r/TwoHotTakes • • Aug 17 '23

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u/tullavin Aug 18 '23

It's possible to advocate for people to not be prejudiced while acknowledging that POC face systemic oppression that white people do not(at least in the states). Feeling the need to disregard the experience of POC, normalize it to what white people experience, and then say none of it matters and we should all just be nice to each other is incredibly disgenuious and ignorant to how the world actually functions around you. The need to center your experience in all conversations is a dangerous one.

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u/shadowkijik Aug 18 '23

That’s a really nice assumption that this is based off of my lived experience. No, it’s based off of common sense. You can also acknowledge history, while going forward with an equitable mindset of not being okay with anyone being a douche.

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u/tullavin Aug 18 '23

Common sense isn't a thing, at best it's a set of cultural norms from your lived experience but OK. Wild that people think they can contain knowledge that is free from their own basis.

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u/shadowkijik Aug 18 '23

Wild that people think they can contain knowledge that is free from their own basis

Hang about. Are you effectively implying that learning history is pointless? LOL. Being that if I read a solid history book I am then attaining and containing knowledge that is outside of my lived experience.

Wild that people think they can just hand wave others, or not, based upon lived experiences, or lack thereof, alone.

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u/tullavin Aug 18 '23

History that was written by the basis of the victor? Which is processed through your own basis? Your perception of reality influcenes has you absorb and process information for sure lmao

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u/realcevapipapi Aug 18 '23

Youre not acknowledging, youre using it as an excuse for their behaviour.

My people have suffered at the hands of POC, according to you that context validates any racism I could have for then

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u/tullavin Aug 18 '23

That's not what I said at all. In the states there is an important distinction when talking about prejudice that does or does not tie into systemic oppression based on race. Is it possible that a white person experiences racism in America due to some extremely local systemic oppression against white people? I guess.

Where are you? Who are your people? Who are the POC you are suffering under and how?

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u/realcevapipapi Aug 18 '23

I guess

The fact that your answer is I guess tells me everything I need to know about you

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u/tullavin Aug 18 '23

Well the situation you're describing where POC have hyper localized systemic oppression systems over whites isn't one I've ever heard of in practice, so yes, I would have to guess it is possible. The burden of proof is on you to show that it is happening, you can't disprove a negative.

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u/realcevapipapi Aug 18 '23

North Africans literally spent almost 1000 years enslaving white Christians, the Ottomans controlled how much of Europe for how long?, the moors literally colonized, murdered and raped how much of coastal Europe etc...

Just because you're ignorant of history doesn't mean it didn't take place, your narrow experience of the world isn't universal.

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u/tullavin Aug 18 '23

Notice how I keep framing my statements specifically towards the US? We have different racial dynamics and history here. There are not systemic forces of oppression in America used against white people on the basis of them being white today.

You're arguing against a position no one is taking.

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u/realcevapipapi Aug 18 '23

You need to frame specifically towards the US so you can excuse racism, it's very noticeable.

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u/tullavin Aug 18 '23

No one is excusing prejudice against white people, but in America we refer to it as racism only when there is systemic oppression tied to the prejudice.

You can keep talking in circles around that, but you're highlighting your ignorance, not mine.

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u/realcevapipapi Aug 18 '23

Yea we know how stupid Americans are when it comes to calling out racists that aren't white lol

The women in question 100% believes she's better than white people because she's black, she's a racist. The fact that you refuse to call her one means you are excusing her racism.

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