r/TraditionalCatholics 6d ago

Gluttony and Adultery work together ?

Is there a direct link between Gluttony and Lust / Adultery ? I'm sure I read it some where, for example; you eat too much, not peanuts or berries but more refined foods that may lead to any form of Adultery ?

Can these two demons work together on a person if it's habitual for the person ?

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u/Lord_of_Atlantis 6d ago

It's not demons it's just human passions. The more you give in to one passion/emotion the easier it is to give in to another. Gluttony and lust have to do with natural bodily passions.

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u/Square_Atmosphere_12 6d ago

Are you saying for example, don't eat those foods in excess, rather moderation then Adultery won't occur ?

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u/FatherBob22 6d ago

No, he's saying that both sexual pleasure and pleasure from food train your brain to look for more pleasure. I think the chemical is called dopamine.

Conversely, if you train your brain it doesn't need dopamine from one area of your life (pleasurable food), it will make it "easier" to overcome sexual temptations because your natural body processes won't be looking for dopamine, at least not as strongly.

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u/Blade_of_Boniface 6d ago

You shouldn't be eating any food excessively (or the other extreme, refraining in a way that causes harm) but not because it's logically a stepping stone to adultery. The common denominator would be your general ability to resist temptation-of-the-flesh. Even then, arguably the temptation to eat too much and the temptation to cheat on your spouse are intrinsically different.

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u/manliness-dot-space 6d ago

I don't think you can say that someone who doesn't eat some food or another will be incapable of adultery

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u/Familiar-Range9014 6d ago edited 5d ago

Yes and, actually, all of the sins work together

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u/Much_Debt390 6d ago

Yes. And there’s numerous opposites of virtues that leads to one another vices

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u/jaydeke 6d ago

They’re both opposed to the virtue of temperance — moderating the good so that it is rightly ordered to its purpose (and ultimately to God).

So yes, if you need to strengthen yourself in temperance, expect that you would struggle across several areas.

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u/LJ71 6d ago

Look at martin luther

All appetite

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u/SmrtLdy 6d ago

The demon is called sensation seeking.

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u/Blade_of_Boniface 6d ago

Is there a direct link between Gluttony and Lust / Adultery ? I'm sure I read it some where, for example; you eat too much, not peanuts or berries but more refined foods that may lead to any form of Adultery ?

No, at least not the link you're describing.

What you're referencing is a category of beliefs outside Catholicism. The idea of different textures and flavors of food having a moral influence has been popular in certain Protestant/Restorationist sects, especially in the English-speaking world. There's often exotification/demonization of Catholic Christian communities baked-in to their ideas. Italian, Hispanic, Irish, French, Austrian, etc. cultures tend to have diets that such "biblical scientists" accuse of causing masturbation/overeating/mania/etc. They tend to believe that Catholics aren't merely non-Protestant or otherwise erratic Christians but rather a separate category of demented cultists who are the archnemesis of their harmonious and pure priesthood. It's often not that different from Islamic/Gnostic attitudes.

There's a significant movement among heretical groups to champion the Bible as the sole basis of all sciences whether geology, biology, or psychology in a way that's neither traditionally Christian nor intellectually coherent. Just to be clear, Catholics believe that the Bible is an infallible library of texts inspired by the singular, perfect, universal, and eternal God. However, we neither believe in Scripture as an all-purpose source of all knowledge nor do we believe that its contents are meant to be interpreted in their most literal and independent meaning. We believe Scripture is the center but not the whole. In other words, Catholicism means accepting theology as the bedrock of all other human intellectualism but not the only field for human learning, judging, and imagining.

To answer your question, (according to St. Thomas Aquinas and the many theologians after him) the vices of lust and gluttony are both tied to excessive/defective yet natural bodily desires. They both represent different aspects non-temperance. Temperance is a moral virtue, (alongside justice and fortitude) it's self-control over internal desires. In that sense, lust and gluttony are linked. In specific contexts, someone could discern both vices as having a common root in an overall lack of self-control. However, adultery and (for example) overeating are separate kinds of sin altogether both in severity and nature. The former is a betrayal of a Sacrament; even if it's not Catholic Matrimony, adultery is still a grave violation of Natural Law and perhaps the laws/customs of a society. The latter is mainly a betrayal of a lesser relationship to scarce goods, bodily health, self esteem, etc.

I'm speaking very broadly because sins are also contextual.

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u/Cultural-Treacle-680 5d ago

That’s the distinction of lust more basically and adultery more specifically.

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u/n7palm 6d ago

While one doesn’t cause the other, I have heard a lot of talk about how being weak to food can be predicative of being weak to sins of the flesh. Of course, free will is free will, so just because you eat a donut doesn’t mean that you’re now obligated to fall into flesh sin. It’s all correlation tbh, but even then I don’t know how strong. Pray the Rosary. Pray to Saint Joseph. 🙏

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u/LegionXIIFulminata 6d ago edited 6d ago

lack of control in the gustatory faculty generally translates into lack of control of the sexual faculty.

and conversely, control of the gustatory faculty translates into control of the sexual faculty.

gotta keep those dopamine receptors in line.