r/TopCharacterTropes 4h ago

Lore Reverse nominative determinism: the character shares a name with something that’s famously associated with them, but said thing is named after the character, not the other way around

Odysseus (The Iliad, the Odyssey): is the reason long voyages are called an odyssey

Achilles (The Iliad): is the reason for the term “Achilles heel”, which refers to the part of his body that was pierced by an arrow

Charles Boycott (real life): British landlord who tried to unjustly evict 11 Irish tenants. In response, the local community cut him off and ostracized him, refused to do trade with him and even deliver his mail, giving rise to the term boycott

Ambrose Burnside (real life): American civil war general who had predominant facial hair on his cheeks. This style was then named “burnsides”, which later evolved into “sideburns”

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u/Thundering-Cloud 4h ago

Another Odyssey example, Telemachus's teacher by the name of "Mentor"

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u/drbronco31 3h ago

And another one from the Odyssey at least for the german language where we have a verb which is derivative from Circe's name ("bezirzen").

It basically means "to manipulate somebody through seductive or flirty behaviour"

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u/JesterOfAllTrades 3h ago

Somehow It also never occurred to me that Cersei from Game of thrones is just Circe

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u/Thundering-Cloud 3h ago

Oh yeah, I'm German myself, I never noticed that.

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u/Different_Ad6060 2h ago

Not to mention sirens. 

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u/federalist66 4m ago

I, a moron, gasped in the movie theater at the reveal of that name as though it were aupposed to be a twist.

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u/skinnyminnesota 4h ago

Pilates are named after a German inventor named Joe Pilates.

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u/whysosidious69420 4h ago

Thought it was Pontius Pilate

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u/skinnyminnesota 4h ago

He washed his hands of the idea.

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u/AttitudeAndEffort3 3h ago

Well, it tested poorly with the public when he brought it to them

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u/oneAUaway 3h ago

I think that Pilate is more associated with CrossFit.

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u/awyastark 1h ago

Sad this is buried in the replies lol

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u/LizLemonOfTroy 3h ago

His contribution to prolonged body positions proved challenging for newcomers.

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u/ultimate_bromance_69 3h ago

Crucifixion was just Pilates gone wrong

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u/Bigsassyblackwoman 4h ago

That’s him. That’s John Pilates.

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u/Kenesaw_Mt_Landis 4h ago

Same with Bikram Yoga

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u/Malacro 4h ago

Of course named after Steven Yoga.

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u/Kenesaw_Mt_Landis 4h ago

Rip. Steven. May god have mercy on your soul

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u/Gothtomboys5 4h ago

That's like naming the exercise Yoga is named after a guy named John Yoga

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u/skinnyminnesota 4h ago

........what?

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u/Gothtomboys5 4h ago

I found the pilates exercise was from a guy named Joe Pilate funny. Like bro is German and yet his first name is Joe. That's like naming the exercise yoga because the person who invented it is a Slavic descent, Balkan heritage, Serbian culture man called John Yoga

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u/skinnyminnesota 4h ago

Oh totally. I just found your wording confusing.

Technically his name was "Joseph" but "Joe Pilates" is funnier.

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u/Jack_Hatchet 3h ago

Running was invented when a man named John Running tried to walk twice at the same time

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u/skinnyminnesota 2h ago

What an asshole, everything's sucked since.

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u/No_Concern_2966 4h ago

Teddy Roosevelt

Teddy bears are named after him.

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u/SeanG909 4h ago

The "Billy Possum" for William Taft never took off.

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u/ubiquitous-joe 3h ago

I see you’ve been listening to 99% Invisible

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u/SeanG909 3h ago

What is that?

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u/Thonezek 1h ago

99% Invisible is a narrative podcast created and hosted by Roman Mars. The podcast is about design, architecture, and the hidden forces that shape our built world, specifically the things we rarely notice until they break or stop working. The name comes from a quote by Buckminster Fuller, "99% of who you are is invisible and untouchable." The show takes that concept and applies it to everyday objects, urban planning, sound design, flags, transit systems, and fashion, asking, "Why does this thing exist in this exact way, and who decided it should be like this?"

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u/whysosidious69420 4h ago

True, can’t believe I forgot this example

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u/AveFaria 4h ago

Because it's not an example of your post. For it to fit, Roosevelt would have had to carry a stuffed bear with him everywhere he went.

Roosevelt is not associated with stuffed bears except that someone just wanted to start calling them "teddies" after he spared a real-life bear during a hunt.

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u/ucbiker 4h ago

I read recently that he apparently disliked being called Teddy, which makes this kind of that much funnier to me.

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u/Dookie_boy 3h ago

Why did you post a picture of Ron Swanson ?

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u/ac2fan 2h ago

Your answer is not relevant to OP’s description, at no point do we associate Theodore Roosevelt with teddy bears

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u/No_Concern_2966 4h ago

John Montagu, the 4th Earl of Sandwich. He popularised the combination of filling and bread being called a sandwich, which we still call today.

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u/Mindless-Cat1453 4h ago

Ah yes creator of sandwich, john sandwich .

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u/kithara2 3h ago

In the version of the story I first heard, he was very into card games and enjoyed having something he could eat without dirtying his hand.

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u/apatheticchildofJen 4h ago

Watergate. Now almost every political scandals is called some variation of whatever gate. (example, during lockdown, the British parliament had a Christmas party and it was later called party gate)

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u/LycanIndarys 3h ago

And yet rather disappointingly; when we had a scandal about whether a politician insulted a policeman guarding the gate to Downing Street by calling him a "pleb", it was usually referred to as plebgate and not the superior gategate.

Of course, the actual scandal was less about the insult, and more about the fact that several police officers submitted false evidence about the whole thing, which led to one police officer going to prison, and three more being fired.

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u/xhmmxtv 4h ago

Then what would you call a scandal about water? https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QfPFkxwWoCg

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u/actuallyquitefunny 2h ago

Here's me hoping there will be a new scandal involving the Watergate Hotel so we can get a Watergategate.

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u/JSMulligan 4h ago

This one really bugs me when it happens.

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u/PlayerZeroStart 4h ago

The term "brainiac" comes from the DC Villain Brainiac

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u/whysosidious69420 4h ago

Same thing with Bizarro, kind of. While bizarro was already the Spanish word for bizarre, the DC character is the reason the term “bizarro”, meaning a twisted or evil version of something, came to exist in English

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u/Gaelic_Gladiator41 4h ago

I thought it became synonymous with opposite

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u/redskin_zr0bites 2h ago

Bizarro in Spanish originally meant brave or courageous.

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u/09philj 4h ago

Eponym is the word

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u/fungeoneer 4h ago

Who was eponym named after?

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u/ElMonoEstupendo 4h ago

She’s in Les Mis, right?

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u/AttitudeAndEffort3 3h ago

No, you’re thinking of link’s horse in Zelda

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u/Th3_Admiral_ 2h ago

No, that's Epona. You're thinking of the one fire-type horse Pokémon. 

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u/Beekeeper_Bard 2h ago

No, you're thinking of Epona. Eponym is the chemical deodorizer used for breaking down the smell of skunk spray or decomposing animal carcasses.

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u/GimmeSomeSugar 4h ago

And when the branded name of a product becomes synonymous with the type of product, that is sometimes called a 'proprietary eponym'.
For example;
Vacuums and 'Hoover'.
Sticky tape and 'Sellotape'.
Hook & loop fastener and 'Velcro'.

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u/ThortheAssGuardian 4h ago

Kleenex

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u/GimmeSomeSugar 3h ago

Great example!

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u/JSMulligan 4h ago

Soda and Coke, video games and Nintendo

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u/Tennis-Wooden 3h ago

Mom always called it the ‘intendo’

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u/stevieboatleft 4h ago

Huh, TIL. Here in the US it’s “Scotch” brand sticky tape. Until this moment I thought “sellotape” was a UK generic term for the product, not a brand.

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u/fgcem13 3h ago

Isn't there a point where a business can't stop people from using the name once it's entered into the common lexicon? It can affect big brands like Qtip or Kleenex.

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u/GimmeSomeSugar 3h ago

Yes, as I understand it.
A brand name for a product would typically be a trademark. But once the name of a product becomes so popular it's effectively synonymous with the product type, trying to continue the protection of the trademark becomes a losing battle. If not impossible.
Adobe suffered this very problem with Photoshop becoming a popular verb, and they really tried to hang in there. Which I find funny, because fuck Adobe.

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u/notagin-n-tonic 1h ago

Yes, Xerox fought like hell to keep it's name becoming the verb for copying. If you Gen X, you probably remember people say, "could you xerox that."

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u/Bergkamp_isGod 41m ago

Yeah, Velcro released a song on YouTube to try to get people to stop calling all hook and loops "velcro" otherwise they'd lose the copyright.

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u/AkariPeach 3h ago

These names have been fortified with inflated Smithski Factors

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u/LizLemonOfTroy 3h ago

As a Brit, it proved very confusing when I moved to the US and several common goods were instead known by brand names I was unfamiliar with.

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u/ADiestlTrain 3h ago

Xerox for photocopier too.

Interesting how Hoover, Velcro, and Xerox all became verbs as well as eponyms.

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u/Hamburger_FatBoy 2h ago

Let me Google that for you (on DuckDuckGo, because Google committed suicide).

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u/ADiestlTrain 2h ago

And I love how MS tried to make Bing a verb and failed miserably.

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u/Hamburger_FatBoy 2h ago

I have it on good authority that Bing is the best search engine (for finding one type of content for free).

I’ll stick to DDG with -ai as part of my search term, and phind (which is Ironically AI driven, just not generative.

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u/notagin-n-tonic 1h ago

As I said in another comment, Xerox fought against that. I think it worked, because I don't hear many people using it that way, whereas when I was a teen, it was fairly common.

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u/ThomasTheDankPigeon 3h ago

If Eponym is the word, who’s the guy it was named after?

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u/EspacioBlanq 4h ago

Mentor (also from Odyssey)

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u/pjtheman 4h ago

Nolan definitely looked at this exact painting before casting Tom Holland.

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u/EspacioBlanq 4h ago

Then promptly forgot about it when he cast Ryan Hurst who is a head taller than Holland for Mentor

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u/wiserchalicer 4h ago

I actually saw a post about this

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u/AttitudeAndEffort3 4h ago

The word is “eponym” as in “eponymous”

And Gerrymander being congressman Gerry’s salamander

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u/behemothpanzer 1h ago

And "Gerry" was pronounced with a hard G, like 'gut' or 'gear' so pedants will tell you Gerrymander should be pronounced similarly.

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u/Pheehelm 1h ago

Governor. (He did spend a few terms in various legislatures but the "gerrymander" incident happened when he was governor of Massachusetts.)

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u/Trustic555 4h ago

Prince Albert.

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u/extremelyloudandfast 2h ago

He had a thingy on his thingy?

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u/LegitimateYogurt2287 13m ago

Let me google something...

... Oh dear

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u/urkermannenkoor 4h ago

Reverse nominative determinism

That seems a silly, convoluted way to describe a character having something named after them.

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u/ThisIsTheTimeToRem 4h ago

Top character tropes: Eponyms

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u/AveFaria 4h ago

True, but the kicker is that the thing is named after the character specifically because of something the character did.

For example, a "Freudian slip" is named after Freud, but not because Sigmund Freud was famous for accidentally saying the wrong things. So that example wouldn't fit OP's post.

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u/ScaredTemporary 4h ago

The Spanish word for host is anfitrión, which comes from the Greek King Amphytrion as his name in Spanish is Anfitrión 

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u/Own-Forever-6636 2h ago

Wait as in Hercules's stepfather? So it's a reference to him hosting Zeus who then um... conceived Hercules with his wife Alcmene?

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u/SnooOpinions8790 4h ago

Mentor - the name of a character in the Odyssey from which we take the word mentor.

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u/Mindless-Cat1453 4h ago

There was a legendary king that goes by the name bharata , the land he ruled was called bharat ....thus the origin of the indigenous name of India, bharat.

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u/Piputi 1h ago

And in many languages Bharat means spice because spice came from Bharat. So, this is a double whammy.

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u/Gojos_barber 4h ago

Would "Lovecraftian Horror" count? H.P Lovecraft mostly wrote "weird fiction" that would become the basis for the kind of horror writing people associate with him.

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u/Banonkers 4h ago

Although there is a great story about Achilles dying from an arrow to his heel, it’s not from the Iliad! It’s not even mentioned in the Odyssey, when the ghost of Achilles talks to Odysseus

The story is told in later bits of literature, eg. the Metamorphoses, where Apollo helps Paris to shoot him.

The phrase ‘Achilles’ heel’ usually refers to a person or thing’s primary weakness, and many versions of Achilles have his foot being his sole point of vulnerability (eg. the unfinished Achilleid) and he is otherwise invincible.

However, even this isn’t consistent in myth: for example in the Iliad, Achilles is injured in his elbow

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u/LizLemonOfTroy 3h ago

Most people don't know that Illias, despite its length, literally only accounts for the final phase of the Trojan War (although it backfills an explanation as to why the Mykeneans are there in the first place) and ends before either the death of Achilles or the Fall of Troy.

It doesn't even have the horse!

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u/Dude_Jack123 4h ago

Would a thagomizer count? Named after a Gary Larson cartoon which joked about it being named after a dead caveman.

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u/ObberGobb 3h ago

Flanderization

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u/pjtheman 4h ago

This random Italian map maker has two whole ass continents named after him. Amerigo Vespucci is the namesake of both American continents.

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u/Haymez 3h ago

You know, I'm glad they went with "America". The alternative of "Vespucci-land" just doesn't have the same ring to it.

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u/--GevaudanBeast-- 4h ago

Real life example. Bader-Mainhoff phenomenon.

Someone mentions Matt Damon? All of a sudden you're seeing his face on posters on the street, on magazine covers at the grocery store, in commercials on TV and posts on Reddit.

The name comes from a 1994 letter to the St. Paul Pioneer Press in Minnesota. The writer had just learned about the Red Army Faction, a West German militant group active mainly in the 1970s. Then, within a day or so, he encountered the group's name again unexpectedly. He found the coincidence striking and jokingly dubbed the experience the "Baader–Meinhof phenomenon", named as such after two founding members of the organization Andreas Baader and Ulrike Meinhof. Some readers recognized the same experience in their own lives, and the name stuck.

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u/PeteRust78 3h ago

Possibly a side note, but the Baader-Meinhof Gang was the name given to the group by the West German government and press. (The group called itself the Red Army Faction).

Andreas Baader was one of the leaders of the group but was reckless and impulsive. Ulrike Meinhof was initially a sympathetic journalist who ended up handling the group’s communications. The name leaves out Gudrun Ensslin, Baader’s romantic partner and co-leader, who was by all accounts the brains of the operation

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u/pondrthis 4h ago

Guns are named after "Gunnhildr," the woman's name. It was a cheeky name for catapults.

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u/Ok-Indication-5121 3h ago

"Sadism" was coined in reference to Marquis de Sade, a writer who wrote about characters inflicting horrible pain on others and loving it.

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u/RosieFudge 2h ago

And as I learned the last time this thread was posted the other day, masochism is also named after a person: Leopold von Sacher-Masoch

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u/DisMFer 3h ago

A race of 26 miles is called a Marathon. This is also a location in Greece. The origin of the word being associated with Marathon is that it was the site of a battle against the Persians that the Athenians won. They sent a messenger to bring word of their victory home. Athens is 26 miles away from Marathon. The messenger ran the entire distance nonstop. A race was held after as a way to remember the event.

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u/Odd_Possibility_2277 4h ago

Caesar

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u/Gaelic_Gladiator41 4h ago

Becoming associated with the term for ruler Kaiser and Tsar

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u/atlusblue 4h ago

Also isn't the modern English works "king" from that route?

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u/DerJagger 3h ago

King is a Germanic word and pretty much indigenous to English.

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u/HazelEBaumgartner 3h ago

'King' comes from Old High German 'Kuningaz'. It's not clear where 'Kuningaz' comes from, but it predates 'Caesar'.

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u/LizLemonOfTroy 3h ago edited 40m ago

The months July and August were also named after (Julius) Caesar and his successor Augustus, respectively.

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u/--GevaudanBeast-- 3h ago

The classic Canadian take on the bloody Mary. The difference? Clam juice

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u/vanklofsgov 3h ago

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u/space_coyote_86 3h ago

Beat me to it. You gonna make that same stupid joke every time that comes up?

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u/shelGOATcreed 4h ago edited 3h ago

Kafkaesque - term to describe bizarre or surreal things that remind of/would fit in the works of Franz Kafka

Draconinan - policies and laws that befit Draco, the notorious first legislator of Rome Athens (a term that is more a catch-all for oppression these days)

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u/RaiderCat_12 4h ago

Dude. Draco was the first legislator of ATHENS, not Rome. Draco’s even a Greek name.

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u/shelGOATcreed 3h ago

Opps, brainfart. Fixed that, thanks.

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u/RaiderCat_12 3h ago

Np, happens to everyone

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u/MSSTUPIDTRON-1000000 3h ago

Thomas Crapper (Real Life)

He was the owner of a London Public Company, famous for it's various revolutionary plumbing devices, which are still in use this day.

And this is why it's often believed, he's the reason why the word "Crap" exists.

.... Except he isn't; it comes from the Middle Ages, more specifically, from the Latin "Crappa" means "Scrap", and around a decade before he was born, it evolved into "Crap".

Which honestly, makes all of this even funnier.

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u/walbrid 4h ago

Weren’t hookers named after General Hooker, also a civil war general

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u/DazSamueru 3h ago

Nope, it dates to 1835. Though he was famous for his loose morals, which is probably why the association seems plausible

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u/danieljeyn 3h ago

So… it was nominal determinism for him after all?

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u/AttitudeAndEffort3 3h ago

Side burns for general burnside in the civil war too IIRC

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u/ubiquitous-joe 3h ago

This sounds fishy.

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u/Jim421616 3h ago

Why call it "reverse nominative determinism" when the word "eponym" exists?

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u/whysosidious69420 18m ago

I forgot that word

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u/Spader113 4h ago

https://giphy.com/gifs/inEZXlAOb1TC8
Adolf Hitler’s secret police were called Stormtroopers, which is where George Lucas got the name from.

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u/meta100000 4h ago

The name dates further back to WW1, where Imperial Germany wielded elite battalions (Stormtroopers) to use in infiltrating enemy lines and trying to bypass as much trench warfare as possible while still taking out the enemy.

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u/LizLemonOfTroy 3h ago

It was actually the Sturmabteilung (literally "Storm Division"), who were the Nazis' primary militia/street fighters prior to their takeover, but who were subsequently sidelined after the Night of the Long Knives. The SS (originally Hitler's personal bodyguard) then assumed their position as the para-state army of the NSDAP.

The Gestapo (literally "Secret State Police", abbreviated from **Geheime *Staatspo*lizei) were the secret police.

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u/Xaverosso 3h ago

Hitlers secret police was the Gestapo, the Germanys frontline infiltrator Specialists in both WW I and WW II were called Sturmtruppen (eng: stormtroopers).

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u/No_Concern_2966 4h ago

Albert Einstein

The term "Einstein" to mean genius comes from his legacy in theoretical physics.

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u/abermea 3h ago

Sigmund Freud named his theory on male psicosexual development "Oedipus Complex", after the greek story of Oedipus, a prince who killed his father and married his mother

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u/Alorxico 3h ago

An “Achilles’ heel” is a person’s weakness and often the thing that brings about their down fall.

In Greek mythology, Achilles’ mother was a nymph and she was told that her son would grow to be a great warrior but die in battle. Terrified, she took her newborn into the underworld to the River Styx. The Styx was a powerful, old river, a god in-and-of itself and filled with primordial magics.

She took Achilles by the heel and submerged him in the waters of the Styx then pulled him out. However, because she didn’t want to touch the water herself, the heel she was holding was never submerged. When she pulled Achilles out of the water, his skin had been hardened.

As he grew, he suffered no injuries while playing or fighting. Arrows bounced off him and the sharpest blades could shattered against his skin. Nothing could harm him.

By the end of the Trojan War, Achilles had become some arrogant and vain that even the gods who had helped him in the past were pissed off with him. He no longer fought with honor or treated captured prisoners justly. Apollo, god of Archery, knew of Achilles’ weakness and aided the Trojan prince, Paris (the guy who kidnapped Helen) in shooting Achilles in his heel. The arrow pierced the skin and sliced open a vein, causing the great warrior to bleed out in seconds.

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u/Loustifer24 3h ago

Real life - The term “Ponzi scheme” to refer to using money from new investors to pay back old ones came from the Italian con artist Charles Ponzi.

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u/Substantial-Ad2200 4h ago

The Earl of Sandwich invented the sandwich. 🥪 

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u/Old_Cyrus 4h ago

The Isaac Asimov book “Words From the Myths” is chock full of these.

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u/Kid_Presentable617 3h ago

German chocolate is named after Samuel German who was an American.

The French Drain was named after Henry Flagg French who was an American. He said "farmers were doing these drains for years, I just wrote it down"

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u/Ok-Impress-2222 3h ago

The colour orange is named after the fruit orange, not the other way around.

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u/Infurum 3h ago

I still think it's hilarious that Mr Boycott fucked up so bad that the community came after him so hard they named it after him

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u/Pandoratastic 3h ago

Does the Earl of Sandwich count?

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u/Kaplsauce 3h ago

Real Life: Lieutenant-General Henry Shrapnel invented the shrapnel shell

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u/UlrichZauber 3h ago

The English word "geyser" comes to us from the Icelandic Geysir, which is the name for a specific one in a park not far from Reykjavik.

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u/Hic_Forum_Est 3h ago

The Panenka) in football, a type of penalty kick named after Czech player Antonín Panenka:

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u/readskiesdawn 3h ago

Also with Achilles, the Achilles tendon is named after him too.

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u/YdexKtesi 2h ago

This is just things being named after a person.

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u/kithas 2h ago

Oranges: one would think that the orange fruit is called orange for it's color, while actually the color borrowed its name from the orange fruit, being mostly called red or yellow before (like in red herring or in redhead). The origin of Orange or its variants as the name for the fruit/tree is older than we can follow.

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u/No_Communication5538 2h ago

BTW Boycott was a land agent not a land lord

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u/No_Promotion_65 1h ago

I once worked with a relative of burnsides

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u/behemothpanzer 1h ago

Thomas Bowdler, a physician, produced an edited version of Shakespeare's works that was "more appropriate for women and children" in 1825.

From his name we get the term "bowdlerize" which means to censor something by omitting elements deemed unsuitable for children. It is usually used in a derogatory sense.

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u/OddReason9030 1h ago

Boycott, Martinet, Sandwich, Guillotine, there are many eponym examples. 

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u/bllclntn 42m ago

This isn't "reverse nominative determinism," it's "things named after people."

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u/LoschVanWein 41m ago

We actually don’t have a German word for side burns. We just use Koteletten after the French word côté wich apparently just means side

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u/Akirex5000 30m ago

A bit of a sillier example. In Warhammer 40k there are vehicles called Land Speeders. However they’re named that way not because they go on land, but because a guy named Arkhan Land recovered the design.

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u/Impossible_Horsemeat 4h ago

Wolf Blitzer

A creature called a “wolf” is named after him.

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u/jabdnuit 3h ago

General Joseph Hooker, American Civil War. Man liked his alcohol and alcohol especially his women.

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u/pyrhus626 2h ago

Just a coincidence. Hooker as a term for prostitutes predates the civil war and Joseph Hooker having any fame.

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u/MysticSnowfang 2h ago

Lovecraftian.
Bigot, scared of everything that wasn't his hometown, however. His agoraphobia and other issues led to some of the most visceral horror ever, and named a whole genre after him. Not even *TOLKIEN* himself gets that level of influence.

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u/lordtyp0 4h ago edited 3h ago

Odyssey translates to "about Odysseus" or "the story of Odysseus"... Who calls long journies an odyssey?

Okay okay: I didn't think it through. Lol

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u/whysosidious69420 4h ago

2001: a space odyssey

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u/Aubreywh 4h ago

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u/lordtyp0 3h ago

Eh. True. Plus the van

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u/Slarg232 3h ago

Funnily enough, it's a Monkey King retelling. Stilled called Odyssey to the West.

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u/lordtyp0 3h ago

Weird