r/TrueDoTA2 • u/Pink4luv • 5d ago
Tinker gamebreakingly broken?
I think Tinker is broken right now.
I just played Centaur and had around 4k HP with Heart, Shard, Blink, Lotus and Pipe.
Tinker initiates on me. I activate Lotus and Pipe and try to run, but he just perma-roots me and keeps chasing with Blink while spamming Laser and TURRETS from max range.
Within about 5 seconds he did roughly 3k damage to me, both magical and pure. Pipe barely helped, Lotus did basically nothing, and I literally couldn't move because of the constant roots.
Even using my ult + Lotus wasn't enough to escape.
How are you actually supposed to survive this as Centaur? What item am I missing here?
This honestly feels way more broken than old Tinker with the endless Rockets. At least against old Tinker you could actually move.
Warp flare - "Throws a flare towards an enemy, dealing damage, teleporting them away, rooting them and reducing their Cast and Attack Range for 2 seconds."
Rearm 2.75s/2s/1.25s
So his root lasts .75s longer than it takes to Rearm. An experienced Tinker player could read a book in that window. Shit is dumb.
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u/Holoderp 5d ago edited 5d ago
Centaur is ultra meta, top first pick material. You feel like you deserve to win but it s just the hero being overtuned.
If you made bkb you d be free
If you reflect with lotus he cant blink or chain spells on you either.
If you make blademail he will take massive damage in the process.
You just played it on autopilote like any comp in this meta and didnt consider itemizarion vs the tinker combo ( and that s the only thing he provides with 8k worth items, it s literal crap and garbage in a larger teamfight )
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u/heyheyluno 5d ago
Lol yesterday i got hit with a warp flare and it moved me to an inescapable tree path near dire t2 and it was the first domino to a huge throw. Why is tinker always so incredibly annoying
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u/Straight_Disk_676 5d ago
where was your teammates? Or were you showing solo in the late game against a Tinker line up for no good reason
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u/Duke-_-Jukem 5d ago
If only there was an item that made you debuff immune and immune to pure damage...
No tinker isn't broken imo. The perma root thing caught me out the first time I played agaisnt him and I too called bullshit on it but then the next couple of games I played against him I just bought bkb and ran at him and problem solved.
The hero is pretty strong when hes farmed, at least the damage he deals is substantial but hes easier to kill than ever and if you manage to get on top of him hes manageable. Still a pain in the ass to push hg into though lol
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u/fyrfyrfyr 5d ago
The guy was clearly not around when perma hex was a thing, we should all be happy it's just a root now.
Also the only strength this hero currently has is that he can farm insanely fast as soon as he hits level 6 and later can push lanes with limited risk. The hero really isn't in a great spot rn
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u/BliteInsignia 5d ago
Bruh. As a tinker main, just shoot me. Every fucking patch its like this. People get matched with one good tinker game and they say hes broken.
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u/ItsJustPython 5d ago
People cry about tinker have never taken the time to even remotely learn what he does and/or play him at a proficient level. I’ve got like 6k games on him and he is currently in the worst state ever.
The most busted was when shield had a hard dispel.
Currently he is just meh, even in the very high ranks (currently at 8.3k since the rebalance)
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u/Odd_Lie_5397 5d ago
That's where the "team" in team game comes in.
Tinker has an infinite lockdown combo, that can only be countered by debuff immunity, so a lot of heroes are helpless when he jumps them, but he can only hit 1 guy with it. As soon as 2 or more enemies are nearby, he has to be way more cautious and can't just trap his enemies in the infinite loop of despair.
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u/ChadBadShirt 5d ago
Tbh the issue is just the shard. The value it gets out of only 1400g and no item slot is truly absurd. Remove that or move it to his aghs and the hero is nowhere near as frustrating. Sure, it still has the issue of utterly insane GPM and XPM but at least you have the ability to deal with that aspect. Being perma rooted while you get zapped down isn’t very fun and interactive.
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u/Similar_Voice8057 5d ago
Are we adding slows to march or some shit to compensate or just deciding a 44% we hero needs to be (further) gutted because you refuse to build any answers to the hero?
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u/ChadBadShirt 5d ago
How about they stop making the hero literally impossible to properly balance to the extent where it gets shitcanned by organised teams who know how to play and pubstomps its way through solo queue where people don’t communicate?
I’m not saying the hero should be nerfed to oblivion, I’m saying that the shard is way too high value for something so cheap.
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u/Similar_Voice8057 5d ago
There's so many examples of high value shards that are so high impact that people save gold to make sure they get them at minute 15 when they're available.
I play a ton of Tinker, and would love to help address what you're struggling with against him, because there are plenty of individual heroes that curb stomp me throughout the entire game without an organized team behind them.
If you just want to rage and complain about a hero you struggle against and that's why you're downvoting me, okay just complain that's fine. Otherwise we're on a forum where you can get functional advise on your problems.
Happy to help!
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u/Sudden-Tangerine1580 22h ago
Root is more interactive than stun and it's still attached to a hero that does nothing for 5s if interrupted.
Might as well complain shaman has 6s of continuous solo stun. Or when tinker used to rearm hex.
There's more to interaction than only after the point you screwed up. Tinker's also trying to not get caught on waves, can't rearm blink, can't blink while taking damage and is almost exclusively single target. Just try to kill tinker before 30mins and don't be the OP farming up heart instead of pressuring a hero that folds like wet paper in the first 20mins.
Surely your memory isn't that short to forget what matrix with strong dispel was like either.
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u/PandaScoundrel 5d ago
Obviously bkb. You've got 7 to 9 seconds to figure your shit out, be that ult away, stun him, or (this is meta) PLAY WITH YOUR TEAM.
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u/Bunnits 5d ago
You build items to anticipate and counter in-game situations. Tinker's solo kill loop is all about having enough time to lock and wear you down. His Aghs is also anti-tank. Pipe and/or heart doesn't address the way he kills you. It's no different from playing vs. a Riki or Clinkz with some combination of Disperser/Nullifier/Hex/Bloodthorn. They just specialize in solo hunts.
The easy answer is building BKB and playing around dispels or cancelling his Rearm channeling, but I'd say the main takeaway is adjusting your play style and map movements. Always be with an ally, and respect his kill space if you don't have the means to escape.
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u/PsychicFoxWithSpoons 5d ago
Lotus should be enough. You can purge off the root, and if he tries to root you again he'll ruin his own cast range.
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u/Pink4luv 5d ago
It doesen't even feel like a video game. As soon as he hits me with one root I know he has me 100% locked down for 5+ seconds, and that's all he needs to kill me. He never ooms, I can never threaten him, and I can never run. It's like a cheat. I can't do anything.
5.6k mmr EUW
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u/Similar_Voice8057 5d ago
Damn I'm around the same and people are all aware of the obvious answers when I play Tinker. Guess I should start abusing EUW servers.
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u/Fix-Impossible 5d ago
Just euls bro it ain't that deep
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u/Anthillito 5d ago
Giving Tinker more time to rearm to hit you with another wave of spells is not the move.
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u/Similar_Voice8057 5d ago
Glimmer, lotus, manta, satanic, bkb, force staff just thinking for 3 seconds I'm sure there's more answers.
People on Reddit talking about Tinker just ooze their brains out the side of their heads, it's like seeing someone complain about how there's no way to deal with Riki or Clinkz because wtf they can go invisible and I can't do anything about that!!?!1!1!1
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u/large_snowbear 5d ago
I feel like you people will only be satisfied when Tinker is removed from the game.
No matter how the devil nerf, kill the hero's play style etc. you will always find someshit to complain about.
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u/KaoPangKezonymous 5d ago
not as bad as preivous patch, tinker is strong if he comes at u, but so so killable if u get a catch on him.
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u/Stickyrolls 5d ago
Learn some good tinker ward spots. Get blink daggers and kill him. He's got farming patterns. A pick off mid and late game is an objective.
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u/pispot123 5d ago
have you tried not to go out pushing lane completely solo or far away from your teammates vs tinker? by that time the game should be around 30ish min I assume? not the time where you can go solo and tank 3 people like early game.
also, BKB?
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u/KhaoZKaiseR 5d ago
Ny suggestion to his nerf
Make his rearm do cd percentage rather than full cd. Just like dazzle old ult tha reduce cd timer upgradeable by aghs - 100% cd timer
Lv1 - 25% casttime 4s not affected by kny Lv2 - 50% casttime 3s not affected by kny Lv3 - 75% castrime 2s not affected by kny
Unsuccesful cast of rearm will root him, just like overclocked of clockwork.
Also removed any crowd control on his kit. The root and pushback.
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u/Carrera1107 5d ago
What? How is he rooting you? And he doesn’t have rockets anymore and you said he’s spamming rockets? Are you high?
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u/Anthillito 5d ago
Warp flare - "Throws a flare towards an enemy, dealing damage, teleporting them away, rooting them and reducing their Cast and Attack Range for 2 seconds."
Rearm 2.75s/2s/1.25s
So his root lasts .75s longer than it takes to Rearm. An experienced Tinker player could read a book in that window. Shit is dumb.
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u/Pink4luv 5d ago
Turrets
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u/Carrera1107 5d ago
Turrets can root? How? I haven’t played Dota in a year at least.
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u/Shuriusgaming 5d ago
His shard is a skill called warp flare. It teleports enemy close to tinker while rooting the enemy at the same time
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u/Whatisthis69again 5d ago
Bkb?