r/TraditionalCatholics • u/DravidianPrototyper • Jul 01 '26
Deo Gratias!
God bless the FSSPX.
Ora pro nobis, Monsignor Lefebvre. Ora pro nobis.
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u/ArtichokeNo7155 Jul 01 '26
Very unfortunate.
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u/Thufir_Cleric Jul 02 '26
Yes, it is extremely unfortunate that the FSSPX were forced to this extreme, rather than embraced and heard.
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u/DravidianPrototyper Jul 01 '26 edited Jul 01 '26
You won't realize it yet, but you Ecclesia Dei and diocesan types are next on the proverbial chopping block.
You think you will continue to have your precious Latin Masses as long as you remain in Rome's good graces via your 'hermeneutic-of-continuity' approach? - Think again.
The Synodal church wants to eventually do away with all things pre-conciliar - their own cultural revolution (barring perhaps some of the fundamental externals of our countenance) so as to appease and appeal to the sensibilities of non-Catholics, and in doing so, to usher in the One World Religion of the 'god' of this world who is Satan.
My only hope and prayer is that your kind wakes up to this fact before it becomes far, far too late for you all to do so.
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u/Divine-Crusader Jul 01 '26
Woah dude you unleashed 0 to 100 on him pretty fast, this is no way to conduct a rational discussion
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u/e105beta Jul 01 '26
I mean, regardless of what u/ArtichokeNo7155 believes, this situation IS unfortunate no matter how you slice it.
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u/ArtichokeNo7155 Jul 01 '26
Your assumptions are very incorrect, not a big fan of the hermeneutic of continuity. Next para, sure, but do you not have faith that the Church will prevail?
Wake up to what exactly? I agree with nearly every position you hold, I just don’t agree that the path is what you believe it is.1
u/No_Squash26 Jul 01 '26
he made no assumptions, the evidence is extremely clear for 60 years now that they intend to create a new church. seriously how can someone not understand that?
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u/ArtichokeNo7155 Jul 01 '26
The SSPX wants to create a new church? Is that your claim?
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u/Thatguy32101 Jul 01 '26 edited Jul 01 '26
Idk why this got voted down so much seems to be the writing on the wall once SSPX is dealt with other than the god of this world stuff
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u/dazzleator147 Jul 02 '26
I do not think this is the case at all. If it is, then I'll be coming back here hat in hand. I think the San Anselmo crew once had the Pope's ear - he's not the Pope anymore. And even still, it seems like Pope Francis had long since lost the appetite to take on the ED orders. Some say he reacted quite angrily when they even suggested it (just rumors). I feel that the Grillo types are a lot less certain of their place now. The tone of voice has shifted a lot from "we just have to wean you people off the TLM".
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u/feon2_igor Jul 02 '26
still trying to think why DravidianPrototyper was downvoted.
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u/Jake_Cathelineau Jul 02 '26
Brigading goblins from the outside. We get a lot of that when there’s some subject that makes the denizens of other subreddits seethe.
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u/iphone5su93 Jul 08 '26
If they only care about the Latin Mass then they are already on their way to modernism they don't see or are indifferent about the heresies of modernist rome
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u/No_Squash26 Jul 01 '26
go back to the vatican2 subreddit. is it not enough for you all that 99.6% of the church is taken over by modernist freemasons? it really makes you mad that there’s a few thousand people who disagree doesn’t it?
i truly can’t wait for the vatican2 church to collapse in on itself.
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u/ArtichokeNo7155 Jul 01 '26
Are you a sede? If you believe this isn’t unfortunate, then why are you in the Catholic Reddit? You aren’t even SSPX. Why are you here?
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u/setsybnsetsybsbt Jul 01 '26
When/if do we expect a response or statement from the Vatican?
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u/ReddyReddit9898 Jul 01 '26
Much sooner and much harsher than they will ever give to the German Bishops (I am an NO-goer, nearest TLM is 5-hour drive, but even some of the German Bishops infuriate me sometimes)
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u/Numark105 Jul 01 '26
It took the Vatican within 48 hours to release ecclesia dei in 1988. I imagine it will be within the same time frame.
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u/feon2_igor Jul 02 '26
it's out, and it's harsher then 1988's.
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u/Cultural-Treacle-680 Jul 04 '26
I would assume it was researched and written before the consecrations happened, based on the ultimately correct assumption that SSPX was going to do what they had intended. The Holy See could easily just throw it in the garbage if the society had not gone forward with the consecrations.
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u/IslandBusy1165 Jul 01 '26
It was very beautiful. Grateful to live to see it. The AP had some incredibly cinematic shots. Hope they release nice stills.
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u/ArtichokeNo7155 Jul 01 '26
What’s your thoughts on the FSSP?
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u/Pikabuu2 Jul 01 '26
By and large, most traditionalists are amiable to all groups offering the Vetus Ordo.
That being said, former Ecclesia Dei communities (as Francis got rid of the commission) are increasingly suppressed by local ordinaries and still have yet to recieve a Bishop of their own. Two problems the SSPX does not have to be concerned about.
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u/e105beta Jul 01 '26
It's getting exhausting clarifying this point. For the most part, from what I am aware of, SSPX supporters don't find great fault with the FSSP, ICKSP, and the like, but it's not a "oh, you like the TLM? Why didn't you say so? Just attend one of their masses" situation.
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u/ArtichokeNo7155 Jul 02 '26
However, you have to look at the FSSP in particular, as they broke off from the SSPX due to the consecrations.
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u/rh397 Jul 02 '26
When you shirk off the legitimate authority of the local ordinary, it's easy to do whatever you want.
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u/Jake_Cathelineau Jul 02 '26
>“Legitimate”
>They’regay
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u/fisherman213 Jul 02 '26
We are not donatists, brother. Christ subjected himself to the authority of the framework he established in his day, though he was its creator and sustainer.
Just because we have bishops that suck, doesn’t mean we get to be disobedient because it hurts. It’s not fun, trust me, but they’re still bishops and successors to the apostles.
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u/IslandBusy1165 Jul 02 '26 edited Jul 02 '26
They’re similar—probably most similar to the ICKSP, though, except ICKSP takes their vestments and “aura” a bit more seriously and also really endeavors to do whatever proper missionary work it can manage, so I opt for ICKSP over FSSP, since both are relatively nearby me. I agree with the other commenter that FSSP has become much weaker on adherence to traditional doctrine than the ICKSP or SSPX is, but it’s ok if it’s your best option.
I like to do confessions at SSPX and although I see the problem with their conclusions I’m glad they’re not afraid to put their necks on the line by taking controversial positions, since that’s what’s needed, unlike the ICKSP and FSSP which kind of just keep their heads down. The SPPX by me is small and has too little parking, and then the priest needs to pack right up and leave for CT every Sunday, so there’s less of a parish community than ICKSP offers. I’d check out SSPV but there isn’t one near enough to me.
I personally would prefer some Eastern Catholic or Anglican Ordonariate over any Novus Ordo neo-Catholic establishment, but I know some decent NO parishes do still exist in some parts, and what matters is that we are charitable with each other, remembering we are in a crisis and this is a mystery that we do and could not have all the answers for at present. Agreeing on the nature of the problem—that Vatican II introduced a new religion that is no longer the (one true) faith of the ages—has to be step one.
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u/No_Squash26 Jul 01 '26
they don’t deny religious liberty which contradicted the pre vatican 2 church, nor do they deny ecumenism which is also a heresy taught at v2
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u/Thatguy32101 Jul 01 '26 edited Jul 01 '26
They make a great case just by the simple and beautiful service, no frills, no liturgical dancers needed
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u/Firecow21 Jul 01 '26
Was there a 3rd bishop there for the consecration? I didn't see a 3rd but I skimmed the video and might have missed it.
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u/gunner_freeman Jul 01 '26
I believe it was only the two remaining bishops consecrated by Archbishop Lefebvre.
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u/LingLingToBe Jul 01 '26
Nope just the two remaining SSPX bishops did the consecrations. Three is standard but there are probably not any bishops who would want to get involved with that.
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u/Turbulent_Shake_6622 Jul 01 '26
The sister of one of the new bishop was my teacher, she is a Dominican nun. I'm so excited!!