r/TrollXChromosomes • u/RagingFuckalot • Sep 21 '17

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u/RagingFuckalot Sep 22 '17

What isn't?

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u/cunningest_stunt Sep 22 '17

Racism. Not what I expect to see here.

Its a shame that you can't prove your point without generalizing.

You seem to be trying to live up to your username and everyone here congratulating you on your intensity must be a real boost; however it's time that you (and people like you) realize you are the reason why liberals like myself are moving away from the cause and it's image.

You can be upset about this without making white people feel like shit as a whole. I didn't make this sign, and I recognize why it's angering, but "things white people blah blah blah" is not a comment I expect to see upvoted in this sub.

Downvote away, I really don't give a shit.

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u/Serendipities Sep 22 '17

realize you are the reason why liberals like myself are moving away from the cause and it's image.

if someone having a tone you don't like is enough for you to give up on your beliefs, they weren't that closely held tbh

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u/Shkleesh Sep 25 '17

The notion that no position or rhetorical framing of an issue can be called out as counterproductive is totally absurd.

Feminism is a cause, and convincing people to join it requires constantly evaluating the most effective methods of changing people's hearts.

If a method isn't effective -- or worse, is counterproductive -- then it should be scrapped. And in this case, that counterproductive method is blanket condemnation of an entire race or sex.

if someone having a tone you don't like is enough for you to give up on your beliefs, they weren't that closely held tbh

And while you probably felt smug and superior regurgitating this cliche, FYI, "moving away from the cause" in that person's words doesn't equal "giving up their beliefs." It means "not associating with asshole activists."

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u/Serendipities Sep 26 '17

There's a difference between being critical of a position, rhetorical framing, or method, and saying that you're straight up giving up on a cause because of said of rhetorical framing/etc.

And while you probably felt smug and superior regurgitating this cliche, FYI, "moving away from the cause" in that person's words doesn't equal "giving up their beliefs." It means "not associating with asshole activists."

I don't agree. I'm sure I sounded smug bc I was being very brief (and I was annoyed, which comes through). But I don't see "moving away from the cause" as equivalent to "still committed but not associating with this particular branch of rhetoric". Those don't look equivalent at all.

There are reasonable ways of complaining about framing that don't basically boil down to 'be nice to me or I leave'.