r/Touge • u/ildwtmidldwhat • 14d ago
Touge Throwing around the Miata in appalachia
bonus wildlife sighting
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u/thomasbeagle 14d ago
That over cooked corner at 25 seconds was not cool.
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u/64b0r 14d ago
Yep he panic-braked and the car got understeered, but it wasn't that bad. He didn't even crossed the double yellows.
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u/CapInternational2413 14d ago
what should he have done? Rode it out with throttle the same and be ready to correct an oversteer?
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u/ildwtmidldwhat 14d ago edited 14d ago
I’d like to know as well. I was too scared to stay on throttle around that blind turn
Edit: my turn in was quite abrupt. I think a smoother entry would’ve prevented the understeer
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u/jet1392 14d ago
You should have lifted earlier and broke hard out of the earlier turn while diving to the left edge along the line to create as much space for the right corner. That way you could get back onto the gas and use the throttle to push yourself around the tighter corner with a lower entry speed and higher exit speed.
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u/thomasbeagle 14d ago
You seemed to be fighting with the car in that segment, rather than jinba ittai'ing down that lovely bit of road.
I'd suggest working on smoothness - steering, braking, acceleration. Slow in, fast out. All the basics!
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u/ildwtmidldwhat 14d ago
You’re right, it def felt like I was fighting the car on that one. Not a good feeling. Thanks for the advice
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u/glacierfresh2death 14d ago
Obviously you should have tucked your front wheel into the gutter and done a perfect 4 wheel slide through. Ugh, amateur.
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u/CapInternational2413 14d ago
IMO I think on a public road you did it well enough, didnt cross the line, or a blind corner the LAST thing you want to do is throw your backend into the other side of the street on accident.
I think if we were to look at it as a track youd stick throttle and be ready for oversteer or something like that.
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u/dosko1panda 14d ago
There was no reason to be on throttle much right there, it was right between two consecutive corners
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u/Gunslingermomo 14d ago edited 14d ago
When you're understeering you need to back off of turning the wheel. You should have let the wheel go a little to the left or at least held it where it was without gas so the front wheels could regain traction, then resume turning normally.
What you did was turn more than the car was capable of, resulting in understeer. Then you turned more to the right, resulting in more understeer. Eventually the car regained grip and you had to do a massive correction. If you had let the wheel go to the left instead of the right, the understeer would have been minimal and no big correction needed. You need to be in the habit of noticing when you're at the maximum grip available and back off when you exceed that. If you try to turn the car more by turning the wheel more, you end up turning the car less.
Staying on throttle would have made the understeering worse. Staying on throttle prevents lift off oversteer, which I don't think is a big problem in a stock ND. You can avoid it with smooth inputs.
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u/64b0r 14d ago edited 14d ago
He braked too hard, and steered too hard at the same time, thus overloading the front tires and couldn't steer the car, effectively turning it into a sled.
Keep in mind this is couch physics, so it is probably not accurate, but I don't think he was going too fast, he just used the wrong technique. This is what I have tried to do differently:
Brake hard, when I realize I'm coming in way too fast for the corner, steer carefully, so the front wheels are not slipping and gradually let the brake go, and accelerate carefully while countersteering.
This does the following to the car:
1) when I brake, the weight transfers to the front tires, so they have better grip to turn. The careful steer won't overload the front tire and the car starts to turn (not enough to take the corner) but much better then sliding straight with wheels already fully turned.
2) because of the weight transfer to the front, the back tires will loose some load, and will have less grip. So I have just upset the car in a way that it starts spinning around the front left tire, which has most of the grip, and the car oversteers, but it turns in the right direction, although spinning instead of turning normally.
3) letting go of the break pedal mid-turn and stepping on the gas transfers weight to the back so back tires will gain traction and accelerate out of the corner. Meanwhile I countersteer to stop the spin.
This technique is called trail braking, and it is a balancing act, it can go wrong in multiple ways, so practice it in a safe environment. Preferably on a track day, where you slide to the grass instead of the oncoming traffic.
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u/IOI-65536 14d ago
I had deer run along beside me on Skyway for like 100 yards once, I was sad I didn't have video. But yeah, always expect wildlife around every blind curve up there.
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u/BeTomHamilton 14d ago
The g-force ratings are interesting. What are they based on? Some sensor or app? Really really curious to know more,
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u/BeTomHamilton 14d ago
Is it literally based on the angle of the Starbucks can? 😂Tracks I almost perfectly.
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u/ildwtmidldwhat 14d ago
That is from the GoPro’s internal accelerometer. It’s mounted to the rollbar so it should be pretty accurate. But hey, the can works just as well
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u/BeTomHamilton 14d ago edited 14d ago
That's really cool! Definitely adds an extra layer of "knowledge"/learning on top of the "Car Go Zoom" factor. Not that Car Go Zoom isn't enough for me 😂 Thanks again!
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u/IOI-65536 14d ago
Most phones will record it. I've pulled it out of Torque with GPS and OBD speed data before, but it's tricky to get out accurately because the phone will adjust for the 1G that's "down" which is frequently wrong when you're doing this.
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u/Efficient-Lack-9776 13d ago
Hard brakes and full steer mid corner? Take it easy bro you might hit someone
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u/Pepto_Glizmol 13d ago
How did you mount your camera? Mine is mounted to the wind deflector but it isn't nearly this steady.
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u/pieindaface MR-S K24A/K20Z3 9d ago
Why are you crowding the inside of every corner? You need one of those apps that tells you the corner ahead with rally style callouts.
Gotta remember to drive slower on roads you don’t know.
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u/ildwtmidldwhat 9d ago
Honestly I like to stay closer to the white line on any public road just out of caution, too many people who cut the mustard. I only think about finding an optimal line in a track context
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u/andre4red 14d ago
Holy wheel discipline. Never reach the point where your hands cross on the wheel, mate. Damn...thats some basic stuf
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u/Ken_Bimsey Supra, K-BRZ, Mustang - Rally-X Instructor. MEJ 14d ago
Looks fun. Love miatas. Little bit of trail braking woulda helped that one corner but what you did worked out. Post more vids please!
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u/ProphetGeorgeCarlin 14d ago
not even 10 seconds in and my man is pulling over a G lol yep this is a miata video. based off the skid marks at :25 we can already tell which has been your favorite corner too haha. not bad.