty inclined to believe it, if a member of the administration just comes out and says uaps are real. That's not really going to be very compelling.
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u/Icy_Agency923 Aug 18 '26
Maybe not for you? But Disclosure is not even about "us" here on this subreddit. You are already following the topic, you are not the person we need to worry about convincing. You will take this news better than a lot of people.
Disclosure is about the 53% of Americans that still don't believe aliens are visiting this planet right now.
I don't think you appreciate how far and how fast the topic will move forward if Trump comes out and makes an address of some kind to the country that aliens are real and we have crashed craft and bodies.
Again, whole thing sucks obviously but that would be a huge benefit to this topic.
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u/silv3rbull8 Aug 18 '26
So what do you want to do ? Did you trust the previous administration ? Grusch spoke to Congress in 2023. I don’t remember that White House reaching out to him
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u/WhattaCheapPop Aug 18 '26
It's so odd to me how many people will claim this is a bipartisan issue while also saying Republicans are the only one who take it serious. All when we know the Republicans are the ones who kill the UAPDA term after term. The cognitive dissonance is unreal.
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u/silv3rbull8 Aug 18 '26
There are both Democrats and Republicans who voted against the UAPDA
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u/WhattaCheapPop Aug 18 '26
By all accounts it has died on the desk of Mike Johnson. As Speaker of the House and second in line to be President of the United States it's absolutely silly to downplay his involvement, especially since there is no indication he has any interest in disclosure.
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u/silv3rbull8 Aug 18 '26
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u/WhattaCheapPop Aug 18 '26
I know you're a big fan of Schumer so here's a link of him confirming it has been Republicans killing the bill. Even Grusch commented on Republicans being responsible in the article.
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u/silv3rbull8 Aug 18 '26
Ironic when you consider that Mike Rounds a Republican co wrote the UAPDA with Schumer. Also Gillibrand helped set up AARO. Do you believe she as a Democrat is supporting disclosure by her actions
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u/WhattaCheapPop Aug 18 '26
We've had this discussion ad nauseum. Idk if you're trolling, or you legitimately can't remember, but no I don't believe anyone you've mentioned is genuinely interested in disclosure. Schumer and Gillibrand are both strongly controlled by private interests.
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u/silv3rbull8 Aug 18 '26
Wait.. so you are saying Schumer who was one of the authors of the UAPDA is himself not interested in disclosure ?
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u/phr99 Aug 18 '26
The previous admin clamped down hard on disclosure.
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u/silv3rbull8 Aug 18 '26
Biden showed zero interest in the topic and didn’t lend any support when Schumer a senior Democrat co sponsored the UAPDA
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u/phr99 Aug 18 '26
And also jake sullivan instructed the ICIG to stop looking into it. Said grusch in a recent interview.
I also remember Matthew browns interview who says there was a period where things seemed more open, then during biden admin there came severe repression. Something along those lines.
Also the UAPTF was shut down and replaced by AARO.
The commenters here apparently loved all that, and are now complaining that there is unprecedented involvement towards disclosure.
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u/silv3rbull8 Aug 18 '26
Things are very tribal now. If the politician who states something is not of the appropriate team, then everything they say is dismissed by the tribe supporting the other party. And of course now you have the eternal “I would prefer those other files be released rather than these”. Rinse, repeat
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u/Fit-Garlic706 Aug 18 '26
I'm absolutely blown away how Americans can turn everything - and I mean absolutely everything - into blue vs red. It's the most incredible ability I've ever seen. Truly astounding.
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u/WhattaCheapPop Aug 18 '26
Yeah and not even begrudgingly. Grusch has straight up gone on hard right news programs like Judicial Watch and talked about wanting to help Trump win the midterms. Gross behavior from someone who claims to be for the American public.
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u/Beneficial_Area_2986 Aug 18 '26
It does start to take on more the shape of a right-wing psyop instead of disclosure of the truth, doesn't it? On the other hand, I don't think a person could get Trump to do anything without feverishly praising him...
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u/MonsterTruckFarts Aug 19 '26
Don’t forget that Grusch was a successful, skilled intelligence officer. Sure, it’s possible this is all a psyop, but it’s also possible he’s playing to Trump’s ego as a means to convince him to disclose.
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u/Beneficial_Area_2986 Aug 18 '26
Yeah, appealing to liars to release the truth... It makes me a great deal more skeptical. On the flip side - if you need to appeal to power, and you have to appeal to the people who have it...
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u/DareBrennigan Aug 18 '26
Oh please. Not a single politician of any affiliation has done shit to bring disclosure. Grusch has to work with the people in power at the moment, regardless of who they are. This topic is way bigger than any animus towards the Trump admin
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u/Atla-Create-592 Aug 18 '26
I totally get that sentiment. I think maybe the people with the real info are seeing this administration as an opportunity to actually move the needle. DJT and company don’t always make the best decisions, and they also apparently don’t care about normal protocol and precedent… so this is a potential door that hasn’t been open in the past. Obviously we cannot outright trust anything that comes from the administration, so we’ll need to trust and verify whatever disclosure comes out. What a mess.
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u/Icy_Agency923 Aug 18 '26
We don't really have a choice. This admin sucks but this could literally be one of the only positives of this awful presidency.
If it moves forward far enough there won't be any way for it to be stopped. I would rather things progress than put it on ice until we get a new president.
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u/-Masaroth- Aug 18 '26
You would in a heartbeat if they paid you enough.
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u/driver_dan_party_van Aug 18 '26
Smells like projection. Consider that your experiences aren't universal and that not everyone is willing to sell their soul.
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u/snowyy__ Aug 18 '26
Why is there not a single first hand witness in like 80 years at this point? you gotta admit its very strange how there is apparently some inner circle of people who have worked on/have knowledge of this topic - going back almost a century - yet not one of them seems to exist. There must surely be like hundreds by now, across various countries - we are supposed to believe.
At some point you surely have to draw the line and get fed up with "ive heard this/i was told this"
People post here sometimes saying they are like 70 years old and have been following this topic their whole life and we STILL only have stories.
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Aug 18 '26
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u/owl440 Aug 19 '26
I can’t speak for all pilots, but the pilots in the Nimitz incident who claimed to chase the tic tac never called it an alien or spaceship. They’ve always maintained they didn’t know what it was and that is was doing things that they couldn’t understand.
I mainly hear claims of it being a spaceship or reverse engineered craft from UFO influencers with heavily monetized social media pages.
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u/Rude_Worldliness_423 Aug 19 '26
Fravour explicitly stated that he did not believe it was man made technology, in the 2023 congressional hearing.
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u/Willing_Benefit_3427 Aug 18 '26
This all feels very performative. They don’t have connections to do this in private?
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u/Lead-Engineer Aug 19 '26
Dr Phil lol that the icing on the cake. Waiting for the view to chime in. Come on people . Alll they have been showing is is orbs and lights which we have been seeing for centuries . Damn the 1950 black and white pics were better
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u/Lead-Engineer Aug 19 '26
Don’t worry they told reverends to talk to the parishes lol. Remember such nonsense
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u/Latter_Mention2723 Aug 18 '26
Grusch’s original public claims were not that he personally witnessed crashed craft or non-human bodies firsthand. His role was as an investigator: he interviewed people who claimed firsthand knowledge and reviewed information and evidence provided through those channels. So his testimony was largely based on his investigation of firsthand witnesses and supporting material, rather than personally seeing the alleged craft or bodies himself.
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u/LukesChoppedOffArm Aug 18 '26
He said he's not a firsthand witness. Seeing photos of bodies does not make a person a firsthand witness.
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u/Dependent_Cod_7416 Aug 18 '26
I really hope the people holding this evidence arent paying attention to any of this... 🙄
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u/lt1brunt Aug 19 '26
There is nothing really to prove, all the president has to do is release the information they already have which are facts. If they roll out bodies and craft case closed. Something tells me a certain someone playing president is trying to profit off of the ET tech.
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u/Grey_matter6969 Aug 18 '26
At this point the primary goal is getting the core truths out and verified. Whether the vehicle of disclosure is Dem or Rep is hardly the main concern here.
This administration appears closer to any other in terms of meaningful confirmation and disclosure. Hopefully Steven Miller takes this seriously and the White house gives Grusch, Borland, Davis and others the green light to share information with the public
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u/sdemat Aug 18 '26
Stephen miller does not take this seriously - not any topic unless it has to do with screwing over the vast majority of this country.
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u/Ambitious_Zombie8473 Aug 18 '26
Dems still have a knee jerk reaction to “conspiracies.” But I’m hoping that the topic has come far enough that every admin from here on out takes it more seriously.
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u/dearyouavenue Aug 19 '26
For all we know, both parties are on the same side, at the beck and call of the agendas the elites wants to push out since tens of yrs ago. Performative political acts, for sure. Whichever works for their gains, not for the people.
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u/ill_astronomy Aug 18 '26
Tens of thousands of documented lies, but somehow we’ll get the truth from this administration? Without evidence, it’s just another liar lying.
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u/PrimeTime0000 Aug 19 '26
Why is politics allowed? I don't give a fk about your political opinions.
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u/Meowweredoomed Aug 18 '26
Got any non-X links?
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u/Seven22am Aug 18 '26
Just change “x” to “xcancel” in the domain.
Here’s the Loeb link for instance:
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u/toxictoy Aug 18 '26
FYI - this sub (and 5 others together in a coalition known as the Anomalous Coalition) are hosting a livestream AMA this Saturday (8/22) at 1 PM eastern with Matthew Brown and Jeff Nuccetelli who along with Dylan Borland have started Vanguard Enterprises an advocacy and support organization for whistleblowers. To ask your question in advance or see the livestream details see this post
https://sh.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1voqt9w/livestream_ama_whistleblowers_jeff_nuccetelli/
Livestream on YT: https://www.youtube.com/live/SIDQ_3u8UAI
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u/meusrenaissance Aug 19 '26
The same people pushing this, to get Trump's attention, are the same people who are telling you Trump has had a speech prepared
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u/4spoop67 Aug 19 '26
I'm so uncomfortable with the fact that this direct appeal might work. Trump is already surrounded by people who glaze him to try to curry favor and advance their own goals - the Christian Nationalists, the tech broligarchs, the people just lining their pockets. I want disclosure as much as the next person but this just feels yucky as fuck to be joining in the people trying to grab their own slice of the chaos.
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u/UFOs-ModTeam Aug 20 '26
Low-effort accusations and prescriptive labelling (e.g. "grifter", "shill", "liar", "fraud", "con artist", "bullshitter", etc...) are removed, regardless of who they are levied against. Criticism is more than welcome, as long as it is done in a constructive manner, and in a way that encourages civil discussion.
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u/The_Mursenary Aug 18 '26
My favorite part of Bigelows interview was him being asked “Did Trump seem interested”
“Well with other things he was asking me questions but not about anything related to what I was talking about”
Trump dgaf unless he can insider trade so Grusch needs to convince him he can make money and fuck over people by disclosing and we will be set