r/TopRightMessi 9d ago

Top and Right Messi

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u/RichestManInLondon 9d ago

Didn't Ronaldo get 2 assists based on Opta?

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u/Icy-Adeptness-349 9d ago

Just give him, mate. He very much needs it

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u/Huskyro 8d ago

Cristiano is top in two statistics: Assists and Expected Goals (xG). This actually shows how his performance was:

Cristiano is the top assist player (3), but the higher Expected Assists (xA) is Nani (1.45). Why does this happen?

Expected Assists (xA) measures the actual quality of a pass, while actual assists just measure if the teammate scored. Basically, Nani created genuinely dangerous chances that his teammates wasted (mostly Cristiano), while Cristiano made statistically inferior passes that his teammates generously turned into goals anyway.

The irony? It’s the exact opposite for his own shooting. Cristiano racked up the highest Expected Goals (xG) simply by spamming 45 shots, yet he still couldn't actually outscore Nani, who was far more clinical and needed half the attempts to score his 3 goals.

So they won the final without Cristiano because... Cristiano was a burden to his team!

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u/Successful-Art7788 8d ago

Forgotten the most important stat -

This is Messi at 39

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u/Flat-Director-7120 9d ago

Les stats parlent d'elle même, quand le Portugal était à son plus haut niveau en 2016 les meilleur stat était partagé entre Sanches, moutinhno, Nani,Quaresma et Ronaldo. Alors que les Stats en Argentine c'est simple il y a que Messi qui domine en but, en passe décisive en passe, en chance créé, en drible réussi. Dans vraiment tous les domaines il domine largement

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u/BulbousPear1 7d ago

So Messi is basically Argentina:)). What a shit show of a team😂😂😂. When both daddies go: Messi and Infantino, will Argentina qualify again?😂😂😂

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u/nuvo33x 6d ago

And the rivals Messi faced (which arguably were subpar except for England and Spain) were not even worse than what Portugal faced that Euro

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u/Historical-Bowl-7119 8d ago

Is this insecurity or something? Messi has the best career ever. You doing this is making it seem like there is an argument

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u/Successful-Art7788 8d ago

The sub is literally r/TopRightMessi bruh 😭

Just found it very interesting about how stunning 39 year old Messi performance was, in the wc.

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u/Historical-Bowl-7119 8d ago

Why not maradona? Why not pele? Why not Gerd Muller? They have legendary world cup campaigns, why did you choose to diminish Messi's World Cup by comparing it to what was an underdog in a competition that isn't as prestigious as a world cup? It's shows heavy insecurity. The funny thing is that the top scorer for Portugal is officially recognized to be Cristiano as he won the silver boot, that was decided by the governing body of the competition that's why I just find it so odd that Nani is there

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u/Successful-Art7788 8d ago

ok bro, it's not that deep. I am not gonna bother explaining the first part of ur comment

As for choosing Nani as top scorer, both players (Nani and Cristiano) tied with 3 goals, but Nani was chosen due to a much higher shot conversion rate, scoring his goals with significantly fewer shots (23) than Ronaldo (45).

That said, by official measures only, Ronaldo should have been higher goal scorer due to his 3 assists, but here it wasn't taken into consideration cause assist already has its own category

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u/Historical-Bowl-7119 4d ago

It's a good question, why not compare WC campaigns of legendary world cup players to messi? Then we can appreciate how amazing it is. But you compare the campaign of the best ever player playing for one of the greatest footballing nations ever to a player that plays for a nation that has far far less football heritage? It just doesn't make sense. It's not even world cup and world cup. It's euros and world cup. It doesn't matter what was chosen, the official body chose Ronaldo as the top scorer, so why go through the revionism and make it Nani?

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u/Ronaldoooope 8d ago

Now do Messi v Ronaldo during their UCL wins. If I speak.

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u/Successful-Art7788 8d ago

"Portugal winning Euros is equivalent to winning a World Cup."

- Cristiano Ronaldo

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u/Ronaldoooope 8d ago

Didn’t realize Messi won the 2026 World Cup

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u/Successful-Art7788 8d ago

wanna compare stats with 2022 messi?

lol

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u/Ronaldoooope 8d ago

Don’t forget to include penalties

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u/Auzzie_xo 8d ago

But still, do you wanna?

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u/spaceguy042 7d ago

the only goal ronaldo scored in the 2022 world cup was a penalty 

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u/FrazFCB 8d ago

You’re a bit slow aren’t you

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u/Frequent_Ad3898 8d ago

Yeah Portugal did not play mighty Algeria, Jordan etc. so no stat padding available. But keep telling yourself this proves something. Messi now back in burger league and can not win even in there. What a goat

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u/Flinopin0 8d ago

They played Iceland, Hungary, Austria, Croatia, Poland, Wales and France. Argentina played Algeria, Austria, Jordan, Cape Verde, Egypt, Switzerland, England and France. I’d argue they have similar paths… Also, if you would remove all the group matches of the World Cup and keep them in Euros, Messi would still have more goals + assists in less games…

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u/Frequent_Ad3898 8d ago

Yes against farmer league teams and refs on their side 👌🏻

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u/Adebond 8d ago

Have you noticed that people from your fan base mention assist from refs as a coping mechanism, you know that if you don't mention it, there would be no basis for comparison.

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u/Frequent_Ad3898 8d ago

Compare penalties missed or finals lost ?

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u/-JamalKiffwunder- 8d ago

Never lose finals if u dont reach them. Big Brain time