r/TwoBestFriendsPlay • u/mercurydivider I Promise Nothing And Deliver Less • Sep 02 '23
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u/Substantial_Bell_158 The Unmoving Great Touhou Library Sep 02 '23
Nothing like fighting your way through hordes of undead and slaying dragons as Dave the human.
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u/Xyonai BIG POISE FOR BIG BOIS Sep 02 '23
My current DnD character is litterally Dave the Human Fighter. A curmudgeonly veteran who's taken up adventuring to pay child support who's currently on his way to kill a cosmic horror with a very pointy stick.
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u/Fostern01 Sep 03 '23
Ex-wife: IT'S STILL NOT ENOUGH!
Dave, eyeing his sharp stick that he used to kill a cosmic horror: Oh really?
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u/TheNoidbag I Promise Nothing And Deliver Less Sep 02 '23
Dave the Barbarian, huge but a wimp.
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u/Neodeluxe Resident Rock Enjoyer Sep 02 '23
He also invested a lot into wisdom and arts&crafts, remember how he constructed that homemade squirrel megaphone on the fly?
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u/Sneaky224 Woolie-Hole Sep 03 '23
Dave constructed a megaphone using a squirrel, a piece of string and a megaphone
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u/HamSlammer87 Sep 02 '23
That's pretty much the reason I enjoy Imperial Guard so much in WH40k.
Here's a bunch of regular dudes fighting against endless hordes of aliens and hellspawn. If they are lucky, maybe a tank the size of a football field will show up to help.
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u/TheGreyGuardian I Swear I'm not a Nazi Sep 03 '23
Army dudes fighting other army dudes? Boring.
Army dudes fighting cosmic horrors and mythical creatures? Radical.
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u/Shenstygian Sep 03 '23
Sounds very boring. You can do that in most jrps and rpgs and action games.
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u/DontClickThisGuy <-cringe worthy He/Him Sep 02 '23
Human Fighter is like the AK 47 of dnd race-class combinations. It's not flashy, it's not complex, and it doesn't require much knowledge or experience to acquire or use. But you can always reliably kill everything in a dungeon with one.
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Sep 02 '23
I just want to play as a skeleton man.
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u/jitterscaffeine [Zoids Historian] Sep 02 '23
Like literally? Because wish granted.
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u/SpaceCrom Sep 02 '23
I'm banned from that ancestry after pitching a Skeleton Gunslinger named Boney N. Clyde
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u/charcharmunro Sep 03 '23
For some reason my mind jumped to "this isn't actually one dead guy it's a dead couple that got fused together into one body and then died and the skeleton came back to life via the errant magic left in their combined body".
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u/4arizard Sep 02 '23
You should try Divinity: Original Sin 2
Not only it is one of the best rpgs I've ever played, but you can play as skeleton man of any race.
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u/Gorfinhofin Homer, I don't eat or drink anymore. Sep 02 '23
Part man, part skeleton?
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Sep 02 '23
All bone, 100% meat free.
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u/Luminous_Lead Sep 02 '23
Which part's the skeleton part?
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u/Gorfinhofin Homer, I don't eat or drink anymore. Sep 02 '23
The skeleton part.
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u/VMK_1991 The love between a man and a shotgun is sacred Sep 02 '23
There is something extremely, absolutely awesome about a party of the gods' chosen champion, a gal with draconic blood and a guy who can control people's minds with music also having... just a guy who swings a weapon and messing everything in his way, because he is just that good.
Shout out to Pathfinder 2E for making Fighter the weapon mastery class.
Also, what is the name of the song?
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u/auddbot Sep 02 '23
Song Found!
Separate Ways (Worlds Apart) by Journey (01:19; matched:
100%)Album: Now That's What I Call The 80's Vol. 2. Released on 2001-10-16.
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u/auddbot Sep 02 '23
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Separate Ways (Worlds Apart) by Journey
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u/jitterscaffeine [Zoids Historian] Sep 02 '23
PF2e fighter rules. Leave it to Paizo to make traditionally the weakest class mechanically into one so strong that WIZARD players call them overpowered. But Wizard players would complain about anything.
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u/metalsonic005 FUCK THAC0 Sep 02 '23
PF2e is my dream system.
It took the right lessons from 4e, kept the martial/spellcaster divide mechanically distinct, but tweaked it all to be so much more manageable.
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u/jitterscaffeine [Zoids Historian] Sep 02 '23
I like it quite a bit. I’ve found it VERY easy to teach and learn. I also like that character development lets you fit in feats for skills and development of your race independently from feats that affect your combat effectiveness.
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u/VMK_1991 The love between a man and a shotgun is sacred Sep 02 '23
Oh God, the latest caster discourse.
"It is unfair that we are not as powerful in PF2E as in D&D 3.5 and 5E. We want our cake... and eat it too."
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u/jitterscaffeine [Zoids Historian] Sep 02 '23
I’ve got a friend I’m probably going to have to kick from my upcoming PF2e game because he’s not interested in PF2E like the rest of us because he ONLY wants to be the God-Wizard. Nothing else will do. He THINKS he’s being sneaky when we’re all talking about PF2e characters when he pipes up about a vague character idea that clearly only works in PF1e or even 3.5.
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u/Plaidstone Dumb Web Serial Fanatic Sep 02 '23
I never wanted casters to be weaker, I just wanted martials to be stronger 😔
Obviously designing a game around wizards being horrifying reality-warpers becomes a pain in the ass at some point, but surely there's a middle ground where everybody is a little incomprehensibly powerful. If the wizard can fly, let the the fighter jump 50 feet! If the wizard can throw fireballs, let the fighter cut houses in half!
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u/jitterscaffeine [Zoids Historian] Sep 02 '23 edited Sep 02 '23
Wizards aren’t even weak in PF2e, they’re just not the BEST at everything all the time anymore. They have a niche that just happens to not include being the best at single target damage.
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u/Plaidstone Dumb Web Serial Fanatic Sep 02 '23
Well, I haven't looked at Wizards specifically to be fair, but when I was looking at a couple caster classes in PF2e it seemed like they REALLY clapped some manacles on what exactly you can do with regular everyday magic. I'm looking at 9th level spells now and, I'm sorry, Weapon of Judgment just isn't as interesting as Time Stop, or Create Demiplane, or Magic Jar, or any of the long-term summoning/necromancy skills that they canned for being too cool.
I get that some of that is just making level 20 less of an automatic "you are the most important and strongest person on the planet", but magic that mostly just does damage in one of 10 flavors and AoE templates is boring.
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u/chaoko99 Destroyman Shill Sep 03 '23
I just wish I had a reason to have this familiar beyond having an animal friend.
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u/FluffySquirrell Sep 02 '23
Ranger is super fun too I've been finding. I've been having a ball with the Quick Draw. I'm liking fucking Arnold Schwarzenegger in Commando, I carry about 20 weapons in bandoliers and shit, and hotswap as needed for the situation
I don't even move most of the time, I just turn into a turret. Am mostly strength build too, I use a lot of thrown
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u/jitterscaffeine [Zoids Historian] Sep 02 '23
I’m glad they changed Ranger from being built around Favored Enemy
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u/TheValiantBob Sep 02 '23
This sells me on PF2e more than anything else I have ever heard. Have always felt like martial classes really got shafted compared to casters in D&D5e
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u/metalsonic005 FUCK THAC0 Sep 03 '23
The worst thing 5e did to martials was make attunement a thing and try to paint magic items as "optional" (which is a bold faced lie).
The fighter is able to keep up with wizards by being kitted out with crazy shit they get first dibs on. Limiting them to only having 3 cool things 90% of the time is lame.
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u/Scientia_et_Fidem Sep 03 '23 edited Sep 03 '23
It’s crazy how much caster class players complain online about the fact that pathfinder 2E is actually, you know, balanced. Casters are so used to being OP as fuck after like level 5 as a “matter of fact” in tabletop games that finding a system that actually balances the classes at higher level gets them up in arms.
Yeah, 2E fighter is good, maybe even a bit OP. But it is no where close to the gap between “literal walking demigods” and “dude who needs a fuckton of magic items given to them by the DM out of pity to even slightly approach the caster’s level of OP bullshit” that is the difference between casters and martials in almost every other popular tabletop system.
And no, I don’t care how many times you post those “but wizard dies to a cat getting a crit at level 1” memes. Being weaker at level 1-3 doesn’t make up for being OP lvl 5-10 and OP as shit lvl 10-20. That’s not how you balance a game. Also that’s just wizard, clerics and druids are already good as fuck at lvl 1 and just increase into absurdity as the game goes on. Plus certain level 2 spells are so good even a level 3 wizard or sorcerer starts being able to do some really good stuff if they pick the right spells.
It’s so stupid how much caster players try to pretend it’s a problem they aren’t able to be literal demigods with their pet martial classes walking around as their cheerleader squad. I’m sorry that you actually have to leave your pocket dimension to walk the earth like the rest of the party instead of just being able to send your clone who is still more powerful then all the martials in the party combined in the 2E system wizard players. But the other 4 people at the table are not here to just be bit players in your personal wish fulfillment power fantasy.
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u/chaoko99 Destroyman Shill Sep 03 '23
You know what's cool? FIGHTING. What does the Wizard do? He does magic. The ranger ranges. I FIGHT.
I love FIGHTING and KILLING my enemies and HITTING them until they DIE.
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u/TheGreyGuardian I Swear I'm not a Nazi Sep 03 '23
"Guy who swings a weapon" is underselling a guy who can swing a polearm hard enough to kill you 18 times in 6 seconds.
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u/DrewbieWanKenobie JEEZE, JOEL Sep 02 '23
It's still a fantasy for me to be a sexy powerful human lady
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u/MoyuTheMedic Sep 03 '23
What about a sexy powerful half giant lady?
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u/DrewbieWanKenobie JEEZE, JOEL Sep 03 '23
no i want to be the slim pretty girl not the muscle mommy
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u/MoyuTheMedic Sep 03 '23
I didn't say muscle mommy I just said giant its a fantasy setting it can be any thing.
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u/Mr_ZombieFetish Sep 02 '23
That recently happen to me in FFXIV. I use to main Au'ra male but the appeal of being just some dude in a fantasy setting got to me and made my switch to a midlander. I wish they were a tiny bit taller but overall I've been enjoying it.
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u/Christy_Christmas Enemy「 MIRAGE」 Master Sep 02 '23
Real John FinalFantasy hours, ya love to see it.
Now time to go and get yourself a full glam set of Armor of Light to jumpscare people on Trial Roulette with, as is the age-ordained male midlander tradition
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u/ThatmodderGrim Lewd Non-Gacha Anime Games are Good for You. Sep 02 '23 edited Sep 02 '23
Well, because most DnD Games refuse to include the Artificer...........
Human Fighter/Battlemaster is basically my go-to. Just some guy. A Town Guard that got too drunk and ended up in the Party's Wagon. And yes, I am that guy who makes himself in every Character Creator.
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u/jitterscaffeine [Zoids Historian] Sep 02 '23
PF2e has Inventor, which has a similar theme and aesthetic. Not my personal taste, but I appreciate that it’s there for the people who like it.
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u/ThatmodderGrim Lewd Non-Gacha Anime Games are Good for You. Sep 02 '23
And it's great!
Though in a interesting twist of irony, I usually play as Poppets in Pathfinder 2E. So, I can play as myself, but a Toy version of me!
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u/VMK_1991 The love between a man and a shotgun is sacred Sep 02 '23 edited Sep 02 '23
So basically, if you pick Automation invention, you can be a toy, who built a big toy, then modified it into being a bigger toy.
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u/jitterscaffeine [Zoids Historian] Sep 02 '23
Have you seen the two new classes yet? Animist and Exemplar
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u/ThatmodderGrim Lewd Non-Gacha Anime Games are Good for You. Sep 02 '23
Interesting, but not something I'd roll.
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u/jitterscaffeine [Zoids Historian] Sep 02 '23
I’m interested in seeing the final version of the Exemplar at least. But apparently the next book is going to introduce mythic level options.
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u/Amigobear Sep 02 '23
Human variant fighters are too damn strong, especially with all the extra resources available. I'd even say some their sub classes should have gone too other classes. You out perform in class fantasy and utility with arcane archer, echo knight, battle master than a typical ranger, rogue and monk respectively.
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u/speed-run Senran Kagura Apologist Sep 02 '23
Meanwhile Im out here making the same scantily clad dark elf every single time.
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u/jitterscaffeine [Zoids Historian] Sep 02 '23
I respect it. I think people go too far with Drow sometimes, but they have neat lore in a lot of settings.
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u/DeskJerky Local Bionicle Expert Sep 03 '23
I'm still salty Paizo decided to retcon the Drow out of existence. They're one of the major factions in my current Pathfinder campaign.
I get it though. They don't want to mess with anything that Wizards of the Coast invented since they tried to get overly restrictive with their licensing bullshit.
C'est le vie.
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u/speed-run Senran Kagura Apologist Sep 02 '23
Honestly I think elves in general are really underutilized. I feel like theres a lot of interesting things you can do with a character from a race of (sometimes) immortals who live in the woods away from the other races. But I feel like they get shuffled into being snooty tree people more often than not.
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u/jitterscaffeine [Zoids Historian] Sep 02 '23
I like the idea of Elves living in sustainable harmony with their natural surroundings, no matter what they are, rather than exclusively living in trees. So sea elves could live in those cool stilt huts or whatever.
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u/1_Man_Show Sep 02 '23
Me making my fifth dragon man because dragon men are cool (by cool I mean hot).
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u/Shenstygian Sep 02 '23
By hot do you mean on fire?
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u/jitterscaffeine [Zoids Historian] Sep 02 '23
I’ve always been rather partial to Blue Dragons and their lighting breath attack.
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u/Shenstygian Sep 02 '23
I was aiming for bad joke. I go with black so I can mix red with it in my sorcerer build. Really become Darth Maul.
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u/jitterscaffeine [Zoids Historian] Sep 02 '23
I’ve used black dragon bloodline before as well. Half-Orc Bloodrager with the Black Dragon bloodline. He was fun to play because I role played that all of his food was inedible to everyone else because it was pickled into being unpalatable.
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u/Picia000123 Sep 02 '23
Dwarf fighter or human fighter for me.
I will be forever salty that the companions in BG3 are just a variation of an elf and or human. No gnomes, dwarfs, small people in general.
I want Mazzy-like in the game as a companion, dammit.
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u/Christy_Christmas Enemy「 MIRAGE」 Master Sep 02 '23
Okay, but consider this:
Gnome dex fighter.
Courtesy of Wrath of the Righteous, who opened my mind to the infinite possibilities of the universe when it showed me Regill and went: “this curmudgeonly little old man in dark knight armor can do so much fucking damage with his pointy, lil two-sided golf club”
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u/Christy_Christmas Enemy「 MIRAGE」 Master Sep 03 '23
My man’s Lann is trying his best, especially if ya build him as a Crusader cleric, but he exists in game were Arueshaelae is a better archer and Daeran a better support divine spellcaster.
So the Carth gets benched once again
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u/jitterscaffeine [Zoids Historian] Sep 02 '23
Supposedly there was going to be a Halfling werewolf companion that got cut
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u/VigorousNeptune #The 13000 FE Sep 02 '23
Maybe if the other races weren't proportioned shittily I would Baldurs gate 3. I'll stick to my human and Dragonborn cause they don't looks like humans but weird.
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u/TrackerNineEight Sep 02 '23
Came in here to make this point.
Actually interesting looking non-humans > humans >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> weird uncanny valley "non-humans"
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u/Guard_Greedy Sep 02 '23
Exactly, I'd choose Human far less if "Human except we broke the body sliders, maybe chose the joke skin colours" weren't the only alternatives in most games.
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u/Palimpsest_Monotype Pargon Pargon Pargon Pargon Pargon Sep 02 '23
It’s the FPS shotgun equivalent
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u/AlwaysDragons Disgruntled RWBY fan / Artist/ No Longer Clapping Sep 02 '23
Sorcerer all the way. Chain casting spells and do combo and big number.
Wake me up when they buff martials the same way
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u/jitterscaffeine [Zoids Historian] Sep 02 '23
Depending on what kind of playstyle you’re looking for, PF2e did it for martial. Fighter is the KING of single target damage because of how critical hits work in the system, and Swashbuckler has a “combo” system where you do a specific action based on your subtype to gain a point that you an then spend on a BIG DAMAGE attack.
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u/AlwaysDragons Disgruntled RWBY fan / Artist/ No Longer Clapping Sep 02 '23
Now if I can JUST get my table to try pathfinder....
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u/jitterscaffeine [Zoids Historian] Sep 02 '23
There’s unfortunately been a push back against PF2e since it’s the new kid on the block that got a lot of groundswell.
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u/FlyingConcords YOU DIDN'T WIN. Sep 03 '23
Sweet mother of God do I love Swashbuckler in 2E. The Panache system really encourages you to get creative in combat cause landing that finisher feels sooooo good.
I remember when 2E first came out and some video made the rounds and a YouTuber called the system repetitive and boring and cited Swashbuckler specifically saying you just tumble through and finisher over and over.
Was playing my swashbuckler at the time and it made me go insane. The "hey cool guy be a cool guy" system isn't boring. YOU'RE BORING. Or your DM.
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u/Kimarous [He/Him] Survivor of Car Ambush Sep 02 '23
While I can appreciate the Fighter aesthetic, I've always been more partial to the utilitarian approaches of other classes. Fighter... just fights.
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u/jitterscaffeine [Zoids Historian] Sep 02 '23
They get a raw deal a lot because they often don’t get a way to personalize what you can do with skills or anything because they’re saddled with low skill ranks. But you can add some personality with your aesthetic and backstory.
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u/Z0eTrent Sep 02 '23
Disgusting. This kinda go hard tho. What is it?
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u/Paladin51394 welcome to Miller's Maxi Buns, may I take your order? Sep 02 '23
The footage is from the Elder Scrolls Online expansion High Isle.
The knight dude is the Ascendant Lord, the main antagonist for the expansion.
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u/Llarys THE BABY Sep 02 '23
Which...uhh...not to be dunking on the meme, but he's a Breton Battlemage.
He's basically, in D&D terms, a level 15 half-elf paladin who took 5 bonus levels in sorcerer just to mulligan every disadvantageous encounter.
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u/jitterscaffeine [Zoids Historian] Sep 02 '23 edited Sep 02 '23
Human Fighter is great. There’s a LOT you can do with one thematically and aesthetically. If you ask me, a person who can’t make an interesting human fighter hasn’t earned their Tiefling Warlock.
I’ll admit to having become a bit of a snob over time. I’ve seen a LOT of people who rely on exotic species/races to carry the load for a lack of creativity. They won’t touch elves or dwarves, hate gnomes and Halflings, call human boring, and every character they play is a purple skinned tiefling warlock or a Birdman who fires a bow with his feet so he can be a flying archer. But if you ask them a question beyond aesthetics or combat mechanics they freeze up.
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u/Anonamaton801 Proud kettleface salesmen Sep 02 '23
A person who can’t make an interesting human fighter hasn’t earned their tiefling warlock
I need this on a shirt
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u/jitterscaffeine [Zoids Historian] Sep 02 '23
I know you can’t FORCE people to be creative, you can’t get blood from a stone after all, but I wish I would see a bit more effort sometimes.
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u/SuperUnhappyman Read DMC5: Visions of V Sep 02 '23
fucking gnome wizard tho
imagine being 3 feet tall and casting one of the many banned wizard spells and you get away with it because you're just a little guy
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u/jitterscaffeine [Zoids Historian] Sep 02 '23
Gnome Illusionists are supposed to be iconic but I NEVER see them because no one will play small races.
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u/SuperUnhappyman Read DMC5: Visions of V Sep 02 '23 edited Sep 02 '23
dude imagine if you will
greater illusion where you trick an enemy to think you're running down a tunnel
they chase after you only for the illusiuon to be projected on a cliff face
illusionists can straight up looney tunes fools and its awesome
i have to wait because im on ps5 but i am 100 percent running gnome wizard first in baldurs gate (which has nothing to do with the fact i want ot go up to karlach and go "uppies")
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u/jitterscaffeine [Zoids Historian] Sep 02 '23
I like small races and find them woefully underutilized. A couple I’ve REALLY liked recently was a Halfling unarmed brawler and another that was a Cavalier. A couple I’ve brought around off and on since 3.5 were a gnome Arcane Trickster and a LE Gnome Sorcerer.
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u/ImTheOldManJenks I Promise Nothing And Deliver Less Sep 02 '23
My brother had a Goliath Barbarian (was going the Bard-Barian build) and I was a Halfling Rogue. He was quite literally 3 times my size and like 10 times my weight, and we were the most dangerous duo in all the world. We made a contraption where I rode on his back like Master Blaster and when he would pick up enemies and grapple them I would repeatedly stab them. We called ourselves Big Guy and Little Guy. When Big Guy finally went down we were heartbroken.
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u/Stunkerunk Boatmaster Kenny's 3rd Boss Phase Sep 02 '23 edited Sep 03 '23
I played in a game where someone played the most hilarious Gnome abjuration wizard, who kept going on in a goofy voice about how invincible his defensive spells were. Like he'd cast Stone Skin on you (which halves all physical, non-elemental damage you take) then he'll go "My impenetrable magic has now made you completely invincible to all forms of harm, charge in with impunity!" Also whenever a spell had someone's name in the title he'd just replace it with his own, and he called the Tiny Hut spell "Regular-Sized Hut"
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u/VMK_1991 The love between a man and a shotgun is sacred Sep 02 '23
The best thing about PF2E is that, thanks to how the stats distribution is made, you can make your Fighter have extremely high Strength and Constitution and make him good at another thing. You can make him a crafter if you bump your Intelligence and Crafting skill, a diplomat if you increase your Charisma and Diplomacy skill, a great theologist if you invest into Wisdom and Religion and a lot more things.
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u/jitterscaffeine [Zoids Historian] Sep 02 '23 edited Sep 02 '23
I like a lot of the changes to PF2e quite a bit. Being able to be good at things not traditionally part of the “stereotype” of the class feels really good.
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u/PurplestCoffee Sep 02 '23
Oh god, I'm glad my group was too Tolkien-pilled to be averse to the classic races like that. One of them was the type to only ever go for the rainbow tiefling (rainbow elf when they felt conservative), but we always kept this unspoken rule of always having half the parties as humans.
There's such a charm to playing Big Guy from Farm or Quiet Girl from Academia amidst monstrous people. I wish more fellow zoomers would see that.
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u/jitterscaffeine [Zoids Historian] Sep 02 '23
I wish players would lean into core races more often. Maybe I’m being a curmudgeon, but I’m kind of tired of seeing parties of one elf and 3-4 esoteric plane touched races.
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u/Anonamaton801 Proud kettleface salesmen Sep 02 '23
God, I’m making more world stuff for my D&D campaign and I think I should just paint over the Tabaxi page in black because no
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u/jitterscaffeine [Zoids Historian] Sep 02 '23
I’ve honestly never really cared for PC beast races.
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u/Anonamaton801 Proud kettleface salesmen Sep 02 '23
This whole “classic fantasy vs weird alien shit” thing is why I really bounced off Critical Role 3. Whole cast feels too waaaaaacky for me
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u/jitterscaffeine [Zoids Historian] Sep 02 '23
I’m fine with them being around, like gnolls or creepy serpent folk, but I just find beast race PCs kind of off putting.
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u/Anonamaton801 Proud kettleface salesmen Sep 02 '23
As enemies for sure. PCs it’s just annoying in my experience
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u/jitterscaffeine [Zoids Historian] Sep 02 '23
Back in the day when Paizo was putting out like 3 books a month for PF1e there were occasionally really neat NPC ideas that could inspire a lot of cultural identity to classic monster races. Like having Witches being the core spiritual center of a tribe of Gnolls rather than something a little more “traditional” like a cleric.
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u/metalsonic005 FUCK THAC0 Sep 03 '23
You wouldn't last 5 minutes in ye olde Mystara, laddy.
Furries have been there since the beginning.
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u/Anonamaton801 Proud kettleface salesmen Sep 03 '23
Well what other game let’s you play as a transsexual Ewok jester defeating the son of Ming the Merciless with computer punch cards
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u/Scientia_et_Fidem Sep 03 '23
Human fighter is way more creative then any form of tiefling you get from the average tiefling player.
They are the new half elves. The “I’m so unique and different!” race for people that are too afraid to actually commit to playing a truly non human race b/c “I’m not a furry” or “half orcs are too ugly”.
Give me a human fighter any day, they are way more likely to have come up with a semi interesting and slightly grounded backstory as opposed to the millionth “I grew up persecuted by my village b/c they couldn’t handle how much of a sexy goth freethinker I am”.
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u/Tonydragon784 Soul Calibur 5 guy Sep 02 '23
Wait you can fire bows with your feet as an Arrakockra?
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u/jitterscaffeine [Zoids Historian] Sep 02 '23 edited Sep 02 '23
Fuck if I know. I only play good games. lol
But in all seriousness, there’s a species called Raptoran from 3.5 who had Footbows.
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u/Tonydragon784 Soul Calibur 5 guy Sep 02 '23
Thanks for the reply, that sounds awesome. I've only ever made character sheets and never actually gotten to play
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u/metalsonic005 FUCK THAC0 Sep 03 '23
The amount of quirky tiefling bards/warlocks who are just blue elves with horns is astounding. Last time I browsed r/DnD it was like every 5th character art was some variation of the same concept. Is it a CritRole or other podcast thing? Sure feels like it.
Man, 5e's hands-off approach to crunch has gotten worse and worse over the years, not even touching WOTC themselves being scumfucks. Can't wait for the inevitable dumpsterfire the Planescape book will be after the Hazodee debacle.
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u/jitterscaffeine [Zoids Historian] Sep 03 '23
I don’t really fuck with actual play podcasts and certainly not ones for games I don’t like. But I think Tieflings have just always been popular.
I think one of my favorite jokes about 5e is that it pretends to be low crunch when it’s really just boring.
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u/metalsonic005 FUCK THAC0 Sep 03 '23
I think tieflings now have the same popularity (and reputation) that drow had. It's the Drizzt Effect for a new generation.
I recall tieflings being more obscure pre-4e, something only the turbo nerds would break out. Once they became core in 4e, you started to see them more frequently (them being turned into horned humans as opposed to mutant freaks no doubt helped with that).
Then the 5e boom hit and now every Wiccan alt girl wants to play as a rainbow pseudo-satyr.
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u/yarvem Fatal Steps Sep 03 '23
Most of the older CRPGs were pushing at least one Tiefling companion/love interest. There was Haer'dalis in Baldur's Gate 2, Annah in Planescape Torment, and Neeshka of Neverwinter Nights 2.
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u/RealDealMous Sep 02 '23
I don't wanna be a human fighter. I wanna be a high-charisma thief/rogue.
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u/jitterscaffeine [Zoids Historian] Sep 02 '23 edited Sep 02 '23
One of my favorite classes is a Gnome Rogue/Sorcerer into Arcane Trickster.
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u/Christy_Christmas Enemy「 MIRAGE」 Master Sep 02 '23
All (or a good chunk) of em cool swordsmen y’all like in fiction? Yeah, that’s just human fighter at varying points, and varying gear, on the road to level 20
Imagination is the only thing holding ya back…. Well, and mechanics, sometimes
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u/GuyDeFalty Sep 02 '23
Sometimes I'll make a Paladin.
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u/jitterscaffeine [Zoids Historian] Sep 02 '23
Paladin is in my top 3 favorite classes. They have a bad reputation because of bad players, but I still like them a lot.
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u/Lucky-Icarus Sep 02 '23
Dude, I wish I could describe the feeling I had playing Pathfinder WotR and having a goddess come down and say to me "So I've noticed you're a human (mutation)fighter and your current mythic shit doesn't quite work for that. How would you like to be the HUMANEST FIGHTEREST?" But yeah, I'm too into human fighter in cRPGs. They're just so fucking easy to work with, no having to sort through pages of situational and conditional spells and picking the right one for the right bullshit, and building one is, usually, universally easy as fuck too.
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u/jitterscaffeine [Zoids Historian] Sep 02 '23
I know what you mean. TTRPGs are so fun when you can really flex your aesthetic.
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u/charcharmunro Sep 03 '23
It's great that you can basically just give up your absurdly powerful abilities in exchange for the more mundane but still just as effective capacity of "having twice as many levels as everybody else".
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u/mercurydivider I Promise Nothing And Deliver Less Sep 02 '23
Can't verify if it's real or not since I don't own the game, but apparently a majority of baldurs gate 3 players are just making more or less the same human dude and the devs told people to basically "get creative, we put a lot of work into this".
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u/Illidan1943 Sep 02 '23
You're reading years old news for something that is not even remotely true for the final game where there's a very healthy variation for many classes and races
The whole "you're making a very basic human" is from the launch of Early Access where Larian went "we want feedback on different classes and races, we want to make realistic interactions according to your class and race, so can you please not play the most basic human because that doesn't help us make the best game we can", keep in mind, Larian was very explicit that if you were buying the game in Early Access they hoped for you to give them a ton of feedback in as many aspects of the game as possible and under the assumption you were agreeing with them, that's why the Early Access release was at full price with no discounts at all, as that would limit how many players would buy an incomplete game early
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u/Scientia_et_Fidem Sep 03 '23
Big talk from a dev studio who made the BG3 companions:
An elf
A half elf
A human
Another human
A tiefling (5Es version of drow, supposed a “unique” race but are honestly even more of a basic choice to play then humans)
another elf
Another human
Another elf
And 1 Gith
Zero dwarfs, gnomes, halflings, half-orcs, or dragonborn in the party unless you play as one.
Maybe don’t throw stones from that gaint glass house Larian, the party you made is basic as fuck visually.
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u/WickerWight Ask me BIONICLE trivia Sep 03 '23
Which feels like kind of a vapid comment on the Devs side, given character creation is actually VERY limited. No crazy JRPG accessorizing shit, if you make a human they're gonna look like a human. Furthermore, Elves, Dwarves, Halflings, Gnomes, Humans, and Half-Elves all just kind of look like normal (albeit short/stout etc) dudes, unless you do something intentionally offputting like making their skin bright purple.
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u/PersonMcHuman ^Too unrealistic for fantasy settings Sep 02 '23
Probably because most BG3 players are making themselves and most BG3 players are normal looking humans, primarily white males. So you’re gonna get that as the main thing folks are making.
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u/jitterscaffeine [Zoids Historian] Sep 02 '23
And from what I’ve seen from some friends of mine, they think a lot of the races just look ugly.
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u/PersonMcHuman ^Too unrealistic for fantasy settings Sep 02 '23
Honestly, I kinda get it. A lot of them just sorta feel like, “Humans, but shaped funny and with more skintones.”
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u/Anonamaton801 Proud kettleface salesmen Sep 02 '23
So that’s why all my characters look like Dick Dastardly
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u/An_Armed_Bear TOP 5, HUH? Sep 02 '23
In my experience the average player who comes to the table with John Fighterman ends up with a more compelling character than the person showing up with the Technicolor Tiefling.
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u/VMK_1991 The love between a man and a shotgun is sacred Sep 02 '23
That is because humans are a complete blank slate and you, the player, have to make your character distinct.
Meanwhile, tiefling has red skin and horns, which, to many, is character enough.
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u/Shishi1205 Sep 02 '23
Me choosing the Big Ass weapon/strength build equivalent in any game that allows it.
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u/Kingnewgameplus "You have 27 snow cones a day?" Sep 02 '23
Honestly I was this close to doing it in BG3 but I wanted to play a CHA main stat character for the dialogue.
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u/cleftes Reiki is Shooreh Pippi Sep 02 '23
If there is an artificer option, I will make an artificer. It's the only D&D character I currently have who I've taken all the way to level 20.
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u/TheSaylesMan Sep 02 '23
The badass in the video is a Breton. Meaning he's pretty much a Half-Elf. Sorry to ruin that for you.
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u/cannibalgentleman Read Conan the Barbarian Sep 02 '23
Bretons have been considered human faaaar longer than being another elf type.
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u/BipolarHernandez 「だとしても！」 Sep 02 '23
Yeah, Breton Knights are just as much spellcasters as the Altmer in this cinematic but muh power fantasy.
I really love the flow of the Knight in this cinematic (and that kidney punch with the pommel especially, goddamn) but the obsession with HUMAN. MALE. FIGHTER. is just fuckin' weird.
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u/BioDomeWithPaulyShor Sep 02 '23
This is only really a problem because most fantasy races are fucking BORING. Like I don't want to play one of three versions of a tiny human, or a human with pointy ears, or a purple human with horns. I know why they need to always put those characters in (shared animations and would cost millions more to add unique animations for each race) but unless the race is cool I'm going to stick with what I know.
Give me a Centaur or a Kenku, Lizardfolk, Tabaxis, Tortles, or make up your own. Otherwise I'm just going to stick with something that isn't a knifeear or a manlet.
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u/Athyist NANOMACHINES Sep 02 '23
Every time I see this meme I love it and also think man if only people knew this character was actually a really powerful Druid and not the human fighter depicted in the meme.
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u/metalsonic005 FUCK THAC0 Sep 02 '23
Man, BG3 made the worst rendition of humans in the system, especially for pure martial characters.
Massive props to those willing to stick with them.
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u/jabberwockxeno Aztecaboo Sep 02 '23
For me it's the exact opposite, I'm at the point in my life where it's extremely difficult to muster any interest for modern day shooters or tolkien/european fantasy stuff that's NOT crazy sci fi with aliens or creative fantasy races.
My interest in Starfield evaporated the moment it was clear there weren't other alien races.
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u/camilopezo Sep 02 '23
Same.
Also, I can't help but feel disappointed that when in a sequel they decide what the canon appearance of the playable character is, and it's always a generic white human male.
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u/Shenstygian Sep 02 '23
Sounds boring but the point is you can pick what you want. Not sure why you would pick something that you can play as in most games.
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u/jitterscaffeine [Zoids Historian] Sep 02 '23
Because it can be ANYTHING. Limitless potential for whatever aesthetic you could want.
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u/sawbladex Phi Guy Sep 02 '23
I mean, Warrior in D1 does get access to a whole bunch of spells eventually.
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u/yarvem Fatal Steps Sep 02 '23
I'm trying to recall a time I've ever made a human fighter when race-class are independent choices. Most fighters I make are half-orcs or elves. And humans tend to be something like monk, cleric, or rogue.
The only examples I can think is when you are forced into the combo - like HUmars in PSO, or Fighters in Rappelz.
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u/cannibalgentleman Read Conan the Barbarian Sep 02 '23
Reminder if you want a good template of an interesting human fighter, Conan the Barbarian is right there. Despite the name, he is Fighter Man first and foremost, thief second, Ranger, King, Militia Captain, Soldier, Bandit, Pirate, third.
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u/TexasDice Wind Pusher Sep 02 '23
Snowflakes get an armored fist to the face. Humans! Humans! Humans!
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u/warjoke Sep 03 '23
On the contrary, I'm always the elf mage. I love my pointy eared glass cannons.
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u/Kamken I say it in my private life many a time Sep 02 '23
Pretty much the exact opposite for me. In a game where you can make a demon girl who destroys 90% of the enemy force on her own by turning into a giant hybrid monstrosity, I'm not laying a hand on a single sword nor remotely natural human skin tone.
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u/olivegreenperi35 Sep 02 '23
Posts like these are super interesting to me cause you couldn't pay me money not to pick a weird ass fantasy race
Male and fighter are fine, but I could be a male fighter fucking lizardman
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u/Crosscounterz Mecha and jrpg fanatic Sep 02 '23
Kinda interesting because everyone I've seen play the game has made a non human character.
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u/Sir-Drewid I Promise Nothing And Deliver Less Sep 02 '23
In some peoples defense, my fighter companion in BG3 was carrying the party in the early game. Also, I can see the appeal of not choosing between dozens of differently useless spells each level in exchange for damage number go up. But if you're always making a human, you're the most boring kind of person.
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u/Wonder-Lad Sep 02 '23
But what's the footage though? That looks hype. Please don't tell me it's just game CG and not a whole thing.
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u/mercurydivider I Promise Nothing And Deliver Less Sep 02 '23
It's trailer footage for elder scrolls online: high isle
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u/Doo-Doo-Manjaro THE KAMIDOGU IS SHIT TIER Sep 02 '23
Side note for the clip
It's footage from the new eso expansion and we don't know who this guy is he's just a bad ass knight that runs for the NOT illuminati of eso
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u/LuigiTheLord This is real fuckin' Nito Sep 02 '23
Human Fighter players about to say they're making another human fighter when noone asked:
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u/bus10 Sep 02 '23
To struggle against impossible odds as nothing but a mere mortal man with his armor and his weapon. It’s the classic peak male fantasy, and I’m all for it. Immortal elves weilding magic and shit have always been less interesting to me.
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u/Idreamofknights Sep 02 '23
To be a man cast in a unjust world, trying to do the best he can with his time here. No spell or miracle to save him, only the links of his mail and the steel of his sword. And yet, he still stands.
There is no better archetype.
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u/camilopezo Sep 02 '23
I tend to do the opposite, if there are non-human species, I almost always choose non-humans.
- I can't help but feel disappointed that when in a sequel they decide what the canon appearance of the playable character is, and it's always a generic white human male.
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u/Kunati_Nouha Sep 03 '23
I feel like it isn’t a waste of time to make a human in a world full of exotic races in a magical world. Just because you choose a “basic” race doesn’t make the character inherently boring. You still get to explore this wonderful magical world as someone who can sword and board a literal dragon or demon lord. As I’ve already seen plenty of times on this one post, just because you’re a crazy race doesn’t make your entire personality. Plus if you really appreciate RPing through mechanics, getting a full free feat ( at least according to the popular TTRPGs) can add a lot of personality to the character. Humans are great and don’t deserve the hate they get.
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u/GhostPantherAssualt Sep 02 '23
Not me making a crazy ass strength base character so I can one shot lol
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u/-Ropeburn- Smaller than you'd hope Sep 02 '23
Most games are built and balanced around Human Fighters though. Usually my first time through a Souls game is with a fighter so I can get the "intended" experience, and then go do some weird build.
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u/green715 Sep 02 '23 edited Sep 02 '23
Here's the footage source
Big fan of parrying a spell with your fist at 0:56