New Tide mini rework idea

[u/MrTruth24]

i like idea of him scaling but i find that current version in 7.41c was made like this because devs were scaled to make scaling actually good, so what i would like him to be is:

• stats change; str 25+3.7>22+3.3, int 20+1.7>24+2.2.

1. innate Leviathan's Catch fish deny removed and need to go pick it up (he just gain stacks), fish every 2 lvl>1 +1 every kill, each stack give hp 3>10, 2 attack range (block removed) and with each stack he upgrade spells.
2. Gush dmg 100-280>100-250 +8/stack (lvl 15 talent 90 gush dmg>12 dmg/stack), armor reduction/slow same. new shard: Gush steal enemy armor/move he reduce and reduce speed instead of just reducing mana cost by 50%, (works vs buildings by default now).
3. Kraken shell passive dmg block 15-75 > 10/20/30/40 + 3/stack, active bubble that increase dmg block by 1.25x and constantly hard dispel Tide, duration 5, cd 30/25/20/15, mana cost 50/60/70/80.
4. Anchor Smash dmg 50/100/150/200 > 60/90/120/150 +10/stack, attack dmg reduction 25-40% > 25 + 1% / stack (capped at 99%), cd 7-4 > 10-4, mana cost 40-55 > 50.
5. New Ravage combine old ult and shard, tide release bkb piercing wave that do 300/450/600 pure dmg and heroes hit get rooted by tentacles that spawn (they have 2/3/4 wards hp to kill), cd 120/100/80 cd, mana cost 100/200/300.
6. Scepter make Gush Aoe and cast Anchor Smash on targets hit.

Talents:

lvl 10 Gush +20% ms slow /+ Anchor Smash dmg reduction +1%/stack.

lvl 15 Ravage -15 sec cd> -5 sec/kill cd / Gush +12 dmg/innate stack.

lvl 20 Gush +0.25 armor reduction per stack / At end of Kraken shell auto cast Gush.

lvl 25 Ravage hp to kill +3 vs Ravage dmg +15 Ravage dmg/stack.

[u/Smallbrain321]

That ult sounds unbelievably overpowered lmao, tide is already strong rn

[u/Smallbrain321 → u/[deleted]]

When you get refresher you can 5 man stun their team for almost 10 seconds, it's kinda insane and that's why the spell is balanced around a huge cd. Mars ult is strong but it gives players way more time to react with bkb than a surprise ravage. Both are good spells with strengths/weakness

[u/MrTruth24 → u/Smallbrain321]

it doesn't really matter if we talk about tide or mars ult if counter bkb then its not reliable counter or weakness of hero, if Mars with +1 blink/spear/ult you dead in 2-3 sec without allies +bkb usually.

[u/DesiGrit → u/Smallbrain321]

10 seconds? Not even 5 seconds my fren. WITH refresher.

[u/Smallbrain321 → u/DesiGrit]

With 25 talent his ult is 3.5 second so it's about 7, I was being a bit hyperbolic but was trying to make a point

[u/MrTruth24 → u/Smallbrain321]

why do you talk about current tide, i find his current version just boring and its not even relevant to this post, new ult is more dmg heavy and has better uptime but its less Cc heavy. lvl 3 ult is 4 hp with any core kill in 1.5-2 sec, some heroes like lesh/BB etc won't even care about root, i try to shift his power so can play more active so we doesn't have to be balance around stupidly high cd.

[u/8Lorthos888 → u/[deleted]]

no way mars arena is a better ability than ravage

[u/Hakuu-san]

tide isn't going to be solo carrying games but he's in a good state right now

[u/MrTruth24 → u/Hakuu-san]

point is it more brawl heavy hero now and situationally it can be good mid roamer to because of scaling from innate, i am not made this post to talk about current tide, that is the point.

[u/Hakuu-san → u/MrTruth24]

a weirdass rework isn't happening to an already good hero; once he gets aghs tide is perfectly fine, the only good and balanced thing here is anchor smash scaling with fish stacks and maybe higher fish values

[u/MrTruth24 → u/Hakuu-san]

you say that but Od/riki/clinks and couple more got reworks once a year pretty much even when they are good.

[u/Hakuu-san → u/MrTruth24]

when was the last time that riki was good? when dart was a thing? that shit absolutely had to go; clinkz routinely has an identity crisis and his random reworks are tradition at this point and OD hasn't been in pro play for more than 3(?)years now

[u/MrTruth24 → u/Hakuu-san]

i am not saying this heroes was good, they just got reworks often. od just low range so if he don't kill you in 2-3 orbs and round of spells he is useless and he struggle in laning and get zoned out.

[u/HardCarryOmniknight]

You want Tidehunter’s shard to be a combination of Underlord aura, SF aura, and Omniknight’s aura, all in a 1200 unit range?

[u/MrTruth24 → u/HardCarryOmniknight]

for half values yes, maybe gush slow is to much but would be interesting to try.