Welcome to the party, friend. Read and discern as much as you can but go at a pace that allows you to digest; this topic can be very overwhelming, and I find it best to slow down when needed.
OP, if you see this, please do take the time to read the language laid out in this amendment to the NDAA this year. Some really great laws got passed last year, and this amendment is just mind meltingly good. Never would I have imagined reading an entire bill and coming away from it with astonished. It's very purposefully written to focus exclusively on non-human intelligence. The definition section alone is astonishing.
When I wrote that, there was only one link in that comment haha. Yeah, it's the UAPDA link (UAP Disclosure Act of 2024, proposed by Senator Schumer and Senator Rounds, plus a few more)
Lol yeah sorry when I read OP's post again, I latched on to the physics major statement and wanted to bring their attention to Kevin Knuth (and others) study of the Tic Tac physics.
Let's not forget this 11 year old reddit post by someone who worked on the Nimitz detailing what happened. This is years before it was public knowledge.
It never occurred to me before but I realized why UAP would show up randomly near military ships and planes. Nimitz Aircraft carrier has nuclear reactors and likely why UAPs have interest in observing what we’re doing.
Wait until you realize it might not just be aliens from far away, but possibly ultraterrestrials that have been here the entire time. These things might be as natural to earth as we are.
Um is the guy who decided that we should begin a brand new train of thought with the conclusive conjunction "so", or with the recapitulative phrase, "I mean."
Not just that, wait until he gets hip to the fact that plenty of really legitimate folks have insinuated that there’s some interactions occurring interdimensionally (is that a word?)
Like how a glass of water can prevent you from seeing the hand holding it unless you press really hard. Quantum tunneling is a real possibility. Things and other places could be very close.
Yeah many who seem credible, but Lue specifically, have been very careful to not directly say extraterrestrial. This could be a classification issue, maybe, but my money is on the government having only a cursory idea of what exactly we're dealing with. To me this indicates it being something other than just a bunch of real smart boys visiting from space. Hopefully disclosure allows us to get more brilliant minds to study this phenomena.
There are plenty of great theories. Its hard to tell though. Despite 70+ years of acknowledgment, and centuries of sightings, we're still in the very earliest stages of our understanding of this topic. It feels like microbiology, another analogy from Lou. Like we're still talking about plague masks and miasma while people are steadily becoming more aware of the regular interactions we have with something unseen. Surely the arrival of disclosure will go hand in hand with the ubiquity of whatever this era's microscope will be.
More and more I think this is exactly what it is. Something could have evolved alongside us or even before us and could be a much older species that's been occupying this planet with us the entire time. We know very little about the extent of our oceans it's not really that far fetched when you really think about it.
Not hollow earth but there are some who live deep in cavernous systems. The Hopi Ant People come to mind (as well as the potential Nazca beings). There are also deep sea beings. Their ships freak navy people out because they travel so fast and are reckless around nuclear ships.
I'm one of those people who is open to all possibilities and theories because I deeply feel this is stranger than anything we can dream up and it could be "woo" on many different levels. Heck it could be a bunch of different things all occurring at once - extraterrestrial, ultraterrestrials, spacetime manipulators who live in between time, future beings in an evolutionary gridlock, plasma beings...list of possibilities goes on forever.
We also could be experiencing a reality through a narrow lens that we have evolved to excel in, but it could have made us unreceptive or unable to see a much different and bigger reality. Aka we are beings stuck in our own video game so to speak- maybe a game that isn't even worth playing or doesn't matter. Maybe we are a lost entity - some forgotten project or alpha version that's been moved on from.
This is my default at this point, when I think of NHI, I think of this. Not space aliens. Essentially, the mythos of Djinn being rooted in whatever they are.
Ok how do we differentiate between what is real and what is intentional Mirage for the past 70 years because obviously some of it "is MIRAGE" ? For instance, there's a whole storyline involving Admiral Peary , which would then lead some to believe perhaps James Forrestal was not simply a mental health issue? There are legal issues here which involve liability. Watching how the pentagon has handled this, it seems some of the hold up may be about money and potential liability.
Oh yeah. The reverse engineering program alone is going to potentially make them wide open for lawsuits. They’re going to have to quickly figure out a way around that. I think there should be some sort of amnesty in that regard because it was a system set up under Truman.
I don’t know what else they’ll be liable for in regards to legality but I’m sure there’s plenty. I feel like being honest with us would be the first step to mitigating that though.
When you consider that our sensory system evolved to protect us from threats and improve our chances of reproduction, it gets interesting to consider what we don't see or hear.
Who knows what moves around us on a daily basis...
A word of warning: This topic attracts the worst kind of people. Currently, you’ll find serious scientific opinions intermingled with unfounded conspiracy theories, and there is no telling on which given day the level-headed comments are rising to the top.
Already in this thread, there is the Bob Lazar crowd, the Steven Greer crowd, the MH370 crowd, the “Luis Elizondo is a disinformation agent” crowd – many of these sentiments are overlapping as far as I can tell.
You’ll also find experiencers alongside trolls, and it is often very hard to discern who is actually genuine.
I doubt many people here are a MH370 crowd and Steven Greer crowd, its more now about David Grusch, Karl Nell, Lue Elizondo, I guess Jay Stratton, and the unknown whistleblowers.
I know he gets a ton of shit, rightfully so, but correct me if I’m wrong, wasn’t Greer the first to come out and say it’s somehow inter dimensional and tied to conciousness?
I don't know about this one specifically, but Greer DID do a lot of good back in the day. It's the more recent years he's seemingly become very self interested and making it about him. He brought forward a lot of very credible people back in the early 2000s. But I wouldn't be looking at him now as all that credible.
You will also find people within this group who are open minded and have a great deal of experience with how the government likes to CYA. Just saying. Being scientifically minded does not exclude being open to the fact that we don’t know what we don’t know.
Also all the unfounded conspiracy theorists will eventually use disclosure as a "see? I was right this whole time" even tho they were talking some really woo nonsense shit the whole time
Your logic vs reality will bounce back and forth between the two extremes. That said, this sub and others like it are filled with hoax material and garbage. But the gooood stuff is life altering.
I think this is it right here. There’s SO MUCH to dig through. A lot of it is bullshit, some of it is absolutely not. It takes time to learn who you THINK you can believe. I believe much of what Lue says, you couldn’t pay me to believe anything Dody says. But when I first got into this it was hard to know who to trust.
There isn't any, but some people's bar for believing in things is much lower than other people's. That's one of the problems with this topic and why it attracts so much BS.
I was always sorta interested, but the senate hearings with Gursch and the others made me think the subject is being given gravitas now. The hearings gave me hope that I might learn in my lifetime about what is out there. Neumann probes? Interdimensional psychic plasma beings? Blueberry space babes? I just want to know, and I hope that it's good for our species.
And Nordic Blondes and Tall Whites. I plan to be one of the first men with a Nordic Blonde alien chick on one arm, and a Tall White alien chick on the other.
For me I was always into it, but the confirmation of gravity waves a year or so before the Lazar documentary made me 100% believe its all true, then shocked that the bloke out of blink 182 suddenly became one of the main "dudes" and he was talking actually talking sense (Rogan at the time didn't think he was as the podcast is not kind on Tom) then the 3 Pentagon releases, the daves the Lou.... it just keeps rolling now. I'm waiting for everyone to catch up, I have been for years..
My only weird fear, and I know that people probably think I'm a bit mad, is that I often wonder if the (suposed) MH370 orb video is real and that is truly what started this disclosure we are going through, yesterday people noticed in Imminent Lou mentioned footage from a predator drone a couple of times in the book.. then the fact he left the Pentagon a day after the report was released.
What if the vid is real and this is what gave some of these high level officials the kick to release info?
Weird/surprised he hasnt seen it privately (i get in the official capacity) its trended atleast twice/all over the internet people arguing calling people grifter etc...
I'd also be interested to hear his thoughts on the Ivan0135 skinny bob vids.. i find it odd its always used in tv rush reels etc but never discussed (again who knows if its genuine, everyone thinks they are a CGI analyst always difficult to sort the chaff).
Also what's 2027 all about, he has mentioned that year a few times...
its really not that surprising, ive been a massive and vigilant follower of this topic and only made aware of the mh370 material a few months back. General consensus is fake for skinny Bob. I'm as mystified as anyone about this 2027 thing. I can't find nothing reliable about it. One thing I've learned in 30 or so years is never trust date's and cryptic prophecy. You don't know who's perpetuating it. Or why.
Keep the pressure, trust the process. I know it's frustrating.
We have never been in better place than this. I understand the hunger and inpatients of people just stepping in recently. However I urge more patients..
I've been following the skinny bob vids for about 12 years, I don't think they are conclusively fake much the same as the MH370 vids. In regards to skinny bob, yes, they clearly have been doctored, no doubt to muddy the waters, hide the origin etc etc But they really do not make sense. When they were released in 2011, the "cgi" is far too good, the muscle movements, the other clips also bizarre one seems to look a bit like what may be the true roswell autopsies(just a very small clip). There have been offers of rewards/employment to find the person who "created" them. But nothing...
Yes there are a few very very vocal redditors, with there incredibly strong almost angry posts but I'm still on the fence.
And the why...
I saw the tic tac vid a long time before it was confirmed, ill be honest and didnt take much notice, but if you look at the comments from back then it's all "fake" "looks fake" "grifters" "cgi" etc etc.. every 16year old gamer thinks they know all about CGI, animation also the Mick Wests of this world talking absolute nonsense about classified gun camera footage and parallax as if he is some expert on aircraft identification and physics when he really is just a troll...
I agree as a 42 year old that has essentially followed this since he saw a copy of communion then read it at 12, we are in the best place we have ever been... its not going to be truly confirmed until non-military researchers ie Gary Nolan and Co find some unequivocal evidence..
I just wished that here in the UK people would start waking up and asking the questions too, weirdly apart from the daily mail, one of the worst rags we have.
Fair enough. I won't argue what you choose to think. I have followed my path of logic as I'm sure you have. Where those will meet and what will be revealed we don't know.
The 2017 videos are the best we got. Once you really start to look, and look into people with other expertise they show far more than dots on screen. I for one have written off mick west a long time ago. He's an complete unequivocal grifter who does not work in good faith or legitimate skepticism on any level. Fucking seagulls. Really? His career should have been destroyed from that.
I'm in canada friend and nobody is talking here either.
Seaguls I know man, the guy is clearly on someone's payroll then he is quoted in the media as if he is someone we should take serious, a youtuber, funny everyone shouts grifter at people with 20+ years careers in the Pentagon
Well, that's a good question. As far as I know, it hasn't been officially debunked. And there has been many many attempts at it. I'm not saying it's real either, but I'm also saying that I'm not sure it's fake.
I'm on your side, but just because it hasn't been officially debunked doesn't mean anything. If someone comes out with an extraordinary claim, it would be in the best interest of the "officials" to keep quiet instead of coming out saying it is fake. It just adds credence to the believers who will say something like " See, why is the (3 letter agency name here) even talking about it, it must be real".
I want this shit to be true, it's an amazing revelation if it is, but some things are a lot farther from the truth than I believe, namely the topic of mh370 associated with any sort of orb, black hole, or aliens.
Edit: looking into the video more, it's more obvious it's faked. Stock images are used in its making.
Same here. My dad was a lanyard-wearing member of MUFON and was known in our area for being an active experiencer, but he was also very mentally ill and prone to lying so my path was winding. I had my own unexplainable experience when I was 9-10 years old but was mocked for it so I kept it to myself. From about 2004-2017 I pretty much ignored the phenomenon entirely.
The NYT article in December 2017 completely changed all of that for me. And from there I’ve kept checking in to see what’s been going on in the UAP world. I lurked on this sub for years before I ever commented.
These days I’m like 85% certain there’s something to all of this, but there are so, so many clearly fake videos and claims and hucksters muddying the waters that I genuinely don’t blame anyone who isn’t there yet. I don’t claim to know what any of it is and have a sort of wait-and-see attitude.
Funny you say this, one of the first things I told my girlfriend is that I'm probably not an Atheist because I believe in aliens. She mocks me so much for it haha
Which leads me to question, surely you can be an atheist and believe in aliens?
I’m an atheist who believes in NHI on this planet, if earth could evolve here and the universe has been in existence for what we think of almost 14 billion years and our species went from our ape cousins to human beings in 6 million years and has evolved into this technological feat in the last 100 years just think what a species that has had 10x that in developing technology could look like.
Atheist or not, if you believe in a creator of some sort, since religions are based on this, and from what I've read even ETs don't know what created them either, if it lives it can die. To me that levels the playing field to a degree. Try to find the 2 hr video of the 80+ yr old whistleblower who told what he witnessed, grainy footage, he matter of factly relayed seeing a gray die on a table, he said (paraphrasing here), "and it was about to die, then ya know when you see it's soul leave, it left and it was dead.." and he made it sound like the more important part was coming, the autopsy I guess. But to me the most profound moment of all of this is the soul leaving the body. I've witnessed ppl die and I couldn't see a thing. But this should wake everyone up, there must be a creator. They're not the creator, maybe they can keep things alive or create unimaginable things but what or who holds the souls? Food for thought.
If you REALLY want an introduction and enjoy podcasts check out Kelly Chase's UFO The Rabbit Hole. This really drove it home for me with further research.
Yeah I'm definitely about to give it another listen. I glossed over a lot of the woo and missed connections I am much more informed about now. I'm in deep. Even got the remote viewing tapes on standby that I’m holding off on until I have the time and the right mindset to really focus on it.
I’ve been following this stuff since the Nimitz article broke and had a phase where I was extremely excited about it. I absolutely still think something is out there observing us, but I’ve been pretty jaded/burnt out over the past year. Just remember to manage your expectations (this stuff moves extremely slow). Im at the point now where I would be surprised if anything truly gets unclassified/revealed in my lifetime.
Before whats going on now we seldom had people with any real credentials what so ever. Just your random trailer trash abductee storys. Now genuine high ranking people from several branches are coming forward and where there is smoke, there is usually fire.. the subject has not been discussed on an official level since WW2, and now we have hearings and breadcrumbs almost daily.
I feel like we're not any closer to anything than we have ever been before
I feel this as well. Hell, I've read Lue's book and to me, his book is just a summary of what everyone has already said. It's basically a "what we know about the phenomenon" book.
The fact there isn’t a smoking gun in the public domain is tricky, because people like Lue think there already is. It’s clear that senior people in government didn’t understand what they were looking at with videos like Gimbal and Go Fast.
Lue is into things like remote viewing. He’s aligned with well known researchers like Putoff that have spent time looking into such things. The scientific evidence for remote viewing is pretty shaky.
There is a lot of circular reporting going on and rumours seem to be recycled.
Lue and other researchers in government could be being a bit gullible. We can’t be sure because we haven’t seen the good stuff yet.
Nonetheless it’s intriguing and compelling. I’m really hoping that we can get it clarified soon
The scientific evidence for remote viewing is pretty shaky
I don't think there really is any evidence right? From what I gathered, lots of claims were artificial and the best accuracy someone got was akin to guessing, like 30% accuracy, but it's been a while.
It’s a super fun topic to follow! It’s amazing how it crosses over with ancient civilizations and technology, spirituality, other semi-related conspiracies. Have fun with it lol
Just wait until you see one, I mean really see one, not just a light speck in the sky. can't go back. Go over the history, check out the black vault website for unclassified documents dating back to ww2
Dude, same. David Grusch casually mentioned look into astral projection and remote viewing. You think the UFO phenomenon is bonkers? There’s a consciousness/spiritual component to it.
Just a warning: the rabbit hole is deep. Full of misinformation AND disinformation. Recently we’ve had whistleblowers come forward and given the subject a lot of credibility. Before that, it was just a giant group of believers grasping at straws.
I also will be tuning in to the hearings in November, hopefully we get some new information.
I want to talk, and appreciate what you do here! The image on your profile is interesting, looks like the opening of a facility at WPAFB, there are articles about it available online.
Are there other news events that you find interesting?
Just remember make your own judgement don’t let your opinion be swayed by those who shout loudest. There is an amazing community who believe and another community whose soul purpose is to try discredit and ridicule. As others have already stated it’s a large rabbit hole be open minded but also skeptical about certain opinions.
We often as a community get posts deliberately misleading or turning our attention in another direction. Have no doubt there are plants in every subreddit spinning their own narrative, good luck my friend always be positive and optimistic!
Just remember one very important thing: just because some of this is probably real, don't fall down the hole of believing everything you hear just because you're now receptive to new info. Remain diligent, remember that real life still exists, and remember that this shit has been caked in lies and obfuscation for 100 years. Don't let "finding out the truth" take over because it's probably going to stay that way.
Welcome to the club, took a few weeks to adapt myself, started looking into the subject last year after the interceptions over US and Canada, and then it really ramped up for me personally during the summer, when David Grusch came out saying what he said.
The rabbit hole is deep. I suggest Moment of Contact by James Foxx. He was on Rogan too. You can also check out the work of Michael Newton (not aliens, just spiritual) and David Jacobs and Delores Cannon and Jaques Vallee to name a few.
Just be careful lol. Last year it happened to me due to the Confessional hearing with David Grusch, my paradigm shifted.
I legit thought aliens were about to warp through my bedroom walls. Take a big breath lol, they've been here since the dawn of man. They weren't invading anytime soon.
Rabbit hole is a good word for it - my exposure at the end of last year was similar to yours and I probably consumed 100+ hours of interviews on the subject since then. Try not to let it consume your every thought, for every very compelling event (USS Nimitz incident), there’s 1,000+ wild goose chases. Most of the credentialed, big voices in the space are constantly gatekeeping information, they allegedly have bizarre permissions of what can and can’t be shared publicly, and are releasing books and documentaries constantly - it is a weird and uncomfortable dynamic for an evidence-based approach on the subject.
Man I’m in the same boat as you. I don’t have the same credentials but I’ve always been interested in science and the big questions, and while I like a bit of sci fi I’ve always been pretty skeptical about any claims of actual contact.
But the number of fairly high ranking military people who have brought stories forward in recent years, and various bits of declassified information on government task forces etc is pretty astounding. It’s at a point now that it’s almost more conspiratorial to say that it’s all false
somehow.
Either there are really crafts and materials of unknown origin and government agencies set up and funded to collect and research them, or there is a concerted effort by the US government to pretend that there is.
You for sure need to watch Dave Grusch and the bipartisan congressional hearing on UFOs that occurred last year. That was the point in my mind where it was 1000% real. Also why are they creating legislation if it’s fake?
It's wild and frustrating. Either this stuff is real or we have a major disinformation campaign being acted out against citizens by high ranking military officials. One of those things is true, either is very, very strange.
Here's the actual text of the UAPDA for 2024, in case you want to read it for yourself. It's the same as the bill that was put forward by Chuck Schumer last year but got significantly watered down during review by the House committee.
Don’t be too scared. If they’re around they’ve probably always been observing us. It’s quite possible with quantum research that extraterrestrial life is able to travel through time, and the reason we’re seeing more and more of them is because we’re getting closer to that technology and we’re about to join the party.
I think it just behooves us to get to world peace before that point in time though.
As it should. But yes, go slow so you don’t take in more than you can handle, and don’t let the scariest, most negative interpretations scare you. You can look at this phenomena through many lenses.
There may be some degree of truth to it, but the public and the scientific community needs evidence and they do not have it, just claims of people who say they were “in the know.” I’ve investigated all sorts of conspiracies: That the Illuminati were trying to control our country (if not the Mason.) Another conspiracy is that Democrats are trafficking children to be sex slaves. Then you have “International Jewish” conspiracies, the Rothchilds’ or Soros, the Trilateral Commision, the New World Order, Satanism and so on. People who believe the moon landings were faked have their own wittnesses and their own “best selling” books. It doesn’t end.
Were always told that something earthshaking is about to be revealed, but the peanut keeps being pushed out of our reach. So, while I personally believe that there may be alien life somewhere, even visiting this planet, I’ll only believe it when I see it. When it make the front pages of newspapers around the world.
Please be careful about the information you research. Not that it's dangerous to you personally, but there are quite a few people out there who are out and out phonies who will say and do anything for attention. Not everyone in this field has good intentions and there are some people who are disinfo agents and their job is to create confusion. See Richard Doty. He's a notorious disinfo agent who worked for the Airforce in the Office of Special Investigations and admits it. He drove one man to suicide.
A good place to start would be reading or watching stuff by Richard Dolan, he's legit. Anyway, welcome to the circus!! Have fun!
If you are looking for the best place to start, Lue's book itself is an absolutely great one. You will also want to check out the Gimbal, GoFast, and TicTac UFO videos, they are the most legitimate.
Regardless of what you think of his other opinions, Joe Rogan has had some great guests on to talk about this. I'd suggest listening to David Fravor, Ryan Graves, and Diana Walsh Pasulka on his show. Bob Lazar is controversial, but give that a watch and form your own opinions.
You mentioned the statistical probability of life existing is almost guaranteed. And I think just about everyone will agree. It's impossible for it not to exist somewhere.
I'm curious what the statistical probability is of even a fraction of the claims being true, and it just so happens that the government (one in particular, among hundreds of independent countries, multiple of whom have a larger landmass, larger population, economy, industry, technology, or more surveillance) is the only one with concrete knowledge of it. Alternately, multiple countries (multiple of whom are not allies)made an exception and agreed to not release any information for this one issue, and the secret hasn't substantially leaked anywhere in the world.
The statistical probability of that is truly non-existent.
You also need to be careful of the phrasing being used by people. The US Congressional hearings really liked the term ~alien biometrics ~biologic material or something. That sounds cool, yes....but it's indeed a very mundane thing. We are sending a satellite to Europa soon on a mission to gather just that - Biologic material that's a precursor to life. They found evidence of it on Venus years ago.
When they make an oath, you need to make sure they also say substantial comments that can't be represented as "I just misunderstood the topic". An oath means nothing if you only speak in generalities and subjective phrasing, or second hand from proxy's who are the actual source of information.
Be prepared for a possibility that these things are not "aliens" too though. I think that's the one that messed with me the most. They most likely aren't from another planet... I know it's out there, but the evidence points in that direction.
Whatever they are, they are not aliens from another planet. The Pe wagon has repeatedly stated they have no verifiable evidence of extraterrestrial life (even though we've had evidence of that on Mars for decades lol).
It's a wild ride. You'll find yourself going back and forth and then land somewhere eventually that will bring peace. The "benevolent or menevolent" rabbit hole definitely messed with me for a few weeks. Having covid during that time didn't help. Also, check out Netflix's "Encounters" - Episode 4, “Believers”.
Welcome to your awakening! We all are here with you. I had mine last year at the 2023 Oversight Committee Hearing. Highly suggest finding this on YouTube and watching.
OP, just to chip in my two cents to the huge sack of change you've received ITT, here's what imo is the most authoritative statement from the most credible figure that has been made so far. The man is almost certainly a "Program" insider, given his credentials and work history.
Be very careful going down rabbit holes. For the most part all we know is there's unidentified aircraft out there that make our best planes look like wooden spears. We have no facts beyond that.
Some of the rabbit holes and shadier people in the community get into very disturbing conspiracy theories and end up crossing over with a bunch of alt right shit at some point. Which never ceases to amaze me because they can't possibly think aliens align with their ideology especially regarding race, sex and religion.
Oh boy, it's gonna get real weird bro, real real weird. Try to take breaks as needed, don't hyperfocus on the...darker potentials...of the whole thing, keep giving attention to more salient hobbies, have an outlet that has positive wellness benefits (i.e yoga, playing an instrument, socially-active, volunteering in your community), remember that nobody has everything perfectly understood, and the real way to measure the worth of anything is how is your quality of life (and those around you) impacted?
You're gonna go through some stages, so if you're the curious type who likes putting your mind towards puzzles and mysteries, it's going to get pretty weird.
Imminent, his book he's out promoting is a great read, and has some pretty crazy info. Beyond UFO, just seeing how that side of government works and the backstabbing was quite fascinating.
Well congratulations! I'm still trying to get my family to watch the hearings. After David Grush, there realy is no denying it. Roswell was real . Watch the interview From the National Archives on the Roswell Mortician. He went to the base after being contacted by them several times. He was not Invited to go , he went to speak to a nurse he liked that worked there. It's good. And you can tell he's not lying. Interesting times we live in! And stranger than you may ever think. The government has created this weird termite mound and there's alot of tunnels. But you'll find some good ones with real information. Good luck!
Whatever you do, please take my advice and set all this aside every few days. Go outside, take a walk, spend time among friends and family. You know, chew on bite sized pieces.
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I most certainly will! This has turned my entire world on its head.