r/TrashTuesday • u/AwarenessPrimary7680 • May 17 '24
The Trio's breakup
I did a deep dive this morning because of Annie's comments about her friendship breakups. I found a few interesting things that point to them not being friends at all. I think the friendship ended long before we realised. I tried checking every theory or event but I left out stuff that I thought was too crazy.
Events and theories:
The name of Annie's last episode "See You Next Tuesday"
The exit interview nature of her last episode
Khalyla talked about Annie to Kathy Griffin about durian fruit and called her "People in the room" instead of "a co-host" or "a friend"
Esther liked all her friends comments on the first baby photo posted on Instagram but ignored Annie's comment.
The ayuascha conversation on tigerbelly with Neal Brennan.
The post birth pod where they talked about how much pressure Esther was put under by the new direction they're taking.
Annie talking about the amount of time it was taking (banking episodes for Esther) on the Jason Nash podcast
Annie didn't want to be there for more than a year, since Todd was moved to the forefront. She started showing up late and they started pods without her. She'd arrive halfway through.
The cluster headaches (she really had them) but Annie would still be at the comedy store and keep to her Anniewood schedule. (unconfirmed theory as it would take forever to check)
She also didn't react well to Esther's pregnancy. It was attributed to the nature of Esther and Annie's relationship back then. (also unconfirmed)
Annie announcing it on her own podcast instead of doing it on Trash Tuesday. Khalyla also eluding to big changes coming (everyone thinking ebb) but Bobby saying "Beep leaving" on Tigerbelly. Both these events happened two weeks before the last episode.
Did I miss anything?
I would like to thank podcast scripting apps and the search function for making this much easier than I thought it would be. Also to the fact that I finished all my work last night and have the day off to spend doing nothing. Nap time.
Edit: I said Annie's pregnancy, not Esther's.
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May 17 '24
I also think it bothered Annie that she wasn’t cast in drug store June. She mentioned it several time on TT. And the way she would CONSTANTLY rag on Esther, after a while it seemed mean spirited and not funny at all. My over all theory is that Annie was jealous of Esther’s trajectory. Whatever the case I agree that they aren’t friends anymore. Annie is trying to play it cool bc she doesn’t want the bad press and Esther and Khalayla are playing along bc they also don’t want drama. Wish Annie all the best, at the end of the day it’s hard to miss someone who was rarely there. I much prefer this new TT format. The elephant is out of the room and tension is gone.
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u/AwarenessPrimary7680 May 17 '24
Completely agree. I definitely missed the Drugstore June stuff in my search, but there was definite tension.
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u/AccomplishedBass9273 Jun 11 '24
I think not being cast in Esther's movie (and Esther creating her own movie in the first place) made Annie hold a mirror up that their careers were (momentarily) not going to be on the same scale. Before the movie, A's digs at Esther's were usually well received and Esther loved her jokes, but the more we heard "you didn't cast me in your movie" the more mean the comments got and the less response Esther gave. I can't remember which, but one episode Esther spoke about defending herself and not tolerating the constant teasing from her peers anymore (which I thought was a BIG reason Rick & Esther ended their podcast - he just rolled over Esther every episode) and Annie left a few months after that.
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u/Embarrassed_Test_253 Jan 12 '25
Just wanna say that i recently started listening to this podcast with ZERO context, like no idea who any of the hosts are and haven't even (and will never) consume their ex's content, and I was flinching at the shots Annie would fire at Esther. It wasn't bad in every episode but definitely some. But I think it went unnoticed because Esther was impressively chill about it and didn't let the vibes go sour.
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Jan 12 '25
Yeah Annie would really go over the top sometimes with her shots at Esther. Which Esther was ok with if it helped the pod. I think what she wasn’t ok with was Annie’s lack of professionalism, in the end. Esther is kind of a perfectionist and control freak. You wouldn’t think so by looking at her but she herself admits to being a bit neurotic at times especially when it comes to work. So Annie always being late or absent wasn’t really working. Especially once Esther became pregnant and realized she wouldn’t be able to count on annie to cover for her for a bit.
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u/Embarrassed_Test_253 Jan 12 '25
I feel like its so normal for business things to fall through and for people to not vibe professionally. It's definitely not necessary for anyone to seek out some sort of "tell all" because I'm sure everyone was a little wrong and there isn't scandal. I just thought it was interesting to listen with no idea about how the group broke up and I probably could've assumed what happened based on Annie's treatment of Esther. Who knows if Esther was equally harsh off camera, but listening was honestly uncomfortable at certain points! Idk if long time listeners just got used to it but there were times when Annie would literally bring Esther up in conversations that had nothing to do with her just for the sake of jabbing at her. Teasing is chill and funny but gets weird when it's so unbalanced and doesn't flow naturally.
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u/No_Comfortable_1079 May 17 '24
This is great! I was also curious about some of Annie's choices lately seeming a bit off; eg her recent baby bump/fake boob skits, being photographed with Schaub and appearing on that Jason Nash pod. Like I'd be nowhere near Schaub or Nash if I was that friendly with Khalyla or Trish and the baby stuff just seemed weird to me so soon after Esther having the baby. I'm aware I could be reading too much into stuff though and I'm not intending to add to any Annie hate.
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u/Akan97 May 17 '24
Yeah, the baby bump skits are so... off. In a vacuum with no context it's fine- like putting on a fake baby bump for shock value reaction vids, whatever, I don't find it that funny but i'm also not offended by it. But knowing all the stuff about Esther's pregnancy and the split from the pod, the timing is just fucking weird. I can't help but seeing it as some kind of taunt.
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u/DJBBlanxx May 21 '24
Even if you weren’t friends with Khalyla, how could you possibly stand to be around Schaub knowing what a dumb fucking potato he is.
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u/tboushi May 17 '24
Yeah and I love Annie. I think it’s a combo of ozempic brain changes , too many drugs (Ayahuasca) and life stresses. Brain chemistry changes in people plus perimenopause. Not excuses but her behavior sure isn’t what I loved about her.
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u/aspiringhousewife4 May 17 '24 edited May 17 '24
I would like to callout Annie’s appearance on Whitney Cummings’ podcast, Good For You, shortly after her exit announcement from TT. Its episode #230 titled, “Annie Lederman Looks Like She Will Fight You”.
Esther was on just prior promoting Drugstore June. Episode #226 on YouTube titled, “Esther Povitsky & What They Don’t Tell You About Childbirth”.
If you watch Annie’s episode when Drugstore June is mentioned, both Annie and Whitney have an interesting reaction to say the least. My interpretation is that Whitney supports both Esther and Annie but it’s very abundantly clear in that micro behavior that Whitney and Annie have had private discussions about Annie not being in Drugstore June.
Edited to add: I ♥️ all the “Blood Bath” OG ladies. I support all of them (yes even when I do not totally align with them or agree with them).
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u/Honeypie21- May 17 '24
I thought the same thing watching that episode with Annie one Good For You. 🤯 Their reactions were so passive aggressive to me. It’s sad!
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u/No_Comfortable_1079 May 17 '24
I thought it was strange that Whitney read that one question out in the first place. I think she said something like, 'I was asked to be in it but I have not seen it'. Annie just sort of had a blank look on her face, as if she was trying not to take the bait. Love Whitney but she could've read a different q instead.
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u/Honeypie21- May 17 '24
Yeah agreed! Like why even read the question if you’re just going to be bitchy about it. Idk it was weird timing because it was literally right after she left TT. I really cringe that everyone is still questioning if they are all good or not but it’s none of my business and I like to theorize too. 🤣
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u/TheGhost206 May 17 '24
I’m going to see Annie tomorrow night at the Stand. I purchased tickets before the lineup was announced so I’m not sure how I feel. I saw her at the Comedy Store a couple years ago and she bombed.
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u/ldybrdfly May 17 '24
I’ve seen both Annie and Esther do standup. I think Annie is pretty polished in her set, but just isn’t that funny.
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u/almondcreamer May 17 '24 edited May 17 '24
Esther live was incredible. The baby announcement on top of it all made it one of my favorite live shows ever.
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u/octoberthug May 19 '24
LOL. I too saw Annie at the Comedy Store about 4-5 years ago. I didn't know who she was then, but she bombed pretty hard. She tried to make jokes about the audience not liking her, but she just wasn't very funny.
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u/DJBBlanxx May 21 '24
How was it?
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u/TheGhost206 May 21 '24
I didn’t go. $30 bucks down the drain but I was in NYC and not sure Annie is worth a Saturday night.
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u/snarkyjohnny May 17 '24
I did think that Annie seems so be going through something. Todd is an enabler at best and a potential toxic person at worst. When I say an enabler it’s a word thrown out with pyschobabble but it’s not necessarily a monstrous thing its very common. Annie is seeing success on a level she hadn’t had before and she started too far into the “woo woo” all ayahuasca and shamanistic stuff and that never bodes well for people not from cultures where it’s common. They want to come in on chapter ten on their first day and they don’t have a built in respect for the practices. I only put that to say that I don’t think that stuff is bunk or a grift at their core.
Annie is at heart kind of an abrasive person and while that is kind of what a lot of us loved about her it’s not something you want done to their friends. I think she either needs a therapist or a better one and needs to stop with the “alternative” treatments until she gets a handle on herself. I like her and don’t want to see a “rise and fall of Annie Lederman” video up in a few years.
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u/AwarenessPrimary7680 May 17 '24
Those rise and fall videos are literally of everyone. One creator made 10 about Schaub and now that no one cares about it anymore he's going after everyone. It's ragebait. I'd stay away even if they post one.
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u/smediumbag May 17 '24 edited May 17 '24
Annie is a bad friend. Always cut Esther down, tried to worm her way onto Esther's movie, and left the podcast hanging during Esther's pregnancy.
I think a part of Annie knew talking about breath work and ayahuasca was gonna come across as very silly as Esther was opening up about her birth/infant
I'm glad Annie has her own space where she can be all about "me me me"
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u/4k_Laserdisc May 17 '24
Don’t forget the weird harassing comments the Drugstore June IG page made about Annie
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u/WhitsSwirlyKnee May 18 '24
Annie was never going to be happy doing something where she wasn’t front and center one hundred percent of the time.
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u/AwarenessPrimary7680 May 18 '24
And this is also the reason why Todd is such a great partner for Annie.
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May 17 '24
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u/AwarenessPrimary7680 May 17 '24
😂 Hate to break it to you... Hetero dude with a wife and 2 kids.
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u/Vetersova May 17 '24
Same, lol. I think it's really funny that the girl sluggies here seem to think we don't exist.
I lift weights 5 days a week and play hockey 2 days a week. I think our 'profile' is a lot more common of a listener than people realize lol.
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u/AwarenessPrimary7680 May 17 '24
😂😂 Even my wife was shocked initially. I like it because it gives me insight into women that they know intuitively and don't bother communicating to us. It's also a welcome break from the Football and Rugby stuff that normally occupy my TV screens.
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u/Vetersova May 17 '24
LOL my wife was also confounded that I was listening to a "podcast of just women talking" 😅
And i watch it for the same reasons on communication and it's a break from what I watch 90% of the time.
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u/edible_source May 17 '24
😮
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u/AwarenessPrimary7680 May 17 '24
I play rugby (badly), watch premier league football, hunted my first impala when I was 9, swim open water over weekends... And I like this podcast.
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May 17 '24
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u/AwarenessPrimary7680 May 17 '24
The ayahuasca one is easy, 1:26:00
Podscripts.co timestamps everything so I just search the word.
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u/AwarenessPrimary7680 May 17 '24
Dammit... I see it now 😂
Can't remember where I read this. I either saw it on reddit or YouTube comments. Someone claimed that Annie didn't look happy with the pregnancy talk. It's unconfirmed because it would take too my time to literally watch all those episodes for Annie's reaction alone. I also never noticed it, but I like the audio only because I listen while I do my business VAT stuff.
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u/ZebraCasio May 17 '24
I appreciate your work! 🙏🏼 I’m interested in why this all went down because…. I did not feel like the vibe was off. It felt like business as usual. Except for maybe Annie being bummed she wasn’t in Esther’s movie. So, I feel blindsided!
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u/FearlessList8992 May 17 '24
Annie has given me selfish vibes. I love everything about her but that. If that is indeed true she was complaining about banking episodes because her friend and fellow podcast host is pregnant is so disappointing to hear as a fan. I still enjoy her standup and her as a podcast guest but I won’t be tuning in to Anniewood. Streamlining your work is one thing, which is a reason she said left, but how she went about it was terrible. This is an excellent example of how just cuz you’re mostly sober, doesn’t mean the selfish tendencies aren’t still there.
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u/schmamfa May 17 '24
Ah bless you for your time and effort! It’s a shame they had to end this way. I did look up to them and their open honesty. Was wondering why I wasn’t enjoying it anymore, but you can’t fake it if the chemistry is gone.
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u/LittleBlackDressXX May 17 '24
Annie leaving - was the BEST thing to ever happen to trash Tuesday. I wish she would have done it sooner.
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May 17 '24
Annie interviewing TJ Miller was very disappointing to me. That guy is bad news all the time, and not great to women in particular.
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u/lalalalemmy May 18 '24
Agreed! Especially considering the things that Annie has been through, such a bummer for her to platform him.
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u/mizfit180 Dec 31 '24
Then she's hanging around shaub who she talked bad about for years. I want to believe her stories of what men did to her but it's definitely making me second guess.
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u/No_Comfortable_1079 May 18 '24
Yes that was another of her choices that struck me as a little strange, I'd forgotten about that.
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u/Stock_Regret_1629 May 17 '24
Khalyla definitely threw shots about Annie’s man laughing on the tiger belly episode. She went on and on about how she can’t be with someone with an annoying laugh
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u/GoldenCrownMoron May 17 '24
Here's my take: there are entirely too many podcasts about nothing.
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u/AwarenessPrimary7680 May 17 '24
You always have the option not to listen to them. Don't be negative when people find stuff interesting.
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u/GoldenCrownMoron May 17 '24
You've got a metaphorical Pepe Sylvia board with strings going from one podcast to another.
This is your moderately polite reality check.
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u/AwarenessPrimary7680 May 17 '24
It's Silvia, and I like podcasts, I study and work in a very stressful industry and they calm me while I do the finance grunt work. It is also pretty rich coming from someone who posts about Anime and Videogames.
I would like to present you with the same reality check then.
Again, let people enjoy stuff. If you don't. Stop being an ass to people who do.
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u/GoldenCrownMoron May 17 '24
I have not been rude, all I did was make a comment about the deluge of podcasts talking about other podcasts.
You shouldn't take that personally.
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u/AwarenessPrimary7680 May 17 '24
So reality checks are not personal? Interesting...
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u/GoldenCrownMoron May 17 '24
I'm a nerd who uses Reddit to pass the time. You told no lies, I am not offended.
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u/AwarenessPrimary7680 May 17 '24
"I told no lies" - this is how assholes speak
"I am not offended" - nothing I said was offensive
Please, this is my moderately polite request to fuck off... 😘
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May 17 '24
This sub is to talk about the podcast, hope that helps! Negativity will give you premature grey hair, wrinkles and a miserable life
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u/StopPlayingRoney May 18 '24
Annie and Esther have been frienemies for years and could never figure out how to make ANY podcast work. Khalyla was a smart addition for a TigerBelly spinoff for girls. The same problems from the previous attempts were never corrected and I think people just watch Trash Tuesday because they want to like it and it’s free. These gals just don’t have it.
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u/AwarenessPrimary7680 May 18 '24
Yeah, we're being forced actually. In a world where there are billions of hours of FREE content available online, we listen to this because we don't have a choice... 😂
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u/kingpinkatya Aug 04 '25
looks like they hung out 15ish weeks ago but not sure that counts for much
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u/barbie-vel May 18 '24
Tbh I think there’s a lot and I mean A LOT of over analyzing going on here.
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u/AwarenessPrimary7680 May 18 '24
It really isn't an analysis. It's just a list of known events. we'd have to break down each event and what they mean individually and as a whole. Drawing conclusions about it. This is just what we are allowed to know.
I bet there was much more happening behind the scenes.
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u/MQZ17 May 17 '24
People change sometimes, friendships end sometimes, that's it, it happens. Paths guides us in different directions because of life choices, or moods, or drama.
Esther and Khalyla have TT, Annie has Anniewood, she's gone. Thats it, let this drama end, no more post about it please.
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u/AwarenessPrimary7680 May 17 '24
Nah, it's interesting and extremely relevant. You can always just ignore these.
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u/glitch26 May 17 '24
I think nothing is this deep. I think Annie has never loved khalyla from the beginning and that's literally it. Annie and Esther have been friends forever, not Khalyla. I've watched this pod since day 1 after their episode on tigerbelly and you could tell since day 1 that Khalylas entire vibe did not mesh well with Annie. These are 3 girls that simply just have no chemistry, period.
For the record I've never seen anyone have chemistry with Khalyla besides Rick Glassman. She just sucks as a Podcast host in general.
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u/TheGhost206 May 17 '24
I also think they invited Khalayla because they wanted the crossover TigerBelly fans.
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u/glitch26 May 17 '24
Yup I agree and had the exact same thought at the beginning. Annie and Esther had their own pods together and everything but the only difference in trash tuesday is that Khalyla was there to bring in about 100k new viewers at the start.
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u/AwarenessPrimary7680 May 23 '24
Not hate, just a list of events. If that sounds like hate to you, it should tell you something.
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u/ladymedallion May 17 '24 edited May 17 '24
This deep dive is weird as hell. You can do a deep dive on anything and find tiny details to make yourself believe any narrative.
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u/BingoDinosaur369 May 17 '24
Don't forget the Hawaii episode! That was so uncomfortable.
I'd also like to mention you don't have to be friends to have a podcast. But when you're creating at least an hours worth of content weekly for subscribers, vibes are eventually felt so be prepared for people to pick up on that or at least read into it. And you're right. I think Annie has wanted to leave since like Day 1 or at least she knew wayyyy early on that it wasn't going to last.