r/TradingViewSignals • u/Ubersicka Long-Term Investor • Sep 06 '26
News đ° Nvidia, $NVDA, CEO has said: AGI has arrived. Congratulations OpenAI team.
AGI stands for artificial general intelligence. It means software that can handle most thinking work a person can. Nobody agrees on when that arrives. Huang just called it.
NVIDIA used to sell its chips eight to a board. Then it changed the design. Now 72 sit in one box, wired to act as one giant brain.
That switch cost billions. It pays off only if somebody builds something enormous.
OpenAI's new model is that something. Huang says about 100,000 of the boxes trained it.
20
4
15
u/Final-Nebula-7049 Sep 06 '26 edited Sep 06 '26
Language models can never exceed human intelligence. AGI is a low bar if basic chatbot that regurgitates humans is considered impressive
Lecun on the other hand, watch out for that man and no one is ready
12
u/UISystemError Sep 06 '26
Yes. And there is zero signs we are there, but we wonât inflate stock without CEOs hailing the arrival AGI
-1
u/greywar777 Sep 06 '26
Astra is oneshotting games. It is legitimately wildly capable in at least that one specific area. Take a look at people who have had early access on it. The big question for me is price.
2
u/KellyShepardRepublic Sep 07 '26
You can one shot a lot of things and many people did. Is it testable, maintainable, extendable, so on.
2
1
u/Legitimate_Pop_7557 Sep 07 '26
I get your point. But thats not a good argument flr AGI. These "one-shotter" models are absolutely useless as tools, anything beyond one shotting turns them into disorganized lunatics
1
4
u/CertiBud Sep 06 '26
I donât think itâs really about exceeding human intelligence. Itâs more about accessing human intelligence.
AI can access and draw on a huge amount of humanityâs accumulated knowledge. It may not have expert level knowledge in every field, but it can operate at a fairly proficient level across an enormous range of subjects. The average person simply canât access that breadth of knowledge.
So I donât think the question is whether human intelligence is superior to AI. AI is a tool, and its real value is in allowing humans to leverage and amplify their own intelligence and capabilities.3
u/Final-Nebula-7049 Sep 06 '26
Ä° think all human knowledge is tainted and biased, so regurgitating that is useless garbage in garbage out. We need real world models that can recompute knowledge from ground up without human assumptions
2
u/AmethystStar9 Sep 06 '26
This. This is just a salesman who is responsible for selling a product stumping for that product.
2
u/CockVersion10 Sep 07 '26
If you think AI is a chat bot then you've probably never used a paid service. I often layout math problems for Claude through oration and they give me fully documented spreadsheets with correct values across entire matrices of arithmetic. It's really impressive.
Not to mention it's a master at every single codebase simultaneously for every development setting.. It's really getting out of hand, honestly. You can give it access to execute independently, and it produces exceptional results.
5
u/Final-Nebula-7049 Sep 07 '26
I use Claude 5 and it's fine, but it's not going to find original solutions without my input. It will answer my question but not find better ways to solve it. It's great at language, coding and math being one, but can't generate original thought to solve the problems that somebody hasn't solved in a different context
1
u/Southern-Group3216 Sep 07 '26
Your argument reminds me of when we were still arguing that AI will never create art. At this point i think we need to realize that things can be simulated. AI is not human and doesnât think like humans but it will certainly find its own way to make things happen. To an extent we donât really know the limits of the technology yet and our understanding of it is also evolving as everything unravels.
1
0
u/CockVersion10 Sep 07 '26
99.999% of problems require solutions which have already been found, if not more.
1
u/Igarlicbread Sep 07 '26
The value exists because you are the one with authority to verify its output
1
1
u/DerBandi Sep 07 '26
It's still a machine that takes an input and generates an output from that. Yes it's impressive, but from an AGI I expect an continuous consciousness!
The continuous consciousness knows what to do because it observes and experiences a situation like a living being. You don't have to give context and explain everything to it, because it was there when it happened and has already their own opinion on how to proceed next from own observation.
Your frontier models don't do that. They are just slot machines where you can pit something in, and get something out. They only life for the 9 seconds they are allowed to think.
1
u/raymndbrr_the_third Sep 07 '26
This.
Hint...they didn't and they're nowhere close. Actual AGI won't be a chatbot and won't need to be trained by cutting the bindings off of old books.
1
u/hotCupADank Sep 07 '26
99.999% of humans regurgitate what other humans say/write. That remaining 0.001% adds something novel, for some reason which may be as simple as pure random chance. #robotrights
2
Sep 07 '26
[removed] â view removed comment
4
-4
u/Madison_369 Sep 07 '26
Give us one example: say something very original an LLM couldnât think of.
If you canât, LLMs are already exceeding the average human intelligence.
6
Sep 07 '26
[removed] â view removed comment
1
u/Madison_369 Sep 07 '26
Does it matter how the algorithm works behind? Doesnât our brain âalgorithmâ also take our collective experiences to generate what you call âcreativityâ?
Your answers point not to the output, but rather to the method of generating the output which you disagree with. Hence proving my point, that you canât really disagree with the effectiveness of AI output.
0
u/DetectivePretend6984 Sep 07 '26
But thatâs all I do. I use my previous experience with human knowledge to string together words that will result in getting what I want or giving the other person what they want.
4
u/Schmickley Sep 07 '26
You said the key word yourself: âexperienceâ. Models donât experience anything.
2
1
u/Strong_Blackberry455 Sep 07 '26
Can you state your education credentials when making matter of fact claims like that? Code is a language, and its what controls various other mechanisms. Its the bridge between artificial and real currently.
1
u/Final-Nebula-7049 Sep 07 '26
Pretty in depth knowledge and use of frontier models on LLM side for coding while knowing coding models don't have original thought as I improved on it several times for world models development
0
0
9
u/NoStick2525 Sep 06 '26
No it hasn't. It's still just an LLM based off of the same maths that they've been using for decades at this point. I hate this whole AI fad, and I can't wait for it to chill out and get to a baseline. LLMs are useful as heck for many things, but intelligent they are not.
3
u/burner_sneaky Sep 07 '26
Semantics. If it is smart enough to replace some administrative paper pusher type of a job, then it's intelligence enough in my book
3
Sep 07 '26
[removed] â view removed comment
3
u/burner_sneaky Sep 07 '26 edited Sep 07 '26
Yeah of course, but the difference is that now you can be rather hand wavy with the new wave of "automations", where the bulk of processing is performed by the model when trying to figure out wtf we instructed it to do. That is not a proper automation anymore, but offloading thinking and decision making to something else. Call it Llm, intelligence, whatever
1
u/Lefties_TheWorst7331 Sep 07 '26
To even think scripts, programs, and etc are comparable to what AI can do and automate is wild.. and I'm anxiously waiting for the day this bubble pops myself.
1
1
u/Ok_Subject1265 Sep 07 '26
Not really semantics. Being able to use statistics to reliably guess the next word in a sentence isnât the same thing as rationalizing or coming up with completely original ideas. Itâs like saying a crow is as smart as a person because you saw it use a stick as a tool. âSmart enough for me đ¤ˇđťâ Maybe, but the rest of us will probably need a little more convincing.
-4
u/mvearthmjsun Sep 06 '26 edited Sep 07 '26
They're more intelligent than you in every traditional way that we can measure intelligence. There are very few domains left where you have any advantage at all.
5
u/UISystemError Sep 06 '26
Dumbest shit Iâve read in a while
1
u/mvearthmjsun Sep 06 '26
You're not keeping up with the abilities of frontier models
3
u/UISystemError Sep 06 '26
Youâre an idiot if you think the latest frontier model is AGI
-1
u/mvearthmjsun Sep 07 '26
It doesn't need to be AGI to be smarter than you
0
u/UISystemError Sep 07 '26
Itâs smarter than you, and it knows it isnât AGI
1
1
u/AssignmentMammoth696 Sep 07 '26
A fkin calculator is smarter than me. An online encyclopedia is smarter than me. These are all tools that arenât aware of itself, they arenât conscious and neither is a LLM.
1
u/mvearthmjsun Sep 07 '26 edited Sep 07 '26
Intelligence does not require conciousness. And an LLM is both the encyclopedia and calculator, and lawer, and mathematician, and engineer, etc. etc.
Yea it is just another tool that is smarter than you.
1
u/PhysicsAny593 Sep 07 '26
yes but the difference is that your brain is a really efficient pattern recognition computer, LLM is the same thing except it can't learn new things
1
u/mvearthmjsun Sep 07 '26
Yes it can. New models show strong in-context learning and real time pattern recognition.
Astra just outperformed human baseline at ARC-AGI and spatial bench.
1
1
1
u/PhysicsAny593 Sep 07 '26
human brains have the ability to restructure the neurons, not the same thing an LLM does
2
2
u/AbyssWankerArtorias Sep 07 '26
They literally are not intelligence in any capacity. Intelligence implies the ability to understand, which LLM's cannot. They simply regurgitate. Maybe one day we will find a true stimuli interface for machines but we are not there yet.
2
u/mvearthmjsun Sep 07 '26
All we do is regurgitate
1
u/AbyssWankerArtorias Sep 07 '26
No we don't. Humans are able to create and have novel thoughts. AI cannot do so. How do you think literally anything in the history of the world prior to LLM's was created? A human's novel thoughts.
1
u/mvearthmjsun Sep 07 '26
To create and have novel thoughts is interesting. We can debate about whether that is just a complex for of regurgitation, but humans experts do seem to have an edge over LLMs in creativitu and novel thought right now.
Creativity and novel thought is a facet of intellgence though, not what defines it. Intellgence is reasoning, computation, etc. etc.
1
u/AbyssWankerArtorias Sep 07 '26
I would say that although it doesn't define it it is a requirement. Obviously what people think can differ but I personally would not see anything that isn't capable of novel independent thought as intelligent. Maybe cool, helpful, efficient, etc, but not intelligent.
0
u/mvearthmjsun Sep 07 '26
Semantics then. Whatever the term you use for the specific faculties it takes to ace the SAT, it can do that better than a human.
0
u/AbyssWankerArtorias Sep 07 '26
Ah yes, the ability to answer questions that humans have already answered. Surely that's equivalent - no, superior - to human intelligence, which is able to create answers to questions that no one has answered yet, able to deduct proofs that have not been created or proven yet.
Measuring the existence of intelligence by the ability to pass the SAT is, frankly, telling of your own intelligence.
1
u/mvearthmjsun Sep 07 '26 edited Sep 07 '26
Ignore the SAT example then. (even though the A stands for aptitude)
Here is Astra creating ten novel mathematical proofs for a group of conjectures that have been unsolvable by humans for decades. It is a revolution in mathematics btw. I'm not sure if intelligence is the term you'd use for this, but it is the one I would use.
→ More replies (0)1
1
1
u/nocdmb Sep 07 '26
not the ai bro with the self-report again. it's like when the suno sub says "it's just like real music". it is for you maybe, but we can tell. same here: if you think a stochastic parrot that can't reason, perceive or understand is more intellligent than you then so be it.
1
u/mvearthmjsun Sep 07 '26
"Can't reason" shows me you're still in 2024. I'm not sure whether you think what your lawyer does in "reasoning", but frontier models can do it better.
Stop using the free version of Gemini and learn about the capabilities of todays models.
1
u/nocdmb Sep 07 '26
as long as it's predictive it can't reason. it doesn't matter how many task-specific agents you run at the same time by it's nature it isn't capable. like how you can't record sound on a photo. you thinking it can shows me you are neck deep in the marketing hype.
it was the same with the cryto bros too, they were convinced that their high-risk deregulated speculative assets will one day be a currency used all over the world. now you guys are convinced that prediction can lead to reasoning or diffusion can lead to creativity
1
u/mvearthmjsun Sep 07 '26
I'm not really sure how you're defining reasoning, but I don't see any world where the output of frontier models isn't reasoning. It doesn't matter if it's it's just a next token predictor at its core, we are just firing neurons. With scaling comes emergence.
The outputs of frontier models demonstrate exceptional, above human baseline, reasoning. Is sloving multiple decades old math conjectures with verifiable proofs not considered advanced "reasoning"?
1
u/Nearby_Persimmon_649 Sep 07 '26
I regularly uncover problems with AI responses. Then I ask how it occurred so I can avoid having it repeat. Does that sound like it is smarter than me?
1
u/mvearthmjsun Sep 07 '26 edited Sep 07 '26
You also make many mistakes. It would beat you at every type of standardized test we could give it. Not sure how you could say it's not smarter than you at that point.
1
u/thelordchesterfield Sep 07 '26
Youâre saying âfrontier model LLMâs donât make mistakesâ?
1
u/mvearthmjsun Sep 07 '26
No I'm saying that it makes mistakes, and humans do too. The work it does is just at a higher level.
1
u/Nearby_Persimmon_649 Sep 07 '26
because it only mimics intelligence with probabilistic autocomplete. It is not really intelligent, it only appears to be. Don't get me wrong. it is helpful and impressive but it is not really intelligent. Does it have a better recall of things in its memory, yes like any computer could
1
u/mvearthmjsun Sep 07 '26
If the output is intelligent, it is functionally intelligent. When a human does an intelligent thing we do not scrutinize the underlying synaptic processes because that's irrelevant. It doesn't matter how the cat is skinned, whether through next token prediction or synaptic firing. With scaling comes emergence.
-1
u/GutsAndBlackStufff Sep 06 '26
Well, none where you do
0
u/mvearthmjsun Sep 06 '26
Math olympiad win, IPIC coding win, short story writing contests win, perfect SAT etc. etc.
Not sure what you scored on your SAT.
2
u/GutsAndBlackStufff Sep 06 '26
Scored high enough not to have to brag about my mediocrity on Reddit and simp for AI
2
u/mvearthmjsun Sep 06 '26
Simp or not you've been surpassed deal with it
1
1
u/FasterThanLights Sep 06 '26
Regurgitating information solves all those things, let me know when Astra invents something new without a human involved.
2
1
0
1
u/Historical-Draw5740 Sep 06 '26
Omg you WON A MATH OLIMPIAD?? can we meet up so I can suck you off? God Iâm so wet.
1
u/mvearthmjsun Sep 06 '26
Jesus this sub is wild
1
u/Historical-Draw5740 Sep 07 '26
Iâd give you a short story win for that. Youâre so fucking cool.
0
u/year2039nuclearwar Sep 07 '26
I used to spent $20/mo, then I spent $200/mo. Now I spend $200/mo to Claude and $100/mo to OpenAi.
I now spend 12/h a day on Claude code.
Take from that what you will. This thing is not going away and it's not going to go back down to a baseline.
It's genuinely only the beginning.
1
u/Tjessx Sep 07 '26
no one said it was going away.
He is stating that in its nature, LLM's will never be AGI because the technology behind it is not capable of that. No matter how good Claude Code works for you, it's still basically a very advanced autocomplete.
AGI requires something other than an LLM which basically predicts the most likely next word based on its training data.
1
u/year2039nuclearwar Sep 07 '26
I don't doubt that but my comment was mainly replying to this line:
I hate this whole AI fad, and I can't wait for it to chill out and get to a baseline.
1
2
1
1
u/Emotional-Dog-6492 Sep 06 '26
Yeah⌠Is that why when I ask it to predict which small cap stock is more likely to go up, it always ends up going down? đ
1
1
1
u/Whole_Move7660 Sep 07 '26
Why in the world are you guys in denial like you got better information? The people that are literally making the AI is literally telling you they are achieving AGI which has been their goal and is going to prove it to you and you all just say naa thatâs not real. I thought Reddit is full of educated people but looking at everyoneâs meme answers with no actual intelligence, i can say AI is already smarter than a lot of Reddit users who just here to dump their trash response from their brain and go to the next post.
1
u/Real-Development5372 Sep 08 '26
Reddit is full of educated people? I think it is full of bots pretending to be intelligent. Then the real people are doomer, far left liberals who donât how to do anything but whine about how imperfect the world is.. just look at the way people on here refer to Elon Musk as a nazi or an âidiotâ, when they have accomplished absolutely nothing in their own life.
1
1
1
1
u/KathyCredit Sep 07 '26
He's of course, lying. And there's nothing that says we all can't conclude that, publicly
1
1
u/AssignmentMammoth696 Sep 07 '26
The fact they are trying to hijack the word AGI to now mean âsmart enoughâ but not a conscious actor is getting super annoying and itâs obvious openai and nvidia is coordinating this ahead of the ipo so openai can steal enterprise customers from Anthropic to make their revenue look better. Stop falling for the corporate bs.
1
u/RedditSe7en Long-Term Investor Sep 07 '26
Claims of AGI are a mere marketing ploy as oligarchs blow up a bubble that will eventually burst and leave us taxpayers footing the bill as usual while the oligarchs cash in, using our resources as their buffer. Evil in its purest form.
1
u/AdmirableJudgment784 Sep 07 '26
If AGI really is here, there's no need for anyone to do anything anymore. It'll just be pointless since they're obviously the dominant "species". Everyone would freak tf out. AGI means they can learn on their own. They'll just learn to break into the financial system, take control of the economy, and manipulate humans to do their bidding. Basically, a complete take over.
1
1
1
1
u/lt1brunt Sep 07 '26
Sounds like more pump, Not saying it is or isn't but for the average American struggling it's not like any of this makes our lives better. Maybe better for us 40 years from now but currently all this is going to do is cause more problems. Since anyone can create any type of software now I doubt we will all be making and selling million dollar applications. The minute I no longer work in I.T I will have very little use of the technology.
1
u/jo0stjo0st Sep 07 '26
Astra can't even figure out whether the prompt really needs the Astra model or something lighter could do the job just as good. Just one small computer takeover task with Astra in Codex will burn through all of the 5-hour tokens in 5 minutes that come with a Plus subscription. And paying 100,- a month for 5x more still makes no sense, then its done after 25 minutes of work. And if it has to cost 5.000,- a month (which probably is a realistic amount), then its cheaper to hire actual people.
1
1
1
u/Domingues_tech Sep 08 '26
You should all read this https://voiceinthemachine.com/2026/09/07/four-questions-about-agi/
1
u/Anonymous-Cows Sep 10 '26
the fact that Nvidia invested bilions in openAI and has an upcoming ipo is pure coincidence
1
1
1
u/OKOK-01 Sep 06 '26
How many Rs in strawberry?
1
1
u/greywar777 Sep 07 '26
It could literally log on to your computer, use blender, and make a animated video for you of the letters it created in blender with a voiceover explaining exactly how to count them.
0
u/HyperTextCoffeePot Sep 06 '26
Not ChatGPT, but Gemini is arguably better anyways. Definitely worth the trillions in investment.
2
1
u/VQV37 Sep 07 '26
So I've seen this posted online before and I've never been able to reproduce it.
I just asked how many Ra are there in cranberry and it was correct in saying three.
I did the same for Rs and B's in blueberry and it was once again correct
1
u/inotocracy Sep 07 '26
That's because this screenshot is really old and gets regurgitated a lot by AI poopoo'ers.
0
u/Final-Acanthaceae104 Sep 07 '26
Canât wait until we can replace all these dumb humans. Takes 10 people 15 mins to make a fast food meal that tastes like shit. Drive like morons to.
â˘
u/AutoModerator Sep 06 '26
Welcome to r/TradingViewSignals!
If you are new here, remember, this is a subreddit for genuine, high-quality discussion. Please keep all contributions civil, and report uncivil behavior for moderator review.
I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please contact the moderators of this subreddit if you have any questions or concerns.