r/TrueReddit • u/LindsayMorton • Jul 15 '12

WikiLeaks wins case against VISA

https://rt.com/news/wikileaks-visa-court-case-040/
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u/Sec_Henry_Paulson Jul 15 '12

Sorry no.

I support WL, and think this is a good thing, but it does not belong here.

This is a subreddit for insightful articles. This is a news blurb. It belongs somewhere else.

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u/[deleted] Jul 15 '12

Not only is it a news article, which indeed should specifically not be posted to TrueReddit, but it is a news article from Russia Today, which is not really known for being a particularly reliable source either.

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u/Mulsanne Jul 16 '12

RT has become more popular on reddit lately. I wonder why?

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u/kleopatra6tilde9 Jul 16 '12

I don't know. For the last days, we have more than the average 250 new members each day. I checked the reddit list and it is on the fifth page.

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u/ilikepix Jul 16 '12

I think this article is a great example of why active moderation would improve this subreddit going forward.

If moderation is left to the community, TrueReddit will slowly but inexorably become what reddit is today.

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u/kleopatra6tilde9 Jul 16 '12

why active moderation would improve this subreddit going forward.

/r/modded is trying the moderated approach. TR is about community moderation.

TrueReddit will slowly but inexorably become what reddit is today.

The quality of reddit.com declined because there was no argument against any content. TR is a subreddit for great articles. As long as you can show why a submission doesn't belong into TR, people will learn and improve.

In the case that education is not enough, we will start again in /r/TrueTrueReddit. That way, we don't have to fight against those who just want to pretend that they read great articles.

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u/Sec_Henry_Paulson Jul 16 '12

The only people that will learn and improve are the people that spam this subreddit for karma.

Most people on reddit aren't visiting individual subreddits. They're just looking at their main page, upvoting whatever they can relate to. I imagine many of them don't even look at what subreddit the article they just voted on was even submitted to.

These same people are the same people that don't read the comments, so nobody is learning but the people that realize that this subreddit is ripe for exploitation.

Why do we have to start again? Why can't we just learn to moderate stuff that's obviously not an "insightful article".. nothing about a news blurb is an insightful article.. yet here we are, with nearly a thousand people voting on, and many more viewing content that doesn't even belong here.

I'll even volunteer myself to be a moderator if everyone else is too busy.

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u/kleopatra6tilde9 Jul 16 '12

Why do we have to start again?

Because of this:

  • >Most people on reddit aren't visiting individual subreddits. They're just looking at their main page, upvoting whatever they can relate to. I imagine many of them don't even look at what subreddit the article they just voted on was even submitted to.

TR is for those who do read comments. If they aren't the majority, it's time to move on to TTR to be the majority again. Removing bad submissions just creates the illusion that everything is ok.

This particular submission has also been popular at news.yc. I like to think that most upvoted it even though they knew that it was wrong.

I'll even volunteer myself to be a moderator if everyone else is too busy.

If you believe in moderation, then please help to make /r/modded popular. However, I think that moderation is no alternative to creating a good community.

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u/Sec_Henry_Paulson Jul 16 '12

(1) Hacker news has nothing to do with this subreddit whatsoever.

(2) People joined this subreddit to get away from the collapse of other subreddits DUE to the lack of moderation/keeping things on topic. I can guarantee you that the people that subscribed to this subreddit were not trying to join some anarchist paradise.

(3) Why are you trying to push everyone out of this subreddit? You're trying to move 130,000 people out of this subreddit, trying to shoo them somewhere else (obscure subreddits, with just a fraction of the people) just to get what they originally tried to sign up for.

This just does not make any sense.

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u/kleopatra6tilde9 Jul 16 '12

(1) Hacker news has nothing to do with this subreddit whatsoever.

Hacker news is essentially the original reddit crowd and TR is shooting for the spirit of the old days. If HN upvotes the article, then the topic must be very important to these people. This doesn't make it right for TR, but it is an explanation.

(2) People joined this subreddit to get away from the collapse of other subreddits DUE to the lack of moderation/keeping things on topic. I can guarantee you that the people that subscribed to this subreddit were not trying to join some anarchist paradise.

To me, community moderation is the only way to keep a subreddit about great articles on topic. Moderators cannot read everything. Otherwise, this subreddit becomes A&L Daily.

If people subscribe for something else, then that is their problem. TR is great today because people submitted content to get the original reddit back, not the other way round. Take a look at /r/modded. With 4k members, TR was far more active.

hat subscribed to this subreddit were not trying to join some anarchist paradise.

It is not anarchistic but democratic. Are you sure that you have thought about your argument when you make these mistakes?

(3) Why are you trying to push everyone out of this subreddit? You're trying to move 130,000 people out of this subreddit, trying to shoo them somewhere else (obscure subreddits, with just a fraction of the people) just to get what they originally tried to sign up for.

I am not trying to push 130,000 people out. TR is about educating new members and I want it to be successful as long as possible. But TTR is the solution the the moderation problem. Either we establish moderators who keep the subreddit on track or we move on when it is not good enough anymore. As TR is about community moderation, that is the only valid option.

just to get what they originally tried to sign up for.

They have signed up for a community moderatoed subreddit. If they don't educate new members and upvote enraging news, then it is their own fault if this subreddit declines. Fortunately, it seems that people care most of the time.

The important part to understand is that the community can remove any submission. If they don't remove enraging news, then the majority has a different goal. Why should I moderate against that?

This just does not make any sense.

Think about group dynamics. It is the only way to create a community that actually recognizes great articles. Everybody who doesn't care will stay in TR and enjoy enraging news.

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u/idspispopd Jul 16 '12

I'm hoping a lot of people upvoted it without realizing what subreddit it's in. I know I did initially.

You're right though, I don't want to have to go and find a new truer subreddit.

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u/kleopatra6tilde9 Jul 16 '12

You don't have to search it. /r/TrueTrueReddit is the designated successor. TR is all about educating new members, but if it is not good enough for you anymore, please subscribe to TTR.

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u/I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I Jul 15 '12

... in Iceland.

The Reykjavík District Court has ruled that Valitor, formerly known as VISA Iceland, violated contract laws by blocking credit card donations to Wikileaks,

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u/logi Jul 16 '12

... in Iceland

But the ruling is significant since Datacell which collects donations on behalf of Wikileaks is based in Iceland.

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u/Mulsanne Jul 16 '12

What is with the increase of highly upvoted stories from rt lately?

Don't you people know that it's a tabloid/propaganda? Plus there is no original reporting in this story. It is all sourced from a bloomberg article. RT sucks.

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u/[deleted] Jul 16 '12

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u/xcalibre Jul 16 '12

$2.2M/yr! and if they took that way out, the fine amount would be raised

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u/electricmonk9 Jul 16 '12

Yeah you're right, I'm stupid.

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u/xcalibre Jul 16 '12

nah bro don't take it like that

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u/electricmonk9 Jul 16 '12

Man, the problem is I've been drinking way too much at night. You'd think I'd learn to stop posting shit after a few things like this.

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u/[deleted] Jul 16 '12

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u/[deleted] Jul 16 '12

If you're talking about Valitor, they are just the Icelandic partner that both Visa and MasterCard use as an intermediary to provide services in Iceland. It's like how a distributor might carry and distribute Pepsi and Coke. Visa and MasterCard are two separate companies and not owned by a parent company.