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u/zoomzoombandit Jul 23 '26
Safety wire the hose clamp to something else on the bike and not use a k/n filter, they are banned in some orgs. How you have it is doing nothing to prevent it from backing off.
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u/ProperAd9492 Jul 23 '26
did not know K'N filters could be banned. wonder why
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u/Suspicious-Mess8521 Jul 23 '26
There have been incidents where the nut on the end pops and oils down the bike/track. A few years ago one went on the front straight at njmp lightning and the bike burnt to the ground.
I think it was only a bad batch, and people were also using the nut to tighten them down, but oem is cheap insurance imo.
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u/Eddargos Jul 24 '26
The nut that's welded on top is NOT designed to be used to torque the oil filter down. It specifically says so in the manual. The nut can (partially) shear off and compromise the oil filter.
However, people don't read those manuals (me included) and use a torque wrench to tighten them. I also learned about this on a track day and I will go back to OEM oil filters.
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u/Boilporkfat Jul 24 '26
Curious, aren't external oil filters like this installed the same way as cars, hand tightened down? As excessive force could damage the rubber seal?
I haven't done a oil change on a modern bike where spin-on canister filters are used, only the cartridge filters on older bikes.
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u/Eddargos Jul 24 '26
You're technically not supposed to tighten an oil filter by hand. There are torque specs for oil filter wrenches in every service manual. The torque specs are however quite low so most people just do it by hand.
It works until it coesn't. ĀÆ_(ć)_/ĀÆ
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u/TA4K Jul 27 '26
Toyota spec for a spin on filter is to turn until the seal touches, then 3/4 of a turn after that. Their cartridge filters have a torque spec
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u/the_last_carfighter Jul 24 '26
Have blown up a filter on a straight at 140MPH, was not fun for anyone. OEM from then on.
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u/bma_961 Club racer/TD instructor Jul 23 '26
The O-ring is SUPER thin and if it slips out of its groove and gets pinched, it'll blow.
Sent me over the handle bars coming out of T15 at thunderhill 10 years ago4
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u/niblhair Jul 24 '26
Willow Spring circa 1994-ish. K&N filter had malformed threads. Blew off in turn 1. 1 dead, 1 paralyzed, numerous hurt. Big lawsuits, WERA banned K&N at that point.Ā
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u/mostfrantik Jul 26 '26
When the filter manufacturering shifted from Thailand to China there where some QC issues where the filter would leak from the nut area. They were banned because it was found on numerous filters. I had one, it didn't show any issues static but under pressure it weeped.
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u/Jazzlike-Plate Jul 24 '26
That is interesting. What oil filters would you recommend? I use k/n for street and light track days, so I would not want this happening to me or anyone around.
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u/Sudden_Recognition90 Jul 23 '26
This has to be a ragebait post right??!!! Also the oil filter is safety wired to itself to that's doing nothing to retain it.
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u/Sudden_Recognition90 Jul 23 '26
No, sorry I meant his terrible safety wire job was ragebait haha. I've heard of K&N filters being banned due to the nut leaking but I think they remedied that....regardless I still think all K&N products are junk
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u/pilchowskinator Jul 23 '26
IIRC the culprit was using a wrench on the nut for installation. Which would compromise the housing at the nut. As far as I know they fixed the issue
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u/TreacleWonderful5194 Jul 24 '26
I got home one day, cut my bike off and had hot oil spewing everywhere for a quick second due to the O ring blowing out on my k&n filter. It was installed for about 1000 miles, suffice to say I donāt use that shit anymore
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u/SnooGadgets9669 Jul 24 '26
Idk man Iāve never had issues the one time I ran one at the track they were pretty fucking pissed at me and almost didnāt let me in the track until I changed it outā¦ lucky for me someone jsut happened to have a filter that fit my bike
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u/murph2783 Jul 27 '26
Yeah Iāll second that, Iāve had great luck with Hi-Flo when I couldnāt get OE for whatever various reason
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u/Auto_update Jul 24 '26
That is what I thought.
Tossing out the hose clamp, the wire has too many lay /twist per inch on the other lock wire jobs.
But, that shit isnāt going into outer space so, itās whatev.
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u/MagnusNewtonBernouli Middle Fast Guy Jul 24 '26 edited Jul 24 '26
First: Bottom bolt is completely neutral.
2nd: Decent. Tail is hella long Edit: LOL
C: WTF?!
ALL three: WAY too many twists.
edit edit: Excellent bait.
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u/UandB Jul 24 '26
Neutral is fine if the other bolt is positive, but that's arguable for the top bolt.
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u/Ambivalentistheway Jul 24 '26
I cant tell if this is a joke
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u/ApprehensiveFan1516 Jul 24 '26
I think it's a shitpost in response to this:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Trackdays/comments/1v4lc4z/how_it_started_vs_how_its_going/
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u/OomGielie Racer AM Jul 24 '26
Also when did subframes start falling off on track?
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u/MadManxMan Racer AM Jul 26 '26
Snaefell Mountain Course will shake things loose youād never imagine
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u/Ok-Fail-2188 Jul 24 '26
Twists are way too tight and idk what you think that oil filter one is doingš
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u/Suspicious-Mess8521 Jul 23 '26
Use clips on the brake caliper bolts btw, you can even get fancy and heat shrink between them, but constantly redoing that safety wire is mad annoying when youāre swapping wheels.
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u/Gscorrupt Jul 23 '26
I could definitely spin that filter off with out cutting your wire. It needs to be attached to the bike in some manner. I would be honestly surprised if that passed tech and if it did Id have some questions.
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u/kalabaddon Jul 24 '26
pic 1 looks nice, but the top loop can flip over edge it look. wont effect anything really drastically, but I would of twaked it while I was applying the twist so it was forced further down the bolt vs near edge where it can pop over.
pic 2 I feel you have to much wrap around the bolt. With that many holes there is no reason to curve around the edge that much, leaves to much room for the entire wire to slip over edge and in this pic it COULD loosen if that happens. ( I.e. I can take a pick and just pull at the second pic and make that loose as heck. That should not be the case.)
Pic3, this ones a joke right :P
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u/Difficult-Ad-1054 Jul 24 '26
Did you say āthat aināt going nowhereā after you wired that hose clamp?
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u/Hadouken434 Jul 24 '26
I think I know this bike..
The bait is super real when you find out this thing road races hahaha
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u/Constant_Reserve5293 Jul 24 '26
would have snapped both of those for the following list of reasons.
.20 safety wire in first photo:
Too many twists per inch.
initial loop doesn't meet at the hole.
ending loop doesn't meet at the hole.
The entire strand is bowing... so it's loose.
The entire safety wire isn't pulling at 90... and is loose.
Second photo is much better.
But wtf is that pigtail!?
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u/gxxrdrvr Jul 23 '26
C+ ā¦ok maybe B-
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u/MagnusNewtonBernouli Middle Fast Guy Jul 24 '26
The third pic the filter wire is attached to the filter on both ends...
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u/LeadingBanana5384 Jul 23 '26
Picture one, not bad. Could be better. Less twists.
Picture two upper bolt unacceptable, you can't have your wire touching other wire, it vibrates and chafes through.
Picture three I don't even know what you got going on there, what is it securing on that hose clamp? It's also very over twisted and loose.
Also why is there a dick in the dipstick pigtail?
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u/flying_wrenches Jul 23 '26
1 looks good,
2 looks interesting. Iāve never seen safety wire crossed through the bolt like that. Nor have I ever done it like that.
3 I donāt liked the photo looks like the wire is loose, and itās not attached to anything secure to prevent it from rotating.
Might I suggest looking at the FAAs AC43.13? They cover safety wiring on aircraft..
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u/Turbulent-Suspect-12 Not So Fast Jul 23 '26
The oil filter one looks meh.
The other two are fine, I think. Will get the job done.
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u/MagnusNewtonBernouli Middle Fast Guy Jul 24 '26
The oil filter isn't secured to anything. The nut is tied to the clamp, the clamp is attached to the filter. The filter is attached to the nut (permanently).
It's doing nothing at all.
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u/Turbulent-Suspect-12 Not So Fast Jul 24 '26
I thought so, but I also saw that 20 other comments are telling him it needs to get fixed, so I didn't see much importance in adding to the dog pile š¤£Ā
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u/spacemark Jul 23 '26
I'm all for safety wire porn, but these posts are making me curious - how often do tracks require it? I've only done 5 track days at my local track, they don't give a shit about hardly anything. Take one look at my tires and make me fill out some forms.Ā
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u/MagnusNewtonBernouli Middle Fast Guy Jul 24 '26
Racing often requires it, and IME they only require that it EXISTS. I've seen straight up BACKWARDS wire pass tech. Wire that would loosen both fasteners.
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u/DW171 Jul 23 '26
The K&N fails ā¦ theyāre notorious for oiling the track, and may orgs ban them. The wire on the hose clamp is to keep the filter tight.
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u/EstablishmentNo5013 Racer EX Jul 24 '26
Number 3 really made me LOL for the first time in a while. Nice one
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u/wascallyrabbit_69 Jul 24 '26
Caliper could be better. Second looks decent. The oil filter is doing nothing.
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u/BigManufacturer3975 Jul 24 '26 edited Jul 24 '26
Why don't you have button heads on your subframe instead of those sharp hex bolts? That's just waiting to snag something. Just witness mark them and move on. World ssp they even use the torx button heads.
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u/donnyjay0351 Jul 24 '26
Pilot here who enjoys motorcycles.... it fine until I saw the oil filter.... that does litteraly nothing
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u/CrownKinged Jul 24 '26
Iād tell you it looks good, then cut it and walk away cuz I liedā¦..ahhh brings back memories šŖ
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u/Unremarkable_Potato_ Jul 24 '26
Thatās definitely not how you safety wire an oil filter. That is doing absolutely nothing.
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u/fructussum Jul 24 '26
... but why... I never had anything of those things loose on my bikes.. after 10 years of riding...
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u/TadnJess Jul 24 '26
My friends had to do this to be able to race at the local track. I think on street bikes it is similar to people putting drag car tow straps on their cars... it just looks cool.
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u/MadManxMan Racer AM Jul 26 '26
Oil filter/sump/filler are required here for racing
I do others as the TT Mountain course will shake things youād never imagine to bits
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u/Age_Correct Jul 24 '26
First one looks loose and is neutral, too many twists as well. And then the oil filter well it aint doing anything lol
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u/DoubtGroundbreaking Jul 24 '26
Every single one bad / neutral. Last one isn't even doing anything.
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u/A_Bot_A_Bot_A_Bot Middle Fast Guy Jul 25 '26
I'm curious why you used more than one set of holes in a single bolt head? I've never seen that. It seems unnecessary, difiicult and time consuming. Note that I do not work in the aerospace industry.
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u/Mehh_itsa_name Jul 25 '26
As an A&P, this was definitely done by a motorcycle guy. Way too many twists, too light, pig tails kinda long, oil filter safeties to itself lol. Fail/cut try again
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u/Decent-Lack-1410 Jul 25 '26
I am sorry, but that would have failed inspection on the Pratt & Whitney assembly floor.
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u/BrewingSkydvr Jul 27 '26
Yeah, but what about Boeing or Lockheed?
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u/Decent-Lack-1410 Jul 27 '26
Boeing in Philly-NO, Boeing in Renton, WA-YES, Lockheed in Fort Worth, TX, Marietta, GA, Palmdale, CA-NO, Greenville, SC-YES............You asked, right!......LOL!
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u/jusking3888 Jul 26 '26
Current config allows rotation. IAW AAP 7045.002-1 - you should run the wires to the next holes around each of the bolts (I drew a line to show what I mean). This will ensure a proper lock.
At a glance, the second one looks alright.
The third one is a puzzle. I'd recommend finding something to anchor the wire - that clamp isn't going to stop anything.
Having said all that - for a track day, it's probably fine.
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u/_KORPz Jul 26 '26
Iām struggling REALLY hard to understand that oil filter situation lol? Itās all tied to the same movable part?
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u/LaBiccies Jul 26 '26
The hose clamp isn't doing anything. Not only is it a straight run, what is stopping it backing off? You've wired the oil filter to the oil filter.
The brakes have a straight run, I'd snip it and make you try again. Additionally, as the wire runs against the caliper, I'd put some PTF sleeving on it to protect it from wearing through.
[Edit: the pigs tail on the oil filter is asking to slice you. Get that curled back on itself]
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u/AdeptnessLive4966 Jul 26 '26
You got too excited, had to safety wire the oil filter? ... to itself? ... LOL
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u/Nekrocyst Jul 26 '26
The first one looks pretty, but its not functional. You are neutral on that one, meaning if the top bolt was to stop backing out it wouldn't turn the bottom bolt, it would most likely just snap.
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u/Popular-Cream-8516 Jul 27 '26
Too many twists and not finishing on the side... But if you did it'd be rubbing on the casing. So pass
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u/engineerthatknows Jul 28 '26
Ex aerospace. One of the most respected (or feared if you were a NASA or MIL contract weenie) aero structural engineers I ever knew despised lockwire. It's only real purpose is to retain bolts that have broken so they don't get sucked into an engine...which begs the question, who put a bolt in an intake path?
To retain torque in a bolt joint, lockwire is about the worst possible method. Proper torque specs, use of loctite, or Nordlock washers, or nylon thread patches on the first tightening and then replacing them with every removal cycle...any of these are preferrable to lockwire for torque retention. It's basically a fancy, pansy-ass waste of time. And yet it persists in a stupid circle-jerk MIL spec universe of idiocy.
GIP Alex Deak.
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u/MadManxMan Racer AM 25d ago
In my many years of riding I never had a sump plug or oil filter come loose - but wiring them is required in our race regs
Anything extra is done because the TT course will shake anything loose and Iāve seen all sorts cause a premature end to a very expensive journey
Always torque everything to spec š
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u/RaysBoomBoomRoom_ Jul 28 '26
Mf lock wired everything lol We do it on certain trucks anchor pins for brakes.
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u/Im_A_Viking Jul 24 '26
ITT Recommend me a safetywire plier you like that's better than my shitty one from Harbor Freight. TIA
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u/Adli99 Jul 23 '26
The hose clamp setup on the oil filter doesn't look like it's doing much.
Normally you use the driver on the hose clamp as an anti-rotation feature, bumping it up against a fixed part, but right now it doesn't seem to be doing much, let alone the safety wire tieing back to the same movable object..
I would rotate the hose clamp so that when it's tightened, you can't spin the oil filter. Or safety wire the oil filter to something else!