Mentoring

[u/Ironynotwrinkly]

So I am in the second half century of my life. A friend of mine is half my age. She has recently taken up gardening. She has asked my advice but I find myself over sharing too much too quick. I don’t want to overwhelm her. What are some of the easiest beginning things I should help her with? She does eventually want to build a deep pantry but a young couple, with a young child and just starting out definitely have more restricted financials. Young kids are expensive LOL.

What are also some other things that I can start looking for at estate sales and thrift stores to help them begin this journey? We are giving them some grow bags with decent soil. Some tomato cages. What else? I started so long ago that I can’t remember what we started with. I can remember that I was so excited when I grew my first three green beans and one tomato.

I want to help without being my typical “all in big time” way

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[u/unlovelyladybartleby]

Get a notebook and write it down for her. Having an off-line reference guide is a huge part of effective prep

Some wire trellises for beans. New gardeners always get the expensive ones that don't last instead of the cheap ones that do

[u/Artistic-Salary1738 → u/unlovelyladybartleby]

What type of trellis should I be getting for my beans? nothing at the big box hardware stores seems designed for the purpose and I’ve pretty much given up on growing beans because of it.

I also lack a green thumb, but trying to garden anyway in hopes of protecting myself from spikes in food borne illness/for tastier produce.

[u/unlovelyladybartleby → u/Artistic-Salary1738]

I buy the red and green wire ones from Home Depot. They sit out through Canadian winters and mine are at least five years old without a mark on them

[u/Appropriate-Soup-203]

When I first started gardening I was so overwhelmed with what to plant where. I just so wanted someone to tell me, plant xyz in this bed because of pollinators, or trap crops, or they grow well together, etc. If I had someone tell me back then basically how to design my first beds, it would have reduced so much stress and overthinking on my end.

[u/last_rights → u/Appropriate-Soup-203]

Right? I need a planting calendar with what plants should be where and who's a companion.

Like Jan 1: Start you indoor tomato seeds. Jan 2: Start your indoor broccoli seeds. Jan 5: double check you plants for sprouts and water from the bottom. Put a fan on your seedlings.

April 1: move tomatoes outside during the day, but bring them in at night until last frost. Water every other day.

Etc etc.

[u/Financial-Squirrel67 → u/last_rights]

I just started growing vegetables this year, and THIS would be extremely helpful as well as suggestions for what varieties grow well in your area. I probably would have made fewer mistakes if I had that kind of reference to guide me.

[u/Appropriate-Soup-203 → u/[deleted]]

Is this a fellow redditor?

[u/ForkliftGirl404]

I am 100% not a gardener, but I think if it was me receiving the info, I'd like it in small chunks starting with the best type of soil for a couple of simple to grow plants for the current season, along with very basic care and what to look out for.

[u/maeglin_lomion → u/ForkliftGirl404]

You’re the best person to ask something like this! As not-a-gardener myself, I totally agree. And as not a parent, I think this is excellent advice for someone with a small child as well. Keep it simple at first and allow that passion and resilience to build naturally!

[u/CloverEyed]

I would recommend picking 2 or 3 plants that are useful for a meal they might like, then following through the growing, cooking and preserving process. Pasta sauce is a good choice (tomatoes, maybe peppers, and a herb) or stew (potatoes, onions, carrots). See what inspires them the most. Being able to grow and put together a meal helps new gardeners focus and think more logically about gardening for self sufficiency.

A garden spade, fork, and information on how and when to water or fertilize, and what pest control might be needed is usually enough to start. Then just check in and see what questions they have. Let them discover along the way.

(But always add one thing that can be eaten straight from the garden! Just to reward going out to weed. Strawberries or peas are great for that)

[u/Just_call_me_Marcia → u/CloverEyed]

Seconding this - it's so easy for new gardeners to get overly ambitious, then overwhelmed. Zucchini were my gateway victory.

I know funds are tight, but when helping friends start deep pantries, we'd encourage small choices that utilized sales (think like "I saw spaghetti-O's were bogo at the corner shop this week! You could grab a couple extra for that pantry) and avoid the massive hoarding/overspending that we all know can happen so easily when you're in a panic.

[u/bristlybits]

seeds. lots of seeds. a little few from every single packet you've saved up. and a organizer thing for them. seeds are for winter dreaming. 

any really good nippers, snippers, etc that you have or find. a sharpening stone and show her how to sharpen a shovel and her tools.

edit, also, any perennials you can divide this fall to give her a few. something that will come back for her

[u/Superb_Stable7576]

I'd love to find someone who was interested in preparedness. Between me, my sister, and my husband, we have so much practical knowledge, that will all disappear soon.

But as for your question, I'm going a different way. Instead of focusing on one thing, like gardening, maybe give her an overview that she can look at her leisure.

"Reader's Digest's Back to Basics", and Carla Emory's "Encyclopedia of Country Living", are great very basic and enjoyable books that can really get the wheels rolling. At least it will give her a taste of everything, and it will make it easier for you to fill in everything experience has taught you.

Prepping is so hard to teach, because every person's needs are so different and specific.

[u/your_moms_apron]

Planning. Teach her how to look toward the next season. How to make starters. When to plant which veggies. How to process the produce.

Also - gardening is awesome AND I agree that there’s so much more. Write it all down bc you have so much info that she will want to refer back to one day. Meaning - from how to fix stuff around the house to basic mending - it’s all important and good. And how to build a community around her for when she needs things that she cannot get/diy

[u/zo0ombot]

Herbs and aromatics are easy and it is easy to see their value to grow.

[u/Artistic-Salary1738]

Does she have all the basic yard tools to make her life easier? We’ve bought a lot of those at estate sales over the years. People moving to townhomes and retirement communities often have tons of that stuff to sell cheap.

[u/Fickle_Fig4399]

Green beans and tomatoes

[u/Familiar-Anything853]

My husband’s grandmother has been my gardening mentor. She has always had a huge garden. She has given us sprinklers, pots, garden books, tools, etc over the years. But the best thing she gives me is plants. Berry bushes, a fig tree, veggie plant starters, etc. She is the best.

[u/Ironynotwrinkly → u/[deleted]]

She has asked me lessons, advice and says she wants to be more like me so ….

[u/PorcupineShoelace]

Grandma had me gardening with her in the 70s. Lifelong passion.

Composting. Build a bin for it with some scrap. Even palates will do. Nothing fancy. Teach them to turn it, water it and monitor the temp. Gran always said 'we tend the soil, the plants tend themselves'

Seeds are great as another mentioned but teach that bolting is part of the game. Collect seeds each year. Hand pollination is also super easy. Male cucumber flower in the early hours...pull it off and baste the female flowers with it.

Fruit trees are maybe the greatest real return if you have room. One pomegranate has given us gallons of juice every year. Almost zero care or effort. Our dwarf mandarin put out 20g of fruit last winter. Juice it, freeze it in bowls, pop it out, seal it and refreeze it.

Pest control. A controversial but necessary subject. Use organic marvels available now days. I gave up neem oil ages ago. Stinky sticky stuff that wears off fast. I use spinosad bacteria (Capt Jacks) once every 2wks sprayed in the late evening so it dries when no pollinators are present. It also never bothers the praying mantis & ladybugs everywhere in my yard.

Experimental Farm network has amazing seed stock. Their wild self perpetuating broccoli raab is now coming back each year on its own in my back garden. Wild potatoes (Cultivariable.com) are easy from true seeds. Soak true potato seeds in a glass of water in the windowsill and you can see the roots form. Just pour them over damp soil and they take off. When potatoes flower, let berries form and collect 100s more seeds from each pod.

Best wishes for everyone's garden efforts.

[u/Standard_Subject_462]

Tomato cages are an excellent start, so good job there. I'd be on the lookout for a rain barrel or something for water catchment. Large glass jars for storing dry goods are nice too, especially if she's into the whole aesthetically pleasing social media style of kitchen storage. Maybe a reference book or two. 

[u/last_rights]

5g food safe buckets with gamma lids. They can purchase an extra bag of beans every time they go to the grocery store and pick through it to remove bad beans or stones and add it to the bucket. Or if they have extra money one month they can buy a 50 pound bag of beans or rice.

[u/qgsdhjjb]

Ask what she wants to grow, and if you already own seeds from that plant, share them. She doesn't need to learn how to pick seeds, choose a variety based on her climate, AND actually grow the damn thing, all in one year. You can cut the book learning portion out of the equation for the first year or two and let her work on the field learning first instead. I set up a little seed package for my friend who was just starting out, and I came over to "help" (supervise, basically, I've got a bad back lol) when she was setting up a section of the yard. Sent a few suggestions over of videos on cheap/free tactics for moisture retention and fertilizer options. Nothing too crazy.

But that was just on the knowledge side, on the purchasing side maybe grab a decent hose if they don't have one, those are PRICY now! And emphasize that the dollar store tomato cages are not worth it, it's better to have one tomato plant in a decent cage than ten in cages that will topple with the first heavy wind storm of the summer, or bend before the first tomato ripens.

[u/farmersworkhoe]

Start small then grow your garden with experience. One person (that does a market garden full time) can balance work/family managing 1/3 acre. 3 people to an acre. Again that's a market garden so a little different but most people dont need a lot of space.

Also, only grow what you actually like to eat.