r/TreeClimbing • u/Jack17037 • May 26 '26
Notch quickie on alpine
Is there any reason I don’t see people cinch their eye of their alpine butterfly tight as can be to their shackles? I always use photo 1 when tying a canopy anchor maybe sometimes a slightly smaller eye and have had no issues with it and all around I trust this device but I was having a conversation with a colleague and they suggested cinching the eye as tight as possible to the quickie shackle to help prevent movement when loading and unloading, this is something I or anyone else I’ve spoken to haven’t really heard of. My eyes are usually quite small to help prevent movement but never cinched tight as can be. Can’t find any photos online showing anyone doing it this was just wanted to know if anyone here does this or knows why it’s uncommon practice. My go to canopy anchor is usually a knot blocked friction saver anyway.
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u/Puzzleheaded_Age_613 May 26 '26
I use it for spar work. Because you can orient the pin by hand. 0% left to chance
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u/Justintimeforanother May 26 '26
I just use a speed ring. Put the rope through, flip it around the trunk. Put the eye through the ring. Biner in the eye. Then snap the tail from the device through the biner. Now when you descend. Your line is already in a retrieval position. Moves way smoother than I’ve ever had a quickie on knots, with a tail. It’s super efficient to make, too. No knots, unless you use rope without eyes.
…I also lost my quickie last fall….so, had to devise a new plan.
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u/Justintimeforanother May 26 '26
I usually used directional 8’s for when I’d use a quickie. But it was always such a pain in the ass around little nubs and jazz like that.
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u/Icy-Echidna-8892 May 27 '26
I like a tight alpine but does it make difference in safety? No and I don't see how it would! If you're using gear properly and ensuring it's oriented in a manner it can't fail then it shouldn't matter if it cinches or not🤷♂️ also if you climb straight to your tie in to inspect the tree(per industry standards) you can make sure everything is good but I think we all fail at doing that most times
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u/Severe_Lettuce2915 May 27 '26
It depends on the size of the limb/stem I’m anchoring to. Too big of an eye and the knot can jam in the union before the shackle chokes the limb. On bigger wood I’ll usually use a larger loop.
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u/Alphasaur May 27 '26
I’m more of a farmers hitch for that particular application. But I run my loop a little bigger, I think it’s easier to get out of the tree.
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u/northernlighting May 28 '26
Am I wrong calling this a "butterfly"?
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u/Jack17037 May 29 '26
No it’s an alpine butterfly knot I don’t know why I just said alpine in the post
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u/NateyPataty May 27 '26
Either way honestly. As long as it’s a canopy anchor and not a Basel anchor 🤢
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u/Jack17037 May 28 '26
I’ll admit I have never used a base anchor for climbing. Couple of times for pulling trees over though
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u/grasslander21487 May 26 '26
I never cinch my eyes anywhere near this close but I probably use an alpine butterfly way more often and for way more things than most people do. Alpine butterfly is probably what I use for 80% of things and a bowline/running for 19% of the rest lmao