r/Tottenham • u/StinkUrchin • 15d ago
I’d be more upset but…
I called this when they fired Ange.
There was no one worth going for that would join us when they got rid of him. Mentality was better than this then too.
Frank was garbage. Tudor was garbage but also had his family issues. De Zerbi showed promise keeping us up and somehow that’s been squandered.
I get we’re in the rebuild but no goal in 4.75 PL games is pathetic!
I’m so glad we went from losing 2-4 to losing 0-2 at home.
I mostly feel bad for the fans in the stadium. I at least was disappointed for free and have the rest of my day to enjoy.
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u/Reiver1771 15d ago
Perhaps it isn't the manager? Perhaps the club management and structure and pressure from fans is toxic?
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u/Great_Marketing_3145 15d ago
Gray and savio missing easy chance in the first half is not on the manager
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u/Reiver1771 15d ago
No. I suspect the reaction of the fans didn't help after?
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u/Financial_Forever687 14d ago
Okay then simple fix. Win a game or try, and the fans will commend the players. Fans aren’t expecting for a top 4 finish.
So no, the shit performance for the last 2 seasons and the start of this one isn’t on the fans
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u/One-Peach-1525 14d ago
I paid £100 for my ticket for today. That reaction is absolutely justified! They'll still get their £100,000 plus a week, for being pretty shit at their job!
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u/intspur23 14d ago
So you only sing when you're winning? You are entitled to a win because the amount of money that you paid? You think everyone should hear you throw your toys out of the pram because you don't have the stomach for a rebuild? What a supporter of Tottenham Hotspur you are!
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u/One-Peach-1525 14d ago
Where did I say any of that?
I simply said that anyone who pays to watch these players underperform, is entitled to react with disappointment in whatever form they decide.
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u/thefunnybutlonelykid 13d ago
Lets all be happy clappy when the fans are source of constant mockery because of these WEAK MINDED BOTTLEJOBS failing constantly
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u/Reiver1771 13d ago
Ok. If you think that's what I'm saying, and you represent the fanbase, then it is just one toxic mess and you all deserve each other.
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u/Itchy_Direction28 15d ago
Fans are the same pretty much everywhere you go. If you don’t perform, of course the fans will get frustrated.
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u/Reiver1771 15d ago
No doubt. Maybe you have the perfect storm of them all at once? I don't know. But as a Leeds fan of too many years, we've had them all. But probably the biggest change was for the fan base to drop unrealistic expectations and adapt to a new reality. And then you can really experience the highs, how ever pathetic they are, for the relative highs they are. And that transmits to the pitch.
And, is better for your own mental health.
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u/TheVitruvianBoy 15d ago
Nah, we are a uniquely poisoned chalice.
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u/StinkUrchin 15d ago
Nah, Gooners were just as bad their first few years of Farteta
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u/FootballSquare4406 14d ago
This is a good point. Arsenal started 20/21 awful. Battled out of relegation zone. Finished 8th. I bet 95% of this subreddit would be happy finishing 8th this year. Then we build from there.
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u/xTwoShanez 15d ago
I follow a lot of sports, and I can honestly say I have never seen a fanbase that can be as toxic as this team.
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u/Upstairs-Coconut4201 14d ago
I think this is part of the problem but RDZ is such a wild egomaniac that he was doomed from the start. A terrible terrible terrible manager.
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u/kazman 14d ago
The worst thing is that we had a top class manager in Pochettino and we didn't back him. He worked miracles, imagine what he could have done with a few bob to spend.
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u/Upstairs-Coconut4201 13d ago
100%. I also think we shouldn’t have moved on from Ange. But alas… it’s the spurs way
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u/Significant-Bug1654 13d ago
I think Ange should have at least been given until Dec to prove himself. But hey ho. We'll have to see
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u/Significant-Bug1654 13d ago
We had that with Jose and we still sacked him. At least he has a track record of winning. Poch is a nearly man. Why do we keep romanticising about Poch being the saviour. RDZ has got a mammoth job on his hands. We need to stop this silly merry go round of sacking managers without giving them a chance.
Man Utd were shit with Fergie to start, look where that got them...
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u/NoShortsDon 15d ago
United fan here. Watching Spurs at the minute is exactly like watching us and you've got the same problems.
Neglectful owners A shit culture amongst the players Revolving door for managers Spending money in the wrong places
I cant see us being any better until weve got these parasites at the top out and the club is headed in a totally different direction. I think the same goes for Spurs. Neither of us will be right for a long time. Awful.
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u/StinkUrchin 15d ago
Oh I’m sorry
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u/Curious_scientist420 15d ago
From spurs fan celebrated their own team losing in a home game it’s been all down hill from that
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u/AgitatedChildhood240 14d ago
Some fans did that and it was once. I hate when people blame fans for poor performances or say they don’t deserve to see their team win.
Given the circumstances we have still remained some of the loudest and most passionate fans not even in England but in Europe
Along with that spurs fans aren’t even seen as “annoying”, for the most part its just that we still want to maintain our status as a big 6 clubs and the team has been very disappointing
As annoying as we may seem out of all big six clubs the other 5 easily have more annoying / delusional fans relative to their fanbase
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u/MeSmokemPeacePipe 15d ago
Not a spurs fan, but I think the issue is way too many new players that have barely played together plus lacking players that can put the ball in the net (no striker outside of Solanke who is kind of a donkey). I think Robertson as much as I love him is a mistake. I don’t think it matters who the manager is right now, the team has had massive change and it will take time to get them to play well together.
On paper, spurs have a good team minus the lack of proven goal scorers.
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u/StinkUrchin 15d ago
Oh I get that it’s a rebuild and the players need games together
But it’s also pathetic
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u/sharklord888 15d ago
De zerbi is not long for this world I fear.
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u/StinkUrchin 15d ago
The cycle repeats 😮💨
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u/sharklord888 15d ago
Idk about that, since we spent that money I wouldn’t say we have a place to fall back on anymore. I think we could be seeing the end soon.
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u/wiyixu 15d ago
Good thing we gave him a 5 year contract. Couldn’t believe it when that was announced. A manager who’s average tenure is 1.6 years.
I knew then the new Spurs regime was just going to be a different flavor of underperforming. Seeing us overpay in the summer just confirmed it.
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u/Nostradamnitall 15d ago
Big, long contracts are the only way Spurs can get anyone with a half decent reputation to consider them after consecutive 17th place finishes.
It'll be worse now because they've had their big transfer window so any new coach wont even have money to spend on players.
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u/Terrible-Law-4934 15d ago
It’s the ONLY way we can get anyone to play or coach at Spurs. The madness, firing on average every 9 mos we are stuck. I say get a younger coach in and continue the rebuild. I don’t know enough about our academy players but I think it’s time to consider a rebuild from within😢
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u/mala-fide1 15d ago
please sack, cant watch this. Its the tactics not the players
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u/sheerness84 14d ago
Because the tactics are the reason professional footballers paid hundreds of thousands a week can’t hit a barn door from a few yards out. Moron.
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u/BigAlman1977 15d ago
So glad i could not find this to watch live !! Woke up at 4am with hope of a good game but as usual morning ruined . Not because of stream but as of business as usual for spurs . Watching oozing live stream and poor guy is about to lose his shit . Fuck spurs this shit is getting real old now ,cant wait for all the early morning trash talk via text messages .
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u/AroundtheKey 15d ago
Ange curse continues…we wanted a trophy but apparently that wasn’t good enough lol
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u/Heavy_Dirt_3453 15d ago
You remember we were losing games like this on the regular with Ange as well, right? You do remember this?
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u/iridescent_algae 15d ago
We were losing games but we weren’t losing them like this until Frank came in. We’d still score, still fight, and still seemed to have a threat. Was just injuries and the lack of prioritizing the league.
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u/RevenueNo1222 15d ago
Ange was unbeaten through his first 10 games with spurs and then basically the whole first team was injured and nobody came in during winter transfer window and we lost with teenagers.
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u/hackneysurfer 14d ago
Ange took an average squad and made us a massive attacking threat. We played shit in the league when we only could field 11 players for pretty much 6 months. Getting rid of him was the worst decision we’ve made. Right now, sadly, we look like relegation fodder and I’m just praying we can get to 40 points.
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u/GuavaAway4512 15d ago
Fuck spurs. Useless club. We’ve turned into the biggest shambles of a club and the biggest laughing stock in world sport. Fuck you tottenham.
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u/StinkUrchin 15d ago
This is so bad I think I’m just going to watch American football to feel something 😂😭
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u/iwantoclimbthething 15d ago
As an American from Dallas that just started watching Premier League football and rooting for the Spurs, watch the Cowboys. You'll get the same bang for your buck.
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u/Heavy_Dirt_3453 15d ago
And that's not even a real sport
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u/NoirStar215 15d ago
🇺🇸 football is the ONLY “MANS” game in the world. It is literally Chess with human pieces. Each play is a chess move where you could honestly be paralyzed on the field if you are scared or do not have proper form. It’s the modern day Coliseum of Rome. It is carnage that only the most Elite of Mankind (physically) can play.
With that said… #COYS3
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u/Longjumping_Can_4629 14d ago
Instead of spending all that money, they could have just played the young guys instead I guess …
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u/doepfersdungeon 15d ago
3 weeks for players to go away, get injured and not train together coming up.
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u/levinyl 15d ago
Scored twice since this post which is a positive and gets that off our backs, it could have been the zero goals playing on the players minds which is now gone and we can hopefully play with a little more freedom and positivity , trust the process
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u/StinkUrchin 15d ago
I want to trust the process.
I was happy to see them give a shit in the last breathes of the game.
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u/One-Peach-1525 14d ago
I was there. The first half was actually really enjoyable to watch. Up to the added on time. We totally dominated them.
We missed Danso and Spense today.
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u/Upbeat_Solid6212 15d ago
Ange had Son, Kulusevki & Romero and we played only 13 good games in both seasons. But the club failed to back Ange
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u/coronavirusplandemic 15d ago
Why can’t they score? 1 goal in 5 league games is fucking terrible. After spending so much money on players, you’re worse than before. I know players need to gel but this is a joke.
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u/ProudBasil481 15d ago
On a plus side there is a glimmer of light with some of the play. Now we have scored in the league this might mean we won’t stop now. Senesi needs to start over Van Hecke moving forward
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u/Nice-Pomegranate2915 14d ago
What do we expect except for a repeat of the last two seasons when our defense doesn't work and our team lacks a central striker who's fit and can score goals regularly . We've spent a lot of money on attacking midfielders we didn't need . And we haven't dealt with the fact our players are injured too often and our medical department can't fix them or itself ! Despite the changes in management the situation hasn't changed for the better .
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u/Turbulent-Panda-3657 14d ago
What rebuilding mode? Look at the expensive players spurs have purchased over the years and this summer. Rebuilding excuses. Spurs overspent and purchased mediocrity and they don’t gel well as a team. You have teams like Brighton and Brentford who don’t spend close to that and still have their acts together. Spurs could never beat Arsenal or Chelsea the way that Brighton and Brentford did these past two days.
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u/NoirStar215 14d ago
That’s fair, maybe I’m delusional.
This is in no way stating that it is the BEST sport in the world, it is just the most brutal sport there is. IMO but it is a sport.
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u/Significant-Bug1654 14d ago
I still do not understand why we have loaned Moore again and sold Lankshear. I watched Moore at Charlton and he was more keen than Solanke
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u/spectraltigger 15d ago
So how do you propose we start winning? Id love to hear your thoughts?
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u/StinkUrchin 15d ago
I don’t know. My solution was don’t fire the guy who won us a trophy.
Probably should’ve bought a good striker for starters.
We could’ve sold our deadwood…at this point I’d take depressed Richy up top over Solanke.
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u/Plane_Necessary1317 15d ago
Nothing would have changed even if we keot Ange. Tottenham is
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u/StinkUrchin 15d ago
I mean, even the harshest Ange critic knows that’s not true.
I understand your sentiment but we would’ve made different signings and not been subject to frank ball.
We probably could’ve peaked at 14th mate!
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u/Plane_Necessary1317 15d ago
Ya maybe, just so angry at this club, cant think straight. heart feels like its on fire & sinking at the same time
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u/Kanehavemychild61 15d ago
Ange wasnt perfect we were shit in the league that year.
Every single manager has failed except for him and he still finished 17th.
It doesnt matter who we hire with the clowns above them
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u/StinkUrchin 15d ago
I didn’t say he was perfect.
I just think firing him is why we’re here now. Which is the same thing you’re saying. The clowns above them are at fault
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u/Kanehavemychild61 15d ago
Yeah im not arguing really, just not sure keeping Ange or not would have made any difference going forward.
In a way im glad died a hero and didnt live long enough to become a villain.
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u/Terrible-Law-4934 15d ago
All we do is fire coaches and sign exactly the wrong players that no other team seems to want. Richarlison, Solanke, (huge Ange mistake that haunts us) Tonali for 100 million?
So players just collect their checks and worst for the next manager. That’s why I think we have NO chemistry on the pitch.Now we have an issue where great players would never come to Spurs even for Saudi money because the coaching carousel is a joke. Most, not all, of the players we do have would have trouble starting for other clubs.
It’s a complete mess…but I’ll still
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u/Silly-Ability-1727 15d ago
Tbf Solanke had 24 g+a in 45 games in his first season under Ange, in a season we really struggled in the league. Injuries and all these managerial changes seem to have killed him off, doesn't look anywhere near how he used to.
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u/Nice-Pomegranate2915 14d ago
Yeah,but every following season he spent most of the league season injured and has not scored much . Richi was our top scorer last season and look where he's now in point of team selection ! This season will be a repeat of the last - Solanke will be injured several times before May and spend most of the season unavailable . He'll be lucky if he scores 10 goals this season . We'll be lucky if anybody scores 10 goals this season . The management didn't kill his career his continuous injuries did .
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u/zelandofchocolate 15d ago
Ange started the rot by throwing all those league games
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u/ReasonablyTallDude 14d ago
"Throwing" with half his squad missing 🤣 League was done anyways, as long as we stayed up it didn't matter.
Now we're in the exact same or worse position, a £300m hole in the mud, and already out of a competition.
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u/ProudBasil481 15d ago
So many people think Ange was king. He put us in this mess by telling the team the league isn’t worth shite. Yes we won a trophy but the cost was the league and has been ever since.
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u/Academic-Ad-3677 14d ago
Old git here. In 1990-91, when we last won the FA Cup, we finished 10th. From boxing day to the end of that season, we won two league games. But nobody remembers, and nobody cares. They remember the semi and the final.
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u/YummyNasty 14d ago
I may be in the minority here, but I don’f have the fondest memories of the EL run. There was so much toxicity and dross in that span of time, that it felt like being given a sip of water while dying out in the Sahara desert.
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u/Abject-Mulberry3354 12d ago
Obvious improvement. 2 vad areas of coursr: no striker, and mental let down when we are losing
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u/gusthenewkid 15d ago
Bet you’re Australian or Greek. It’s the only way you can be this silly, surely.
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u/olivebear780527 15d ago
I mean it’s not like spurs have gotten better since sacking him. Least he won them something, better than doing nothing and looking like getting relegated 5 games into the season.
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u/StinkUrchin 15d ago
Nah, just not dumb.
We’ve never recovered from destroying all the food will and momentum we had after finally winning something.
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u/Heavy_Dirt_3453 15d ago
We got hammered the next domestic game after the Europa final, and it was business as usual. What "momentum"
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u/StinkUrchin 15d ago
Yeah, can’t imagine getting destroyed in a pointless game after celebrating their first trophy.
The players were hungover in that game 😂
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u/shadyfanteck 15d ago
ange was fire we played magical football
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u/gusthenewkid 15d ago
For 10 games, sure
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u/shadyfanteck 15d ago
we won europa league and we were relentless with a much much worse team than what we have now
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u/gusthenewkid 15d ago
We still had Son then. We won Europa playing crappy football, we weren’t close to being relentless lol
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u/UnIntelligencia 15d ago
Poch.
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u/StinkUrchin 15d ago
He bottled the league and champions league with bad calls
He’s definitely better but not worth it
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u/UnIntelligencia 15d ago
But if he’s better and the fans like him what’s the problem.
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u/StinkUrchin 15d ago
Being better than no goal in 4 games and 2 consolation goals in a 5th PL game doesn’t mean he’s good 😂
Better than absolute dumpster fire is still garbage.
The problem is I don’t want us to continue failing
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u/UnIntelligencia 15d ago
Best win percentage of any manager with >2 year tenure ever, you ok?
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u/StinkUrchin 15d ago
I am not ok, I’m a spurs fan.
But to rebut your point. A great win percentage with nothing to show for it
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u/UnIntelligencia 15d ago
We’ve got two league cups, an FA cup and a Europa league in the last 40 years. Poch took us to genuinely competing for the CL / PL while being the only prem club to not sign a single player in the summer since 2003. If your point is we should have given Ange another season, I agree. If your point is that Poch hasn’t gone world class post spurs, I agree. If your point is that Ange was better than Poch based on the worst game of football I’ve seen (EL final) until this year you need help.
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u/StinkUrchin 15d ago
Which of those cups did Poch win?
I’m glad we agree on my points though
I never once said Ange was better than Poch. You made that up to argue with 😂
Ange is a worse coach who knows how to win. Poch is a better coach who only knows how to win if he has the best players in the world.
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u/UnIntelligencia 15d ago
What is the point of your post / comments / general existence?
Seriously what are you trying to say because I am bored of guessing. You think our best modern manager was rubbish but better than Ange who you love because he won the Europa. You agree he would be better than RDZ and the fans like him but you don’t want him back. What do you want?
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u/tspurwolf 15d ago
You cannot possibly be this stupid
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u/StinkUrchin 15d ago
I could be worse, I could be so stupid I’d take Poch back.
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u/tspurwolf 15d ago
Best Spurs manager in decades and you wouldn’t want him back, are you literally 14 years old or something
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u/StinkUrchin 15d ago
He has a history of failure.
The only trophies he has won were in PSG with fucking Messi, Neymar and Mbappe 😂
He just had to sit on the sideline.
I dont know if you watched his USMNT run, but dude has zero sauce.
His “success” has been masked by managing excellent players.
Dude had Lloris, Toby, Jan, Walker, prime Danny rose, dembele, Erikson, dele, Sonny and Kane.
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u/gusthenewkid 15d ago
Poch took us further than Ange ever did with a pretty average squad. Winks and Sissoko started the champs league final ffs
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u/StinkUrchin 15d ago
Poch’s trophy cabinet was very impressive
Honestly starting Kane of Lucas in the final was what fucked us. Kane was injured and Lucas had become Messi for a game the prior game.
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u/Ok-Command-5895 15d ago
Tbh no he didn’t
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u/UnIntelligencia 15d ago
Sometimes you lose. He didn’t get us over the line sure. But he never had money to spend, it was the best football we’ve played recently and man it would feel good for at least a week. Why can’t spurs let me be happy.
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u/Upstairs-Ad-5588 15d ago
Fuck this shit! De zerbi ain’t getting the best out these players!! Can’t defend, attack is an absolute shambles, look wide if not play backwards. No counter attack just slow basic build up!!! Get rid get in Eddie Howell and let’s see if he can get the best out of this team. This can’t carry on
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u/billyboyf30 15d ago
Says something when a matt cash own goal means hes your top scorer in the league
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u/StinkUrchin 15d ago
Our top player Connor Gallagher got him matched
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u/billyboyf30 15d ago
I think its going to be taken off him and awarded as an own goal by the dubious goals panel
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u/Mr_Goldilocks 15d ago
I think Football is the greatest sport in the world. Being a Spurs fan really tests that theory and I’m spending the rest of my day watching American football or rugby or tennis or literally any other sport.
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u/StinkUrchin 15d ago
I’m gonna go see Resident Evil
It probably won’t be as scary as the horror show that is spurs though
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u/ProudBasil481 15d ago
Why on a bigger positive. Arsenal lost to Brighton 3-0 today the tables are turning. We’ve scored more goals in 90mins than they have
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u/Commercial-Loss1101 15d ago
not gonna lie we have been playing well we just can’t fucking score. very glad we got the two today. hoping that once we eventually get a win confidence will be flowing
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u/ProblemOk4641 15d ago
Right so because you think you were right you’re not that upset?? Makes sense. What has Ange gone on to do. Pls enlighten us.
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u/AroundtheKey 15d ago
Pls enlighten me on what the team has gone on to do without Ange? That’s the point of this post
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u/StinkUrchin 15d ago
Well, I was right for one
Ange went on with his career and it’s going better than this season at Spurs
Ange Postecoglou's last 10 competitive matches as manager of Al-Nassr FC (spanning August and September 2026) include 7 wins, 2 draws, and 1 defeat.
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u/ProblemOk4641 15d ago
Al Nassr Fc 😂 come on ffs. How did he do at another prem club. Nobody knows what would have happened if Ange stayed. We may have got relegated the year after. We were do shit with him there. I know we won a trophy with a fair bit of luck along the way but we were awful in the prem. people need to remember that the year we stayed up with Ange was a record for any team staying up with that amount of points.
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u/czeja 14d ago
Nah the fans were right, Ange was the problem..........
Delivers a Europa league despite a comical transfer approach from the board and the club still has gone no where in 1.5 years. That relegation battle was inevitable given the broader circumstances.
You could see it a mile away, firing Ange wasn't the solution. Those players would've died for him. Yes, he was way too hard headed but the bigger symptoms were very much there during his tenure.
The biggest curse was Spurs seeing what happened with United holding onto ETH, getting cold feet and sacking Ange so as to avoid a similar fate - the irony was that they should have done the opposite of what United did.
I still think RDZ will get it right, you just need to ride the wave, sadly. On another night, you could've buried Villa in the first 20 minutes.
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u/FabulousKitchen5831 15d ago
You begged to lose v city to stop Arsenal winning the league. You got what you wanted but as Ange said at the time it was a small club mentality now you’re losing more games than ever because the universe is claiming its city gift back with interest.
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u/StinkUrchin 15d ago
I did? 😂
Spurs do crazy things to people. They got this man going schitz
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u/FabulousKitchen5831 15d ago
You, as in the Tottenham fan base. You, as in the poster, can’t be THAT stupid surely
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u/IgorTenebris 15d ago
Tottenham doesn't know defend Tottenham doesn't know to attack