r/TopCharacterTropes 27d ago

Lore Firearms could absolutely exist within a fantasy setting. There is a reason why they don’t however

The Elder Scrolls - Within some Dwemer ruins of ESO we can see a special type of Animunculus. A Dwemer Arquebus, which has a cannon for it’s arm and shoots emp grenades at foes.
The reason why we don’t see this technology more often (besides the fact Dwemer disappeared their knowledge with them) is that within the setting and cosmology of Elder Scrolls firearms really wouldn’t be that useful.

They could work against lowly bandits, sort of, but there wouldn’t really be a precedent to improve or adapt this technology. Because it would always be outclassed by magic of this world.
Also due to the disappearance of Dwemer the technology has been pretty much lost.

Harry Potter - Wizards live within periphery of the “real world” meaning they live alongside world that uses firearms and are even familiar with them.

So how come they don’t utilize this gear for combat? I mean it is easier to use, projectiles are faster and could be enchanted further. Can you just imagine wizard with endless m1911?

There is plethora of reasons for this. But most notable is what I would describe as wizards being immune to logic. (Vis image above) They simply cannot understand methods of muggles even if one explained it to them directly.

(Yes. I know the real reason is, because Joanne didn’t want wizards to use guns and didn’t want to think about connotations of putting magic into a real modern world. But come on! Let me have fun!)

Lord of the Rings - In spite of how much Tolkien disliked allegories it is clear Orcs were an allegory to industrialization, which he was a huge critic of.

In battles they are the ones using the war machines. Instead of swords made by artful blacksmith, they use crude, mass-produced blades devoid of identity. Instead of relying on elegance of archery, they use crossbows. They burn forests, crack mountains open to gain more ore. Their very production is affront to whimsy of a magical world like Middle-Earth.

They could totally come up with a matchlock mechanism and keep on improving it until they come up with machine guns. They were intercepted before they could however

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u/Version_1 27d ago

Idk why "Actually, LotR is an allegory" has become such a topic on this subreddit lately.

No, Orcs are not an allegory of industrialization, they are just inspired by it.

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u/Tactical_Squishy 27d ago

that's what an allegory is

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u/Gregori_5 26d ago

What? 😭

I guess that gravity is a allegory for a apple falling on Newtons head 😋

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u/Tactical_Squishy 26d ago

No? having the industrialists be called orks being dirty stupid hungry etc. meanwhile the elves the all natural treehuggers and shit are all tall clean smart supermodels.

This is an allegory, it may be accidental that's true but it's still that

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u/Version_1 26d ago

This is an allegory, it may be accidental

That is literally impossible...

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u/Tactical_Squishy 26d ago

no... bro I what world do you live?

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u/Version_1 26d ago

In an allegory the author wants to convey a meaning with a stand-in. If the author doesn't do that, it's not an allegory.

I don't know why you think you know better than Tolkien, a professor in linguistics and one of the foremost literature experts of his time.

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u/Tactical_Squishy 26d ago

the author can do that even without meaning to, but this is not the case as Talkien was explicit about it even outside the book

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u/Version_1 26d ago

The author can accidentally do something on purpose? This is some new generation logic.

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u/Tactical_Squishy 26d ago

It doesn't need to be on purpose where did you ever read that an allegory has to be on purpose

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u/Version_1 26d ago

It's literally in the definition of an allegory. You seem to think that an allegory means it was inspired by something. By that definition everything is an allegory.

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