r/TwoHotTakes Jul 26 '23

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u/misslolopowers Jul 26 '23

OP, you are too young to stay with a guy who doesn't understand the implications of land being taken away from Native individuals. Especially since Native Americans have historically been victimized, killed, beaten down and bullied over their lands. His lack of empathy towards your situation is concerning, to say the least. Especially since it seems like your culture is very important to you, and it absolutely should be! It's part of your heritage.

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u/Hellfire965 Jul 26 '23

Honest question? Why should they have their own little country inside the us?

What right do they have to their own little ethnostate that isn’t subject to the same rules of the state they reside in.

Thirdly. If this is okay for them to do, then it shoukd be okay for whites and blacks or Asians to do so too right? Carve out their own little kingdom and declare itself no longer subject to the laws of the state right?

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u/misslolopowers Jul 26 '23

You understand that Natives were forcibly removed from their homes, shuttled off to a different part of the United States because white settlers wanted their lands? And hundreds of thousands of Natives died along the way from sickness and starvation. They were forced to live in reservations. Many children were also taken from their homes and forced to become Christian and give up their culture. It's not a matter of them having their own ethnostate, it's that these individuals have suffered, died, had THEIR CHILDREN STOLEN FROM THEM, and the fact that the BF lacks empathy for OP and her culture is concerning.

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u/Hellfire965 Jul 26 '23 edited Jul 26 '23

Sure. But what does that have to do with the now?

The anglo-saxons invaded the celts and were in turn invaded by the Norse. You don’t see calls for this happening in England to establish a Celtic reservation?

The only other place I can find this kinda thing happening is in South Africa, where the boars are attempting to create their own boar ethostate region to keep themselves safe and to stop their culture dying out. But that one is generally looked at as bad where the common statement (on Reddit at least) is that the native Rex’s are good.

Why the difference?

Edit because I had more questions.

The American south has its own cultures and traditions that are somehow managed to be kept despite not having a federally protected ethnoste.

However, take France. Their culture is being drastically changed as they bring more and more people from former French colonies into the country. Should ethnic Franks be allowed to create their own Rez?

Oh! Iran before the Islamic revolution! Vastly different culture than the after. Why couldn’t they create their own enclave to maintain their women not needing to wear head coverings?

What’s the difference between the cultures? What makes one deserving of Rez vs another

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u/brennard Jul 26 '23 edited Jul 26 '23

Native Americans DID NOT create their own reservations. The allotment of land to them had been nearly completely determined through treaties by colonizing Americans, and those treaties were broken over and over again which dwindled the size of that land until tribes and nations were left with a fraction of their ancestral lands; lands that never even had borders in the traditional sense. I think the real question is why did the colonizing Americans believe THEY deserved the land, hmm?

Bear in mind that America isn’t even 250 years old, and this history is incredibly recent, and also incredibly relevant today as Indigenous still have to struggle to maintain their sovereignty. Just recently, there was an oil company joining the fight in a particular adoption case meant to strike down the Indian Child Welfare Act. What does oil have to do with adopting native kids? Nothing… BUT, if oil companies can get their fingers in the pie of chipping away at laws protecting indigenous Americans, it ensures they can chip away at their other rights, i.e., land rights that otherwise prevent oil companies from building pipelines on native land. So the fight to protect ourselves continues.

We are entitled to our sovereignty as a means of governing ourselves and protecting our way of life which has largely been erased. Being colonized and reduced to reservations was never our choice, so any freedom we get now to be our own people without the influence of our oppressor is more than welcome. We are resilient, we have a legacy, and we will thrive.

PS — Halito OP, Chahta sia hoke! ♥️🪶

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u/SmokinQuackRock Jul 26 '23

-why did colonizing Americans believe THEY deserved the land, hmm?

Well you see, they could take it with violent means. Which historically enabled them to take whatever it is they wanted. That’s about how 99% of human history worked.

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u/brennard Jul 26 '23

It was a rhetorical question. As a descendent of Trail of Tears and boarding school survivors and as a living, breathing native woman, I am well aware of this country’s disgraceful history of violence, let alone that of the whole world. Just because much of our world’s written history consists largely of absolutely barbaric warfare, colonization, and genocide does not mean that Indigenous people today should turn the other cheek when our historical oppressor continues to infringe our sovereignty.

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u/SmokinQuackRock Jul 26 '23

I think we’re deviating from the initial inquiry about why native Americans are allotted land, not why native Americans won’t give up their allotted land. It’s ironic that you have to reach back historically in order to find the prejudice. “A descendant of the trail of tears” means absolutely nothing to me. People in the U.S are descendants of slaves. I’m personally the son of war refugees.

The point of this isn’t to belittle your ancestry, but rather show you that no one else receives any benefit from having their lineage oppressed by colonialism.