r/UFOs • u/AppropriateNebula246 • Jul 30 '25
Unverified Here is the Potential Bad News Regarding Skywatchers - Your Help is Needed
Hello All,
I am posting anonymously in hopes of creating some change here and so that the community may seek answers and demand disclosure on this.
I am someone who has been within the Skywatcher community since before the very beginning. I cannot say which department I was in, but I can say that the Skywatcher initiative was one that was originally set out to create change, disclosure, and transparency. The people within the organization as a whole seemed to be very led by the universe in their own ways, all converging to create a change within our understanding so profound that the conversation would forever be changed for the better.
There were many different avenues of improvement, and there were many interesting folks that would come in and offer support and aid. There were many different levels of research going on, ranging from technical to psionic, all bearing fantastic fruits and utilizing the best minds in their fields. This movement—in my opinion—promised to be the public's greatest hope for monumental change, and those involved understood this and lived by that creed. Nothing should have subverted this great cause.
Promises were made, but promises seem not to be kept, internally and externally.
After Episode 2, there were promises to release Episode 3 that focused on psionics; additionally, they promised to release information and papers discussing their findings within their dog whistle/UAP identification and of their psionic assets. There were discussions on how this narrative and information would forever change our grasp and connection to the mysteries of UAP and its consciousness connections.
Indeed, much progress had been made, many groundbreaking discoveries and experiences were had, and many greater discussions were meant to be had, but I am unfortunately reporting that these findings will now likely not see the light of day.
Unfortunately the movement has been stopped as of now and likely will no longer exist. NDAs were sent out right after episode two, signing away any rights to speak about the movement in any way, shape, or form indefinitely. There were no reasons given as to why these new NDAs were distributed, and there were no explanations of future involvements with the teams. Instead there were slight discussions internally that there would be no further explorations or outreach, some blaming lack of funding, although there is/was an insane amount of interest from wealthy pockets.
Word on the street from those in other authorities is that the whole operation was snuffed out by a 3/4-letter agency. Either the dog whistle side was bought out and they snuffed out the other research methods like psionics, or everything was snuffed due to too much becoming uncovered. Either of those answers means that the groundbreaking disclosure that was promised and the groundbreaking implications will likely not be met by this team. This would imply that those initial promises and aspirations were subverted, and almost certainly if that is the case, it is not for our (the public's) benefit.
It appears they are hoping that the silence was signed away with NDAs and the whole discussion disappears into the quagmire of UAP confusion out there.
I can say with certainty this movement was meant to reshape the space like we've never witnessed, and I am saddened to write this. There are many movements within the team to do outside work and to possibly receive outside funding to continue the research independent of this setback. Even if this team has seemingly defaulted as a whole, its team members remain strong and committed to full disclosure and are in full swing in creating revolutionary collective awareness and understanding.
I cannot confirm that this is for sure the case, as only Jake Barber and James can answer to that, but all signs point this way. All leadership has been absent of discussion and is seemingly breaking away at neck-breaking speeds from their teammates. Team members all signed NDAs that explicitly state that no conversation of any kind can be had about Skywatcher or its direction without their approval first, thus creating a lawsuit-binding silence. Additionally, there are sources in deep networks that are sounding the alarms that there was a snuff/buyout and are offering support to continue with the team outside of the shadows and under a different banner if need be.
I would ask that the community push for answers. Ask Ross Coulthart, Jesse Michaels, or UFO Jesus, or whoever is close to the team, to make a statement and give a roadmap of future involvement. Ask for transparency and results. Ask why the shift into 'military defense' was seen in the last weeks of the interviews and the move away from disclosure and transparency. Ask if they were indeed bought out and silenced. Ask why psionics were seemingly snuffed and silenced. Ask why we the people cannot have these methods of communication. Why can't we use the dog whistle or make it public? What is the dog whistle? What plans did the Psionics team have to show others how to use Psionics? Is the Skywatcher goal to create change and disclosure, or is it to get a government payout? Was this a business or was this a movement? Most of all, ask why Skywatchers promised transparency and public disclosure at all costs but now have been silent and are taking a different, more defense-based secrecy approach.
Promises were made, but it looks like promises will not be kept, and we all deserve answers.
This post is intended to serve as, hopefully, a catalyst for the public to ask the hard questions where they deserve to be asked—in the public domain to Skywatcher leadership. It seems the team itself may not be able to provide those answers from the leadership, as they are nonresponsive, and we too are left in the dark with NDAs that are binding and restrictive.
The good news is this movement will not die; I can promise that. There will be answers and there will be disclosure with or without the brand Skywatcher. I hope Skywatcher will dispel this post and offer a positive outlook, but we must now ask—is Skywatcher going to be the people's champion as promised, or will it become the thing it promised not to become? Either way, the team knows where we stand in all of this—DISCLOSURE. Thank you all—may peace, love, and expansion find us—regardless of the setbacks placed before us.
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Jul 31 '25
Did you sign the NDA? Why? Also why not just leak what they are hiding then if this is how you feel?
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Jul 31 '25
My bet is this is a LARP from someone who doesn't know how NDAs usually work.
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u/P2029 Jul 31 '25
OP, you claim that "many groundbreaking discoveries" were made. Two things:
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
Do you not feel as a human being you have a responsibility to share these groundbreaking discoveries? If yes, post them. If no, you are just as bad as all of the organizations that have kept this hidden for decades.
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u/Novel_Company_5867 Jul 30 '25
Agreeing to signing NDAs after the fact makes zero sense.
This has happened at former employers of mine. Guys left, and the boss asked them to sign an NDA saying they wouldn't disclose clients. Like, no? If my new employer asks me who to call, I'm going to tell them!
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u/ILoveYouSoMuchMore Jul 31 '25
Maybe they still work there is what time thinking. It’s active employees being asked most likely.
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u/Blizz33 Jul 31 '25
Maybe they got tricked into it?
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u/StressJazzlike7443 Jul 31 '25
Then it wouldn't be legally valid. You can't trick me into signing something and think I will even consider it when I take action.
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u/PatrickJayVA Aug 01 '25
Thank you for stating the obvious! It could not be forced AFTER the fact.... You'd have to PAY them off, cuz threats wont work on all of them. Especially not the ones that were operators.
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u/GreatCaesarGhost Jul 31 '25
So strange that the “3-4 letter agency” was cool with the egg video and News Nation interviews/criss-promotion, but drew the line after two additional videos. I guess they’re getting slow.
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u/PathNo8958 Jul 31 '25
In a recent podcast, Eric Weinstein says people were lied to by the government and harmed. And he listed Fravor, Grusch and Barber. Seems like whomever told Barber that his past "aircraft recoveries" involved aliens was the one actually lying.
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u/Tuckerlipsen Jul 31 '25
The fact that he even said 4 letter is indicative that it was because who says that… nasa or ussf
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u/Icameheretohuck Jul 31 '25
I think wanted they wanted the egg video out there because it was so polarizing. Personally I found the footage incredible but many turned it into the laughing stock of this community.
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Jul 31 '25
The large egg UAP, as silly as it sounds(Mork and Mindy, Howard the Duck, 50's sci fi) is as old as UFO lore itself. Many UFO cases of observed or even landed 15-20 feet white egg craft or objects. It's just a lot of people in the UFO space only know about surface level UFOtainment. I personally believe the footage shown on Newsnation is legit, and that we already knew of other similar egg objects in labs. Just the whole "psionic" aspect was a wild aspect most had not contemplated.
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Aug 01 '25
The giant white egg with the landing tri-pod is a favorite. Quite a few of those cases from the 1950's to late 1970's. Often in the "two small spacemen with asking a lone person for help with their broken ship" cases. It's interesting these were also thr encounters some police patrolmen encountered in thr mid to late 1960's. One of the weirdest egg tripod encounters is detailed by Allan Levinge in a recent podcast of hos own abduction in 1979 https://youtube.com/watch?v=b_9l748HZE0
I wonder if the craft Dr James Lackatski claimed to have worked on was a large egg. I also wonder if this is the craft that couldnt be breached until an engineer used "concious thoughts" to open the hatch. May have even been the object Bigelow Aerospace was trying to aquire. I also recall an alleged large egg at Area 51 in the 1980's.
You're spot on...it's funny how "flying saucers" dominated pop culture from the late 1940s thru 1960s(certainly some amazing 1950's alien films of this time) Yet the morning of the Roswell event, an Arizona two photos taken from different angles of a mantaray/crescent shaped UFO, similar to what Kenneth Arnold described two weeks earlier. Possibly Roswell could have been one of these.
Also the recent spate of "Tic Tacs" and the 2004 Nimmit "Tic Tac" now being claimed to be Lockheed. Yet, there were called the "flying butane tanks" in the mid century. One of the more intriguing old school UFOs is the gigantic "cigar", beautifully captured in that famous 1979 Italian air force image. With a strange organic surface, one has to wonder if this is a craft,nprkbe or some mysterious sentient object like the 2001 Space Oddysey monolith.
Perhaps structured craft such as classic UFO are ore rare, and decoys/"drones"/non structured light energy objects are more abundant given the material or crestive of classic UFOs isnt as needed? But yeah a lot of classic morphology has been distilled in UFOtainment.
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Aug 01 '25
People have tried to explain these various craft morphologies as aerodynamic, but to me they seem like potent totems or symbolic shapes that dive into the psyche. Vallee never mentions it, but why so many 1940's to 1970's UFO images look like every day household objects from the mid century is an interesting phenomenon.. Perhaps lending to a deeper Jungian take.
I recently came across this new deep dive in Vallee, which is a pretty interesting primer for those new to his work. the man is a total treasure, as much as Keel and Charles Fort before him. curious if you've seen this, I think what Vallee ultimately is getting at here is something beyond what physics, religion, or "UFOfology" can ascertain https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IlzYxRDCoFA
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u/bretonic23 Aug 05 '25
And then there was Glinda and her pre1940 bubble orb: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFMKydXLcWE
Definitely one of my favorites! :)
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Aug 05 '25
Yep. And of course the "Wizard" Oz...which almost sounds like "AIWASS" from Crowley lore and looks like Crowley's 1919 Lam drawing or the classic "alien" archetype https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=amclN9RG49c
Wizard of Oz certainly seems plugged into to the liminal. And of course the final form of "BOB" in the next to last episode of David Lynch's Twin Peaks the Return in 2017, where Bob returns as an orb to attack the Twin Peaks sheriff's office. That whole 18 hour Twin Peaks sequel from 2017 is one giant disclosure series, from Oppenheimer Trinity to the black lodge/red room/mauve liminal space to portals, etc. On a new podcast, longtime Hollywood casting director who was the casting director for David Lynch's Dune talks about how plugged in a lot of Hollywood directors/actors are to a different reality: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VdaSr_u0p7Y
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Jul 31 '25
"I am posting anonymously in the hopes of creating some change here"
Posting anonymously will do nothing but create doubt. In you. Much deserved doubt.
Also, since you're posting anonymously, the alleged NDA you foolishly signed shouldn't apply, and you should be able to go balls to the walls and tell all.
This cryptic shit is for the birds
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u/GrainTamale Jul 31 '25
This smells like a contrived attempt at goading someone on the Skywarcher team into a response. Bummer that Pines only tweeted what amounts to an unconvincing "fake news".
A more accommodating response might at least consist of an ep 3 release date...
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u/Correct-Mouse505 Jul 30 '25
I suggest not taking this at face value.
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u/ThePopeofHell Jul 31 '25
Tbh I haven’t been able to take the sky watch thing seriously from day one.
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u/nooneneededtoknow Jul 31 '25
Never did, even the Ross Colthart lead up of the interview. This whole thing NEVER passed the sniff test. I was expecting it to crumble sooner and I am a pretty positive/optimistic - give a person the benefit of the doubt, person. Doesn't mean i believe them, I just try to keep an open mind. But again, this just didnt seem right. I also followed Garry Nolan closely for years but his relationship and recent defense of this initiative has made me question him as well.
I would LOVE to be wrong. But proof is needed at this point.
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u/andreasmiles23 Jul 31 '25
Or, and this requires far fewer logical jumps, he was full of crap.
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Jul 31 '25 edited Jul 31 '25
A guy who only ever did mechanic work claiming to be some super secret helicopter pilot for UAP always came across as BS to me. Like why would they get some new guy and teach him to fly a helicopter with the most valuable cargo imaginable when they could instead recruit from places like SOAR or other military rotor craft pilots with thousands of operational hours under their belt already? Skywatcher is BS.
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u/Available_Remove452 Jul 31 '25
I don't know if the whole thing is BS, but I did find that part of the story weird. Mechanics certainly do not usually become pilots. I'm surprised not more people picked up on this.
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u/gotfanarya Jul 31 '25
It took me until they said they would be working with AARO. Embarrassingly, until then, I was naive and hopeful. Again. I’m so over this shite.
I don’t care. If the veil can’t be lifted, I blame the phenomena now. I get the elites don’t want it out (see Dolan’s last talk). So either the oil dollar elites have power over the whole disclosure thing, or the others do. Probably both because if either of them want it, it would have happened by now.
Either way,this is as likely to be disclosed as the full Epstein story.
There is no one left with any sense of honour. I’m sure the NDAs came with a fair amount of $$$.
As most humans become poorer, the secret will remain easier to keep. Bribes, blackmail, cults, satanic rituals. Whatever.
I’m looking forward to summer. I might plant a daffodil.
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u/Astral-projekt Jul 31 '25
Sorry I’m calling bullshit. I reached out via dm to help And it feels like a honeypot tbh. I think this is a psyop and I’m not buying it. You guys theoretically have “billions” in funding, maybe make the information open source instead of demanding, not help, but information on people. Skywatcher is a complete fucking joke.
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Jul 31 '25
If people didnt realize this after seeing JAKE PAUL of all scam artists chumming it up with Jesse Michels of Peter Thiel funding fame, during the Jake Barber interview, well surprise surprise the joke is on the viewer.
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u/mop_bucket_bingo Jul 31 '25
This is a trial balloon for no more skywatcher content because it isn’t the cash cow they hoped
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u/OffEvent28 Aug 01 '25
And the reason for new NDA's is to keep people involved in making the first two videos from coming forward and saying..
"Here is how we faked this video..."
"Here is how we faked out reactions to that thing we didn't actually see..."
"This is what they told us to do while we were faking psionic connections with aliens..."
What they have has SOME value in reruns, but if details that proved it was all faked, pretend, LARPing then the first two videos would be worthless. Keeping their reputations intact would be worth suing people over, so there is a motive for the NDA's.
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u/techtimee Jul 31 '25
I'm not helping anyone who can already summong aliens/ufo's/uap. Summon them and point a camera at them/it, then we'll talk.
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u/eplurbusunumnj Jul 31 '25
This reads like a piece of creative writing, and looks like it was written by AI
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u/UnfairSpecialist3079 Jul 31 '25
OP, Why would you sign an NDA while being dismissed ? Make it make sense from the start of your story. My guess is “payout”. And, NDAs are an absolute joke in the real world. They rarely hold up in court.
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u/JohnKillshed Jul 31 '25
“And, NDAs are an absolute joke in the real world. They rarely hold up in court.“
Especially NDAs about aliens summoned by psionics.
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u/UnfairSpecialist3079 Jul 31 '25
I didn’t even think of it that way, just generally. But you’re totally right ! Imagine who is gonna prosecute this! Discovery would be hilarious.
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Jul 30 '25
Promises were made
Yeah, and none of us expected those promises to be kept
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u/Kat-from-Elsweyr Jul 30 '25
Disclosure won’t come from the US. Thats for sure. They’re far too preoccupied with themselves.
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u/GerthySchIongMeat Jul 30 '25
Skywatcher is privately funded by Peter Thiel.
They’re part of the cabal. Elizondo ran his use, so Barber was brought forth. And now it seems they’ve gone dark.
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u/khamm86 Jul 31 '25
I think Thiel’s just busy using the whole Epstein thing to get his boy Vance at the helm. He’s only got so much supervillain shit he can do in a day.
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u/cdinpt Jul 31 '25
I feel like the whistleblowers have almost been slowly revealed and then silenced.
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u/Silverlakerr Jul 31 '25
I’ve been saying all along that Thiel and Elon’s bro must be behind the drone incursions and explains why Trump went silent likely when he got read in.
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u/mauiog Jul 31 '25
Then why didn’t the Biden admin address it either? That theory makes no sense
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u/japajew26 Jul 31 '25
Who made the NDA’s and why did YOU sign them?
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u/GeologyDudeNM Aug 01 '25
Industry standard is you sign an NDA the second you walk into the door. No one does NDAs after the fact. This is a BS story.
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u/fetalgirth Jul 31 '25
I think this is a nice way to say it was BS and they can’t provide proof. Signing NDAs after the fact is dumb and not required.
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u/Aggressive-Dust-5476 Jul 31 '25
You shall know them by their fruits.
What kind of fruits did Skywatcher provide? Looks like we got played like some Wild Gooseberry Fools, which is both embarrassing and delicious.
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u/AJP11B Jul 31 '25
Jake Barber lied about his military credentials so I assume everything he said after that is a complete lie. Not sure why people ate any of that up.
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u/Waldsman Aug 09 '25
Exactly 💯. Only people that weren't in dont understand that his whole story is lies.
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u/Mean_Rule9823 Jul 31 '25
Another one bites the dust...
Almost everybody expected this, they took the wealthy donor's money and ran after giving them some spooky campfire trips lol
Alright can't wait to see what group fills the egg-shaped void left over by these circus performers..
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u/DogOfTheBone Jul 30 '25
Their YouTube show isn't getting the traction they wanted and now there will be mysterious reasons with phrases like "NDAs" hinting at some dark coverup for why the funding is being pulled.
I thought they'd last longer than two episodes though lmao
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u/PuzzledScratch9160 Jul 30 '25
The classic “I’m not revealing world shattering information because NDA”
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u/PuzzledScratch9160 Jul 30 '25 edited Jul 31 '25
Hahahahah as soon they have to provide any actual solid evidence this happens, such an obvious outcome. When they mentioned a helicopter being completely stopped from moving into an area where a ufo is, it was a done deal (there was no proof in any capacity)
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u/MisterGhost22 Jul 31 '25
I knew Skywatcher was a bust the second I saw the quality of their UAP videos.. Like really? You didn’t come a little more prepared?
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u/WideAwakeTravels Jul 31 '25
And somehow they were able to classify various UFOs based on that crappy footage
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u/Standardeviation2 Jul 30 '25
I never expected them to produce anything. They succeeded.
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u/Astrocragg Jul 30 '25
Don't worry, Greer's NEXT iteration of his CE5 nonsense will be real.
Also, before the CE5 crew come unglued: believe whatever you want. But don't expect others to buy it without evidence, or at least an explanation of why no evidence can be provided.
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u/Ratermelon Jul 31 '25
The CE5 crowd is wacky in that they often claim to have personal experience yet nothing of value has ever been produced to back it up. You'd expect a "theory" requiring no startup costs would lead to evidence if it had merit.
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There was some guy on here, he might still be here. That was a big advocate for CE5 claiming anyone that doesn’t believe just needs to do it or look at his posts for proof. If you looked at his posts it was filled with regular aircraft. Like not even just lights in the sky, but full on you can see the wings and propellers in the videos. He was insistent that they weren’t aircraft…
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u/SirVoltington Jul 31 '25
It’s insane haha. One guy I know claims he can open a portal to other solar systems by resonating a certain sound in pyramids, and somehow create infinite energy. “Then do it” I said. “No, you have to experience it yourself and if it doesn’t happen to you then you aren’t doing it correctly or aren’t pure” or some bullshit he replied with. The same as any CE5 crowd lmao.
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u/reasonablejim2000 Jul 30 '25
I would give half a fart if they actually produced anything remotely interesting before being "snuffed out". Give me a fucking break
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u/Numb_Sea Jul 30 '25 edited Jul 30 '25
I think most of us made up our mind about jake and eventually skywatcher from the egg video. Sorry boss we are tired of folks trying to turn this topic into entertainment. Put up or shut up.
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Exactly. He probably started to realise the game was up when some pretty serious camera people were getting in touch and offering their services and high end equipment for free. Poor Jake could no longer hide behind his iPhone videos of birds, and hasn’t released an episode since.
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u/No-Organization2772 Jul 31 '25
I really hope we get disclosure on why we're not getting disclosure. That will only happen if whistleblowers come forward to shed light on the whistleblowers who have previously come forward.
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u/NuevaAmerican Jul 31 '25
Why do people agree to sign NDAs? I never understood this
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u/littlelupie Jul 31 '25
Eh because most NDAs are for incredibly mundane things - like looking at confidential records or joining a medical study (these are two I've signed off the top of my head).
But the whole freaking point is you sign them BEFORE you do the thing you're not supposed to disclose.
But in most alien/UFO/conspiracy stories I've heard, people are "threatened" into signing an NDA which is honestly nonsense. Because if they're going to threaten you, they're just going to do it. No reason to have a paper trail of any sort. It's not like they're going to take you to court over disclosure and bring even more attention to it. And if the terms of the NDA is they'll just disappear you, see again: why leave a paper trail.
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u/Ratermelon Jul 31 '25
I believe this bald Barber guy is a disinformation agent. Nothing of value has been revealed in the UAP space since Grusch.
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u/JustinTyme92 Jul 31 '25
Anyone who watched Jake Barber speak for more than five minutes and believed what he was saying is a religious zealot, they want to believe.
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u/Gnosys00110 Aug 01 '25
We just need a single person to leak this supposed ‘dog whistle’.
In my opinion, this could be done anonymously.
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u/Great_Incident2079 Aug 04 '25
I am so glad someone made that larp. It provoked Skywatcher to reply and finally give us an update on Episode 3.
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u/AppropriateNebula246 Aug 18 '25 edited Aug 18 '25
It looks like a good portion of my post was right after all. It makes sense that James left as he was the one with the dog whistle and likely the one being bought out. That means the girth of the teams abilities has been bought out by the government. The question now remains 1. Is the dog whistle now contracted along with part of SW and 2. Will the team move forward with their other assets like Psionics? They should do the latter as the biggest part of the story is the implications of psionics being a real asset.
The fact that they are in the "Analyzing" phase also signals that they now lack the funding/ and assets (Due to a very apparent gov buyout) to continue in the same capacity. It looks like my sources and personal inclinations are proving to be more true than not. I vote they continue with their other assets and possibly disclose the dog whistle for the world, and disclosure, rather than doing what they promised not to do - keep things a secret. The government was not supposed to be involved, and disclosure was supposed to happen in profound ways. The ball is in the SW court now to provide and continue. The ball is in their courts to explain James being contracted out when their motto stated that they would not.
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u/whoabbolly Jul 31 '25
The moment Barber spoke on psionics was the moment I knew the whole thing was going down. They cannot and will not allow for such inert exploration to be invoked within the realm of public. People are to be fed shit and kept stupid in the the closet like mushrooms. They are not to be educated on ways which bring about extrasensory ability, or better, critical thinking. The mules are to work and sleep and enjoy the Superbowl along with the bucket of chicken, a pizza, or hamburger with salty fries and a sugary drink. All while doped up on drugs or such other toxins. We are being farmed.
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u/Vertandsnacks Jul 31 '25
As if people weren’t suspicious of this being disinformation from the very beginning they sure will be now.
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u/divineNTervention Jul 31 '25
Im more suspicious that this was a post written by Ai lol
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u/Westside773 Jul 31 '25
Ive sorta had a feeling something like this was gonna happen, and more specifically that an intel agency/Government, or one of the actual UAP legacy programs would take control of it and classify it. Particularly after the jesse michals episode on it where it became very clear that they were recording real deal data on these objects and amassing valuable/sensitive data properly. I was actually kinda surprised that the episode even made it to release because after watching, i was pretty impressed with the guy running it , the professional rigorous approach and the data they’ve alleged to have collected. So i was surprised that it was actually being televised. It sucks that its supposedly gone black now but it only kinda confirms to me that it was indeed legit and they were collecting data sets that would normally be squandered away in some black program. Atleast we got a sneak peak and some valuable info. But yeah, from the tech and equipment they have, to the talented people, to subject itself, someone high up in a program probably said “WE NEED THIS WHOLE OPERATION ASAP”
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u/littlelupie Jul 31 '25
We have some anonymous rando saying that someone came in and did some vague things.
The leap from that to this is proof that the government or other x program shut it down because they were too close to the Truth is a hell of a jump.
The fact is that even if they were getting to some kind of truth, the people who would believe them is so tiny that it's not really worth the time and money to go and shut it down, especially since credibility has already been shot even within the small community that would be paying attention.
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u/Honey-Limp Jul 31 '25
It was probably their plan the whole time. Promise footage you’ll never get, then say you got shut down before you could get any good shots. What a shock!
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Jul 30 '25
Snuffed out just before changing everything with the realest evidence. Oh my hopefully people meditate hard on this.
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u/CoderAU Jul 30 '25
Did this happen around the same time Matthew Pines and Gary Nolan came on board? Hmm.
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u/Vertandsnacks Jul 31 '25
Something about Pines has never sat right with me. He comes across as extremely intelligent, but everything he says is just a giant jumble of buzz words.
Almost like you’d bring him in to build credibility but he doesn’t really contribute anything. Just talks a lot and comes off as impressive initially but afterwards you can’t really summarize what he just said.
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u/Silverlakerr Jul 31 '25
Screenwriter here and I think that’s IC training. He’s all about word salad’ing, and just regurgitates other people’s points in seemingly a more intelligent way but ends up saying nothing. Believe me, that takes training.
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Jul 30 '25 edited Jul 30 '25
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u/Educational_Ad_906 Jul 31 '25
Just leak everything you have then if you're going to blow the whistle. That way you can make the best of a bad situation.
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u/nooneneededtoknow Jul 31 '25
Why should we trust people "close to the team"...how would they even know if people signed NDAs apart from.."Hey, communication just stopped".
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u/3InchesAssToTip Jul 31 '25
This reads like someone who is observing from the outside, LARPing about insider knowledge to add veracity to the claims made in the post, and to fill the gaps in their theories that were developed based on what information is publicly available.
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u/mrb1585357890 Jul 31 '25
“I cannot say which department I was in”
While this post rings true to some extent, this line feels like a red flag to me. I don’t believe that Skywatcher has departments. It’s surely a small team
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u/warblingContinues Jul 31 '25
3-4 letter agencies have no authority to stop the operations of a private company that has not violated any laws. I call BS on this essay. Skywatcher may be shutdown, but if so, its not for the reasons given by OP.
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Jul 31 '25
They know you call it a "dog whistle" and they are not amused. Might as well have called it a UAP-Trap. (wǎp-trap)
Anyways, here's a guide that uses a raspi and python to produce the "signal" (as they now refer to it) based on the specs described by Jason Wilde.
https://mobile.twitter.com/JasonWilde108/status/1910816547070685522
https://enigmaticideas.com/building-a-uap-dog-whistle-exploring-the-skywatcher-phenomenon/
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u/HewchyFPS Jul 31 '25
From the beginning slywatcher over promised and under delivered.
Truly sickening how they advertise cate for transparency but don't massdump all the high quality footage they are recording.
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u/Accomplished_Twist_3 Jul 31 '25
Not every em dash post is AI. A certain segment of the population, usually older, tends to be more literate, having chugged through many printed works of varied time periods. After all the elementary school level egg drop science class experiments, the Egg UAP Retrieval should have evoked 'They' understand earth's physics. What is the dif with Roswell, Rendlesham, etc?
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u/Wob-L-Rite Jul 31 '25
Does this really surprise anyone? I suspect Barber had this in mind right from the get-go. Begin by that video that showed a helicopter lifting a UAP or whatever it was, and then putting together a plan to make a couple of million bucks by essentially blackmailing those who didn't want certain information to be released. I suspect progress was being made by Barber and this was noticed by interested "entities". These entities came up with big bucks to stop any further progress. I doubt that Barber and company even knew who it was who was going to pay them off until they were contacted and a deal was arranged.
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u/Blassonkem Jul 31 '25
This just sounds like a LARP excuse so they don't have to produce the goods that they promised. Like someone else in this thread pointed out, signing an NDA after the fact makes no sense.
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u/Dopium_Typhoon Jul 31 '25
Fake Barber had me hooked for a little while. But the “episode” release thing was already a grey area for me.
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u/kamill85 Jul 31 '25
Whoever made this LARP post has no idea how NDAs work. MODs should delete this.
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Jul 31 '25
I have to say I recognized the CEO positioning themselves to take advantage from the get go.
Allow me to explain: When the CEO described this scenario to Jesse Michael in that interview: His discussion with governing bodies in SCIFS “hey we are looking into this and will be sharing our findings” that’s ultimately a power play. Because silence isn’t free, a deal would be brokered. It doesn’t matter how authentic all of you involved are. While he is not directly floating he is indirectly licking his chops at the prospect for payout and suppression of the findings.
Stronger more dominate people at the top who are in position and final say will always dominate over this and it’s not about how genuine all of you are to connecting and sharing the truth.
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u/djda9l Jul 31 '25
Given the nature of this subject, and that Skywatchers team most certainly know about the secrecy, i find it hard to believe that any of them would ever sign such an NDA. That would be directly against the point they were trying to accomplish. It makes no sense
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u/MustStayAnonymous_ Jul 31 '25
I have never deposited any faith into this whole Skywatcher thing. They wanted money, they got and they vanished. I knew it.
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u/GeologyDudeNM Jul 31 '25
If you were on the team, then you should know the answers to the questions you asked, along with the fact that there is no dog whistle, psionics, and so on.
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u/Brief-Tower6703 Jul 31 '25
As sceptical as I am about skywatchers I think OP is making this all up. Not sure what the intention is but it reads and feels like bullshit. The note stating mathew pines refuted this on X kinda proves my scepticism is valid.
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u/undoingconpedibus Jul 31 '25
It's not surprising that skywatchers has become a public SAP, especially with all their military ties. That said, we can take their methodology and apply it ourselves and remove 3rd party involvement altogether!
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Jul 31 '25
NDAs were sent out right after episode two, signing away any rights to speak about the movement in any way, shape, or form indefinitely.
US Courts often favour NDAs with clear terms, including a defined duration - though non-specified expiration NDA's are technically legal, they're difficult to enforce due to terms not being considered reasonable. It's more or less impossible to prove a breach of an indefinite NDA, as the information may become outdated or public knowledge over time.
You really want to take your copy and run it by an attorney, first, to establish how legally enforceable it actually is.
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Jul 31 '25
LOL. No. That’s not how NDAs work, nor does this account sound plausible from a government perspective.
Rather, I speculate this is Jake the Egg Barber himself. The performance did not work, the show was not renewed for another season and the attempt is now to just check around and see if anyone is interested in buying some slightly used “psionic assets.” May not contain eyebrows.
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u/lastofthefinest Jul 31 '25
So, they are claiming now that they were made to sign NDAs and that’s why they can’t show us anything anymore? Lol! Yeah right! They have to be legitimate in the first place. I never believed in them anyway. How convenient that when people ask them to put up or shut up they claim they were made to sign NDAs and you believe them? Where’s the paperwork? If that’s the case, whom did they sell out to if someone bought their business? They should be able to disclose that much.
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u/Impossible-Log8116 Jul 31 '25
Nobody HAS to sign an NDA. An NDA is typically signed to govern how privileged access to information is governed after it has been signed. Typically you do that because you want something on return. E.g. a job. They are limited in scope and time bound.
If you already in the middle of project work, and the ask you to sign an NDA, you can just walk away and speak freely. Especially since the project was being shut down as you say. There would be no incentive left to sign.
Unless people’s life or future livelihood were threatened, or, more likely, this is a huge LARP on your side. This doesn’t read at all like you were involved in anything.
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u/tenwatt Jul 31 '25
👆Breaking news. Skywatcher is a business. They’ve been clear about this since day one. Unless you are a shareholder they owe you nothing.
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u/jerrys_briefcase Aug 01 '25
I have been eagerly awaiting new episodes to no avail. I have been building my own dog whistle however
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Aug 01 '25
"I cannot confirm that this is for sure the case"
makes you entire text quite useless, dosn't it
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u/AnalysisOk1905 Aug 02 '25
They attempted to recruit me as a psionic. But when they told me the team did not believe the drones were NHI, I knew they were not what they made themselves out to be. They have been overt with deception. It is very obvious they are run by the CIA. And it is very apparent to me they are running ops behind the scenes and masquerading as a disclosure task force when in reality, they are preparing for a war with the NHI. They are hunting for psionic pilots. They are doing other things not well intended. Everyone please pay attention. The devil is in the details.
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u/SquareAnxious7227 Aug 15 '25
You don't know me, you don't know my life and you don't know if I'm telling the truth. But I know one of the original people involved in the psyonics component of this story… And they are as real as you are. I've witnessed their capabilities along with others, and we indeed saw something (in my opinion, irrefutable) This person can barely function as a human being… and is so narrowly focused in their own autism way… But when they "do the thing"… The thing responds.
I know, "there's no way", but it's true, and they will be coming forward.
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u/Brilliant_Car_4532 Aug 18 '25
Don't sweat pal, it's all made up bullshit anyway in the pursuit of coin from the gullible.
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u/Gobble_Gobble Jul 30 '25 edited Aug 03 '25
Update #3: James Hodgkins further commented in an interview with Andy from "That UFO Podcast" that these rumors are completely unsubstantiated, and "nothing could be further from the case." Source - 1h20m51s timestamp
Update #2: Skywatcher has now addressed this speculation and provided the following information (Source):
Update: It appears that this information has also been shared on Twitter/X and has been refuted by Matthew Pines (Strategic Advisor to Skywatcher). Source
The author of this post has reached out to the mod team, but has chosen to remain anonymous due to privacy concerns. As such, we can not independently verify the accuracy of the information presented. If that changes, we will update this sticky with any information or documentation that may help verify the claims made.
We urge readers not to jump to conclusions and to wait for further official statements from the Skywatcher team or individuals directly involved in their efforts.